OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

[Bluesnatic27]

I don't think Marmol has handled this well unless there is more to the story than running the base paths.

O'Neill has never been one to loaf regardless of his faults.

 

[542365]

I don't think Marmol has handled this well unless there is more to the story than running the base paths.

O'Neill has never been one to loaf regardless of his faults.

Honestly it’s been the opposite. Sometimes he goes too hard and gets himself injured. O’Neill sounds pretty pissed. Wouldn’t be shocked to see him dealt seeing as we have a surplus of outfielders, but his value can’t get much lower than it is right now.

 

[joe galiba]

Glad skip is getting a years experience at manager for next year

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Pitching looks great Mo!

 

[TheDizee]

Pitching looks great Mo!

"its only game 6"
"its only april"
"its not even the all star break, give them time!"

when you dumpster dive, you almost always get what you pay for. The Blues learned that this year and the Cardinals have done this for legit over 2 decades.

This starting pitching is nowhere close to championship caliber. They have the benefit of playing in the weakest division in baseball but since they wont be playing as many games this year inside the division, they are going to find out the hard way just how awful the rotation is. Wait until Flaherty gets hurt or all his walks start coming back to burn him and Waino's dead arm is back. This rotation is a legitimate dumpster fire with no front end talent at all seeing as Flaherty is a shell of his former self.

The best thing this team could do is trade both Hicks and Oneill for SP before both of their values plummet.

 

[joe galiba]

after the Cardinals worked with O'Neill in the offseason to keep him healthy, his sprint speed in 2022 was 29.8 and was 27.8 this year
his sprint speed was at 28.0 on the run to home
from contact until the throw made it to the catcher was 6.3 seconds
he flat out should not have been sent
Oli should be embarrassed at how he has handled himself

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

"its only game 6"
"its only april"
"its not even the all star break, give them time!"

when you dumpster dive, you almost always get what you pay for. The Blues learned that this year and the Cardinals have done this for legit over 2 decades.

This starting pitching is nowhere close to championship caliber. They have the benefit of playing in the weakest division in baseball but since they wont be playing as many games this year inside the division, they are going to find out the hard way just how awful the rotation is. Wait until Flaherty gets hurt or all his walks start coming back to burn him and Waino's dead arm is back. This rotation is a legitimate dumpster fire with no front end talent at all seeing as Flaherty is a shell of his former self.

The best thing this team could do is trade both Hicks and Oneill for SP before both of their values plummet.

I’m all for sample size and whatnot, but even Stevie Wonder saw this coming

 

[bleedblue1223]

Pitching sucks, but I love at 46 seconds in, Waino tells Walker to take his curtain call.

 

[Memento]

Congrats to Jordan for his first big league homer! May it be the first of very many.

 

[BrokenFace]

During the off-season, after some of the bigger signings, I asked in this thread if the Cardinals will have a smaller payroll in 2023 than they did in 2022. I was told there was zero chance of that happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but our payroll is about $10 million less now than it was last year. I guess I'll be wrong if we finally make that big in season trade we've been talking about for years.

Not to be too pessimistic, but I made the same prediction for this team leading into the last 2 or 3 seasons: they play in the worst or 2nd worst division in baseball, they'll either win it or make the playoffs as a wildcard, they have a 50/50 shot in the playoffs if matched up against another good team, they will get completely out classed in a matchup against a real contender, and our bats going quiet will be a huge reason why we're eliminated. You can count this as my prediction for 2024 too.

I don't even blame Mo. He's got a good team but how can he improve it without the owners spending more?

I still like watching and following this team, and I'm buying into the young hitters, but I'm not expecting memorable playoff runs until something big happens with this roster. Mixed results is just what this team is designed to deliver right now.

 

[TheDizee]

With 2 top end starters (either an ace and a middle of rotation or two #2 types) this team has a legitimate shot at a championship.

Until that happens, they will be a .500 baseball team that will have to outslug the other team every night. Good pitching will always beat good hitting too, they have zero shot at doing damage unless they make moves to the rotation.

That Matz signing will be as idiotic as Mo's signing of Leake and Brett Cecil. Guy is the most clueless GM with the best job security in American. Should have been fired in 2016 or 2017. Instead they promoted him lmao.

 

[bleedblue1223]

During the off-season, after some of the bigger signings, I asked in this thread if the Cardinals will have a smaller payroll in 2023 than they did in 2022. I was told there was zero chance of that happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but our payroll is about $10 million less now than it was last year. I guess I'll be wrong if we finally make that big in season trade we've been talking about for years.

Not to be too pessimistic, but I made the same prediction for this team leading into the last 2 or 3 seasons: they play in the worst or 2nd worst division in baseball, they'll either win it or make the playoffs as a wildcard, they have a 50/50 shot in the playoffs if matched up against another good team, they will get completely out classed in a matchup against a real contender, and our bats going quiet will be a huge reason why we're eliminated. You can count this as my prediction for 2024 too.

I don't even blame Mo. He's got a good team but how can he improve it without the owners spending more?

I still like watching and following this team, and I'm buying into the young hitters, but I'm not expecting memorable playoff runs until something big happens with this roster. Mixed results is just what this team is designed to deliver right now.

Payroll is up, you just have to be careful on comparing numbers to previous seasons since MLB payroll numbers can be complicated depending on how they are reported.

Deconstructing the Cardinals Offseason (with Payroll Updates & Rankings)

 

[BrokenFace]

Payroll is up, you just have to be careful on comparing numbers to previous seasons since MLB payroll numbers can be complicated depending on how they are reported.

Deconstructing the Cardinals Offseason (with Payroll Updates & Rankings)

I appreciate that. MLB payrolls are something I'm definitely not as experienced in as I am with NHL spending.

 

[542365]

Cards got swept after facing the Braves #5, 6, and 7 starters. There is a HUGE gap between the two teams.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

after the Cardinals worked with O'Neill in the offseason to keep him healthy, his sprint speed in 2022 was 29.8 and was 27.8 this year
his sprint speed was at 28.0 on the run to home
from contact until the throw made it to the catcher was 6.3 seconds
he flat out should not have been sent
Oli should be embarrassed at how he has handled himself

Thank you for posting some numbers. I was surprised to hear Oli go off so hard, especially this early in the season. O'Neill has never been one to have seemingly dogged it, so it was especially interesting. When looking at the play on tape, it DOES look like O'Neill has an, "Oh shit," moment where he looks to turn on the jets.

Overall though, he's one of our fastest players and he was still out by a f***ing mile. I learned playing MLB the Show...you don't run on Judge, and you don't run on Acuna.

 

[joe galiba]

Thank you for posting some numbers. I was surprised to hear Oli go off so hard, especially this early in the season. O'Neill has never been one to have seemingly dogged it, so it was especially interesting. When looking at the play on tape, it DOES look like O'Neill has an, "Oh shit," moment where he looks to turn on the jets.

Overall though, he's one of our fastest players and he was still out by a f***ing mile. I learned playing MLB the Show...you don't run on Judge, and you don't run on Acuna.

adding to it a little

6.3 seconds is around where the very fastest MLB players run the 60, but that is a straight line measurement, cutting the corner around the base along with altering the path to make the turn would make those times slower on the baseball field, plus it was drizzling so the base would have been wet so more care would be taken hitting the base, this is offset some by the lead plus the secondary lead on the pitch making it not a full 60 yards
Trout, Trea Turner, Bobby Witt and couple of others are the fastest players in the league and they wouldn't have scored

a Canadian baseball player had more baseball sense and awareness than our manager or 3rd base coach

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Where was this from Oli last year when Yadi and Pujols were barely jogging to 1st base? f*** out of here Oli.

 

[The Note]

Not to be too pessimistic, but I made the same prediction for this team leading into the last 2 or 3 seasons: they play in the worst or 2nd worst division in baseball, they'll either win it or make the playoffs as a wildcard, they have a 50/50 shot in the playoffs if matched up against another good team, they will get completely out classed in a matchup against a real contender, and our bats going quiet will be a huge reason why we're eliminated. You can count this as my prediction for 2024 too.

You're not being pessimistic, you're correct. This (aside from the last part of course) is more or less the stated goal of the organization. Winning 90-ish games, winning a putrid division or being a wild card, then hope the ghosts of Jeff Weaver/Anthony Reyes/David Eckstein power them past teams with superior talent is what the aim is. Then an offseason where they make a big move (signing Contreas, trading for Goldy/Arenado) then proceed to spend months saying "you're welcome" while other huge holes remain in the roster. OTOH it feels silly to complain while teams like the Pirates exist, but that's not really the bar.

 

[Mike Liut]

Tink, Libby and Gracefo all look good. All 3 could be in the rotation next year. And I’m really high on Hjerpe.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Tink, Libby and Gracefo all look good. All 3 could be in the rotation next year. And I’m really high on Hjerpe.

You gonna need an antibiotic for that son.

 

[joe galiba]

You gonna need an antibiotic for that son.

I think I would change my last name

 

[Memento]

Tink, Libby and Gracefo all look good. All 3 could be in the rotation next year. And I’m really high on Hjerpe.

I still have faith in Michael McGreevy as well, and guys like Brycen Mautz, Pete Hansen, Inohan Paniagua, Max Rajcic, Connor Thomas, Austin Love, Zane Mills, and even Alec Willis (eventually) look really interesting.

 

[Allens Five Hole]

With the elimination of the shift, strikeouts from pitchers are going to become more important than ever. Something I did not value correctly going into the year was the effect of eliminating the shift having on our staff specifically.

I did not think we were going to have a good rotation at all but the fact is that our rotation is built around inducing soft contact for our gold glove defense to mop up through using analytics and defensive positioning. Now that we are limited in how the IF can lineup, I think we're up shit creek without a paddle.

Personally, I don't see any of our prospects outside of Tink Hence amounting to much of anything as a starter. Graceffo should be a serviceable MLB starter but nothing special. Hjerpe should end up in our rotation at some point too. The others, I'm not as convinced.

 

[542365]

Hopefully this is a jinx post, but Woodruff might throw a no hitter tonight. Not a single good swing against him yet.

 

[542365]

Cards giving out a Daniel Descalso bobble head? The f***? He was an absolutely dreadful player. Somehow some people thought he was like Brendan Donovan, but really he was a guy that they put at a bunch of different positions, was terrible at all of them, and couldn’t hit worth anything.