OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

[Mike Liut]

I’d be ok with resigning Flaherty for the right price. We just cant go into 2024 with Mikolas and Flaherty as 1-2. They are more like 3-4. We need a 1 and a 2 to be contenders and a couple more top end bullpen guys.

 

[Memento]

f*** every Chicago team. Yes, I'm even including the Bears and the Bulls - and my Rams don't have the Bears as a rival, and I don't have an NBA team.

 

[Mike Liut]

I hope the rumor is true about Arenado. I’d easily move him for a package of young pitchers from the Dodgers.

 

[TheDizee]

I hope the rumor is true about Arenado. I’d easily move him for a package of young pitchers from the Dodgers.

whats the rumor? i have tuned the birds out for months since ownership doesnt give a shit, i wont either.

 

[PJJJP]

Lololololol. This has been a really amusing trade deadline

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Lololololol. This has been a really amusing trade deadline

"Helsley is upset about his arbitration"

Helsley "says f***ing who?"

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think all players hate the arbitration process, but understand the business aspects of it.

 

[Mike Liut]

whats the rumor? i have tuned the birds out for months since ownership doesnt give a shit, i wont either.

Coming from the LA times. Cards and Dodgers are in talks for Arenado

 

[Mike Liut]

I’d trade Arenado, Goldy and Hicks and acquire as much top end young starting pitching as possible. You can’t win in this league without it.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Arenado isn't getting traded. And I doubt Goldy gets traded either.

 

[Mike Liut]

Arenado isn't getting traded. And I doubt Goldy gets traded either.

I’d rather have Gorman at 3B and 2-3 of the Dodgers top pitching prospects than Arenado. And we’d save 35 mill per year. No brainer. Goldy too. We haven’t done anything with them yet. We are a top 5 basement team right now. You win with pitching

 

[sfvega]

Arenado isn't getting traded. And I doubt Goldy gets traded either.

You're probably right, and it's a shame. Not on Arenado, but Goldy is a prime piece to move given the price, the contract, the age, and our young hitters. He could bring a haul and we need it, especially on the mound.

 

[542365]

It didn’t go the Cards way, but that ending was one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. Walk off homers are awesome, but walk off robbing a home run is even cooler.

 

[TheDizee]

The more they lose, the better. hopefully this leads to managerial and front office changes. People gotta stop filling the seats.

I havent watched in forever.

 

[Mike Liut]

The more they lose, the better. hopefully this leads to managerial and front office changes. People gotta stop filling the seats.

I havent watched in forever.

Lose every game. Top 5 pick and fire Mo and hire real baseball people.

 

[joe galiba]

there seems to be a subset of fans who have a short term view of things
16 seasons for Mo, and this will be the first losing one, 10 post seasons in 16 years
the Dodgers have 12, the Yankees have 11 and the Red Sox have 5
in spite of having way less revenue than the three richest teams, the Cardinals have had a fairly similar success profile as those teams under Mo, the scorn is quite uncalled for

now saying that, coaches and GM’s eventual run their course with a team, even Tom Landry had a losing record his last three years, so maybe it is time for the Cardinals to move in a different direction, but acting like Mo is horrid and worthless certainly doesn’t reflect reality and is quite the knee jerk reaction

 

[PJJJP]

Burleson getting robbed of a walk off homerun makes complete sense in this mess of a season

 

[joe galiba]

Burleson getting robbed of a walk off homerun makes complete sense in this mess of a season

on a bell curve for 50/50 plays, we are like 4 standard deviations on the negative side of outcomes

 

[Mike Liut]

there seems to be a subset of fans who have a short term view of things
16 seasons for Mo, and this will be the first losing one, 10 post seasons in 16 years
the Dodgers have 12, the Yankees have 11 and the Red Sox have 5
in spite of having way less revenue than the three richest teams, the Cardinals have had a fairly similar success profile as those teams under Mo, the scorn is quite uncalled for

now saying that, coaches and GM’s eventual run their course with a team, even Tom Landry had a losing record his last three years, so maybe it is time for the Cardinals to move in a different direction, but acting like Mo is horrid and worthless certainly doesn’t reflect reality and is quite the knee jerk reaction

When is the last time the Cards have won a playoffs series? They’ve benefited from playing in a terrible division

 

[joe galiba]

When is the last time the Cards have won a playoffs series? They’ve benefited from playing in a terrible division

philly has won 2 series since 2011
the yankees have won 4
boston has won 7
dodgers have won 10
sf has won 6
cubs have won 5
angels have won 0
braves have won 4
mets have won 2
those are the 9 teams worth more than the cards
the cards have won 8 series in that time frame, so only the dodgers have won more postseason series than the cardinals in the last 12 years
somehow that doesn’t scream to me ownership and management sucks

 

[Mike Liut]

philly has won 2 series since 2011
the yankees have won 4
boston has won 7
dodgers have won 10
sf has won 6
cubs have won 5
angels have won 0
braves have won 4
mets have won 2
those are the 9 teams worth more than the cards
the cards have won 8 series in that time frame, so only the dodgers have won more postseason series than the cardinals in the last 12 years
somehow that doesn’t scream to me ownership and management sucks

we are trending in the wrong direction and fast. whatever they are doing isn’t working. we are currently a bottom 5 team with 2 starting pitchers signed for next year, Mikolas and Matz. One is a 3 the other is a 5. Also have an aging and declining 1B who’ll be a 37 UFA after next year. I really don’t see any hope in this team for several years.

 

[Spear]

philly has won 2 series since 2011
the yankees have won 4
boston has won 7
dodgers have won 10
sf has won 6
cubs have won 5
angels have won 0
braves have won 4
mets have won 2
those are the 9 teams worth more than the cards
the cards have won 8 series in that time frame, so only the dodgers have won more postseason series than the cardinals in the last 12 years
somehow that doesn’t scream to me ownership and management sucks

an excerpt from a recent Bernie Miklasz article: "34 postseason victories in the first eight years (under Mozeliak) to only four in the last eight seasons … wow."

If you want to read the article: Bernie's Redbird Review: The Pressure Is On John Mozeliak, And His Legacy Is At Stake. - Scoops

 

[joe galiba]

an excerpt from a recent Bernie Miklasz article: "34 postseason victories in the first eight years (under Mozeliak) to only four in the last eight seasons … wow."

If you want to read the article: Bernie's Redbird Review: The Pressure Is On John Mozeliak, And His Legacy Is At Stake. - Scoops

I never read Bernie, he is complete scum and when he was fired it made me quite happy, he took great pleasure in helping to run Kurt Warner out of town for Martz in exchange for exclusive scoops from Martz, he disparaged Warners religious beliefs, he mocked Matheny all the time, in both case he later wrote positive pieces, just the opposite of how he portrayed it while they were still in st louis
he is a worthless, supersized sack of monkey shit

saying that, just from the headline, if a franchise is super successful for a period of time, it is always going to come back to the pack, at least for a while, it is inevitable as you will simply not have the same access to the young incoming talent as other franchises

 

[TheDizee]

there seems to be a subset of fans who have a short term view of things
16 seasons for Mo, and this will be the first losing one, 10 post seasons in 16 years
the Dodgers have 12, the Yankees have 11 and the Red Sox have 5
in spite of having way less revenue than the three richest teams, the Cardinals have had a fairly similar success profile as those teams under Mo, the scorn is quite uncalled for

now saying that, coaches and GM’s eventual run their course with a team, even Tom Landry had a losing record his last three years, so maybe it is time for the Cardinals to move in a different direction, but acting like Mo is horrid and worthless certainly doesn’t reflect reality and is quite the knee jerk reaction

they havent been relevant in a decade outside of a fluke 2015 which had pitching that was an anomaly and carried them that season.

dumpster diving nonstop and the elitism thinking that they and their ways of running things are better than everyone else. they have like 4 postseason wins in the past 8 years or some shit like that.

 

[joe galiba]

they havent been relevant in a decade outside of a fluke 2015 which had pitching that was an anomaly and carried them that season.

dumpster diving nonstop and the elitism thinking that they and their ways of running things are better than everyone else. they have like 4 postseason wins in the past 8 years or some shit like that.

and no one else does either, the whole point of my post, the f-ing yankees have all of 4 series wins in the last 12 years, only the dodgers have more series wins than the cardinals over the last 12 years
that isn’t a sign of a bad franchise
the Braves have 4 series wins in the last 12 years, and 3 of the came in one year when they won the WS
they are doing great now, but they had a brutal four years before they got better again

the Cardinals have been very successful over the last couple of decades; the but, but, but we aren’t great the last couple of years! — this sure seems like unwarranted, and unrealistic entitlement