OT: Optimism in Canada

[AussieBomberJet]

Not sure how political we can get but these are not ordinary times we are about to enter. We will soon be experiencing things we have never thought possible in our lives.

It's all out economic warfare with the Yanks.

 

[KingBogo]

We agree to disagree then....

Understood...

And no matter what the U.S. does it doesn't matter what I think or you think, we are in no position to do anything about it.

Thats my point.

It's too late, you have all f'd up. I never voted in any of these coil suckers.

And, no matter what you spout, we are just all along for the ride.

Go ahead. Make my day. Be a hero.

We are in every position to do something about it. We are a sovereign country. Not Americas little bitch.

 

[castle]

My wife had never heard of Winnipeg, or Manitoba, before meeting me

Most Americans don't give Canada any thought at all. They aren't attacking anyone. They would just like to see the problems that they face within their border addressed, including poverty, homelessness and opioid crisis

The anti-American sentiment in this country existed long before the tariffs. The amount of prejudice and stereotyping going on is borderline xenophobic

Calling Canadians xenophobic in a thread where Americans are part of the discussion is pretty funny

 

[castle]

He's not asking us to "police the borders" Fentanyl is pouring over into Canada through the ports in Vancouver and then shipped across the US and Canada. Anyone notice the 3 billion dollar fine that TD Bank just paid for money laundering for the Mexican drug cartels. No offence, but you guys should move past getting your news from CBC. We are not winning a trade war with the USA and we ARE to blame for electing leaders that care more about sending money to foreign countries (more money laundering) then looking after their own people. We need someone that cares half as much as Trump cares about Americans.

Lol. A Canadian bank paid a money laundering fine... any guesses as to how many American banks have paid money laundering fines? You're buying into the Fox news rhetoric worse than the CBC shills. Canada didn't start the opioid epidemic in the US. They did that all by themselves, and pretended it was medical care.

 

[surixon]

Dw, a large number of people living in the USA well be sharing in the pain and don't want any of the bullshit that's going to happen between the two countries over the next while.

Yup, it's the consumers and workers on both sides of the borders that lose in this. Tarifs force prices up on both sides at a time when a good many people can't absorb it.

 

[KingBogo]

He's not asking us to "police the borders" Fentanyl is pouring over into Canada through the ports in Vancouver and then shipped across the US and Canada. Anyone notice the 3 billion dollar fine that TD Bank just paid for money laundering for the Mexican drug cartels. No offence, but you guys should move past getting your news from CBC. We are not winning a trade war with the USA and we ARE to blame for electing leaders that care more about sending money to foreign countries (more money laundering) then looking after their own people. We need someone that cares half as much as Trump cares about Americans.

Seriously are you really this unaware of what is happening in the world?

 

[Jets4Life]

Calling Canadians xenophobic in a thread where Americans are part of the discussion is pretty funny

I've heard this take a couple of years back, only from some internet forum member was complaining about xenophobia against people with Russian background, a year after Russia launched a full scale invasion against Ukraine. We would be fooling ourselves, if we were to say there are no parallels with what Ukraine situation (first Russian misinformation campaigns, followed by election interference, then annexing the Crimea, and finally, full scale war), and what Canadians are enduring at the present.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics some will go through to defend the aggressors. On that note, I would hope that people boycott the National Post, Sun Newspapers, Rebel News, etc. These organisations are only "Canadian" in name, but do everything humanly possible to work against Canada's best interest.

 

[Cypruss]

What is lame to you?

Booing the USA anthem means you are booooing 340 million Americans that you don’t know and have done nothing to you.

Including Kyle Connor, Connor Hellybuck, Pionk, Samberg, Apples, Iafallo. Likely a few I’m forgetting.

Classless. Boo the Canadian anthem because you don’t like what your Canadian government is doing and has done for too many years now? Is that cool too?

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Booing the USA anthem means you are booooing 340 million Americans that you don’t know and have done nothing to you.

Including Kyle Connor, Connor Hellybuck, Pionk, Samberg, Apples, Iafallo. Likely a few I’m forgetting.

Classless. Boo the Canadian anthem because you don’t like what your Canadian government is doing and has done for too many years now? Is that cool too?

I wouldn't say they've done nothing - they collectively voted in the guy that now wants to conquer our country. From what I've seen the reaction from their blue voters has been very positive about being booed anyway.

 

[KingBogo]

Booing the USA anthem means you are booooing 340 million Americans that you don’t know and have done nothing to you.

Including Kyle Connor, Connor Hellybuck, Pionk, Samberg, Apples, Iafallo. Likely a few I’m forgetting.

Classless. Boo the Canadian anthem because you don’t like what your Canadian government is doing and has done for too many years now? Is that cool too?

Americans against dictatorship are in support of Canada booing their national anthem.

 

[Flair Hay]

Seriously are you really this unaware of what is happening in the world?

Or think that Donald Trump actually gives a shit about normal Americans...

 

[Skidooboy]

Booing the USA anthem means you are booooing 340 million Americans that you don’t know and have done nothing to you.

Including Kyle Connor, Connor Hellybuck, Pionk, Samberg, Apples, Iafallo. Likely a few I’m forgetting.

Classless. Boo the Canadian anthem because you don’t like what your Canadian government is doing and has done for too many years now? Is that cool too?

i’ll worry about offending tbem
when they stop threatening to annex my country and lying about the “dangerous Canadian border” and forcing a trade war with us

my government of my country is not Donald Trump or America nor is the anthem the star spangled banner.

Will I boo the nation who are unjustly attacking their longest closest ally…. yes.

if Americans are upset? they can do something about their and majority elected presidents actions.

 

[Finnflash]

cant we all just love each other

Except the leaves, canadians and vegas..................they are the real enemies

 

[John Agar]

i’ll worry about offending tbem
when they stop threatening to annex my country and lying about the “dangerous Canadian border” and forcing a trade war with us

my government of my country is not Donald Trump or America nor is the anthem the star spangled banner.

Will I boo the nation who are unjustly attacking their longest closest ally…. yes.

if Americans are upset? they can do something about their and majority elected presidents actions.

Most American's have bigger fish to fry than your concerns Ski'...

They can't feed their family, they may be close to homelessness, faced with a bursting housing bubble...

Canada....? American's just buy from at a discount...

Example A'... Oil...

Oil is a global commodity... it is sold by all other nations in the World as a global commodity...

But Canada... no we don't fight for Global Commodities...

Our Government kills the Northern Gateway and Energy East so we have no way to pivot from in order to sell to other parts of the World... we must sell to the U.S. refinery capacity at a cut rate because we don't play, nor are we equipped aka refining capacity in Canada, to play the Global game...

A fun fact all pipelines from out West all go through the U.S. to Eastern Canada...

Another fun fact... Environment be damned... Most Eastern Canadian oil products by volume are delivered from nations other than Canada including a large volume from Russia... why is this happening if Canada matters, why is this happening if Canadians matter... ?

And no safe pipelines to move said oil... into a small numbers of monopolies domesticall;y decided upon out East by the usual suspects...

The spirits of Lac Megnatic and the surviving families want to know what you will do to bring back their son's, daughters, relations and friends...

No need for Examples B;.... D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K...L...M...N... O... P...

Give it enough time...it won't take much... but their will be no Equalization Tranfers from Alberta or Saskatchewan... they pay for most of the Health Care in Canada...

Your concerns Ski' should be well beyond Virtue Signaling ...

 

[Finnflash]

Most American's have bigger fish to fry than your concerns Ski'...

They can't feed their family, they may be close to homelessness, faced with a bursting housing bubble...

Canada....? American's just buy from at a discount...

Example A'... Oil...

Oil is a global commodity... it is sold by all other nations in the World as a global commodity...

But Canada... no we don't fight for Global Commodities...

Our Government kills the Northern Gateway and Energy East so we have no way to pivot from sell to other parts of the World... we must sell to the U.S. refinery capacity at a cut rate because we don't play, nor are we equipped aka refining capacity in Canada, to play the Global game...

A fun fact all pipelines from out West all go through the U.S. to Eastern Canada...

Another fun fact... Environment be damned... Most Eastern Canadian oil products by volume are delivered from nations other than Canada including a large volume from Russia... why is this happening if Canada matters, why is this happening if Canadians matter... ?

And no safe pipelines to move said oil... into a small numbers of monopolies domesticall;y decided upon out East by the usual suspects...

The spirits of Lac Megnatic and the surviving families want to know what you will do to bring back their son's, daughters, relations and friends...

No need for Examples B;.... D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K...L...M...N... O... P...

Give it enough time...it won't take much... but their will be no Equalization Tranfers from Alberta or Saskatchewan... they pay for most of the Health Care in Canada...

Your concerns Ski' should be well beyond Virtue Signaling ...

Are you saying that we are to blame John...............no way............. its easier to blame others

 

[voyageur]

It's about time we started refining our natural resources instead of selling it raw to other countries and letting them refine them.

Can you identify anything as made in Canada anymore? Not even hockey sticks.

 

[John Agar]

Are you saying that we are to blame John...............no way............. its easier to blame others

I take no blame...

I doubt you are to blame...

I doubt Ski' is to blame... who ever Ski' is... only one vote...

They keep jingo'ing away re: Trump...

Trump is only going down his checklist re: his promises to the U.S. who elected him...

I didn't vote for him... nor did those saying shit against me... maybe some, because where are they really from, hard to tell...

We are all going to lose in this shit show... best understand who created it...

It isn't you... it isn't me... nor the useful idiots opposing me...

And we all have zero sway against Trump in this, nor his government, nor the realities that will ensue...

It's our Federal Government that has incentivized capital flight, de-incentivized investment, divided Canadians by design, and protracted a lame duck govrnment for almost 18 months... if they really cared about Canadians... they would call a vote now...

But no... they want to furrther divide us on their malfeance... they setup this Cul du Sac in Canada on trade with mosty their inaction on criminality, their incaction on developing Canadian resources and idustry and their very active role as Cultural Marxists in dividing us...

Our own Government is our real enemy... they are possibly in the pocket of off shore interests... and I say that legally with much sarcasm not being specific...

So... yes I blame others... the Nihlists who want to tear Canada down... mock us... then wear our skin...

Finnflash... I want freedom for you.. me... and the useful idiots...

 

[LowLefty]

Most American's have bigger fish to fry than your concerns Ski'...

They can't feed their family, they may be close to homelessness, faced with a bursting housing bubble...

Canada....? American's just buy from at a discount...

Example A'... Oil...

Oil is a global commodity... it is sold by all other nations in the World as a global commodity...

But Canada... no we don't fight for Global Commodities...

Our Government kills the Northern Gateway and Energy East so we have no way to pivot from sell to other parts of the World... we must sell to the U.S. refinery capacity at a cut rate because we don't play, nor are we equipped aka refining capacity in Canada, to play the Global game...

A fun fact all pipelines from out West all go through the U.S. to Eastern Canada...

Another fun fact... Environment be damned... Most Eastern Canadian oil products by volume are delivered from nations other than Canada including a large volume from Russia... why is this happening if Canada matters, why is this happening if Canadians matter... ?

And no safe pipelines to move said oil... into a small numbers of monopolies domesticall;y decided upon out East by the usual suspects...

The spirits of Lac Megnatic and the surviving families want to know what you will do to bring back their son's, daughters, relations and friends...

No need for Examples B;.... D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K...L...M...N... O... P...

Give it enough time...it won't take much... but their will be no Equalization Tranfers from Alberta or Saskatchewan... they pay for most of the Health Care in Canada...

Your concerns Ski' should be well beyond Virtue Signaling ...

Oil (and other resources) are the key - there will be pain while we sort this.
Exchanging tariff blows with the US is a losing battle for this country - I wouldn't bother.
Politicians will tell you otherwise but we have only one thing that others need - resources.
Now we need to concentrate all efforts to getting those resources to tide water - the rest is mice nuts.
And if you want to win the hearts of Alberta / Sask, you need to give them options (piplelines).

The past is no longer relevant - there is a new game in play and we need to get our ducks in a row very quickly or we will fail. The US know this - they will collect their taxes from our trade - and kill our $ to buy what they need (cheep) until they no longer need to.

Up to this point, there is only one political party that gets this - hopefully they get a chance (soon) to get this started.

 

[Finnflash]

I take no blame...

I doubt you are to blame...

I doubt Ski' is to blame... who ever Ski' is... only one vote...

They keep jino'ing away re: Trump...

Trump is only going down his checklist re: his promises to the U.S. who elected him...

I didn't vote for him... nor did those saying shit against me... maybe some, because where are they really from, hard to tell...

We are all going to lose in this shit show... best understand who created it...

It isn't you... it isn't me... nor the useful idiots opposing me...

And we all have zero sway against Trump in this, nor his government, nor the realities that will ensue...

It's our Federal Government that has incentivized capital flight, de-incentivized investment, divided Canadians by design, and protracted a lame duck govrnment for almost 18 months... if they really cared about Canadians... they would call a vote now...

But no... they want to furrther divide us on their malfeance... they setup this Cul du Sac in Canada on trade with mosty their inaction on criminality, their incaction on developing Canadian resources and idustry and their very active role as Cultural Marxists in dividing us...

Our own Government is our real enemy... they are possibly in the pocket of off shore interests... and I say that legally with much sarcasm not being specific...

So... yes I blame others... the Nihlists who want to tear Canada down... mock us... then wear our skin...

Finnflash... I want freedom for you.. me... and the useful idiots...

i appreciate that...................you know where I find freedom

Having said that I'm still in the camp that Vegas had something to do with this

 

[robertocarlos]

I'm voting for Max.

 

[voyageur]

Oil (and other resources) are the key - there will be pain while we sort this.
Exchanging tariff blows with the US is a losing battle for this country - I wouldn't bother.
Politicians will tell you otherwise but we have only one thing that others need - resources.
Now we need to concentrate all efforts to getting those resources to tide water - the rest is mice nuts.
And if you want to win the hearts of Alberta / Sask, you need to give them options (piplelines).

The past is no longer relevant - there is a new game in play and we need to get our ducks in a row very quickly or we will fail. The US know this - they will collect their taxes from our trade - and kill our $ to buy what they need (cheep) until they no longer need to.

Up to this point, there is only one political party that gets this - hopefully they get a chance (soon) to get this started.

You have to think of how much money the Trudeau government spent on building up EVs. Critical mineral mining plans. Billions in budgets allocated. Mostly to f*** Alberta any way they could, while taking their money to Quebec every year.

Now the whole Ring of Fire comes into question, that was Ontario's and Quebec's next big next step, mineral mining on treaty lands. Trump has his eyes on Greenland. A lot easier to extract minerals, oil and gas from there. Don't need to go through every treaty territory with a briefcase to get what you want. Fight through the courts... Just take it. Don't even need to lockdown the country to build a pipeline that the government bought and ran about $20 billion over budget. And then put in a Carbon Tax to pay for it.

Then you worry about the price of groceries in the real world. Why can we grow weed everywhere in Canada with hydroponics but not vegetables?

Pretty easy to knock off governments if the CIA does what they do best...read about Venezuala in the old days.

Canada doesn't have the infrastructure to rely on anyone else but the U.S in trade.

Fun time to be alive.

 

[AussieBomberJet]

Oil (and other resources) are the key - there will be pain while we sort this.
Exchanging tariff blows with the US is a losing battle for this country - I wouldn't bother.
Politicians will tell you otherwise but we have only one thing that others need - resources.
Now we need to concentrate all efforts to getting those resources to tide water - the rest is mice nuts.
And if you want to win the hearts of Alberta / Sask, you need to give them options (piplelines).

The past is no longer relevant - there is a new game in play and we need to get our ducks in a row very quickly or we will fail. The US know this - they will collect their taxes from our trade - and kill our $ to buy what they need (cheep) until they no longer need to.

Up to this point, there is only one political party that gets this - hopefully they get a chance (soon) to get this started.

Hopefully not with Trump-loving PeePee they won't.

I long for the days where Canadian politics were normal and level-headed. We haven't seen this in nearly 15 years, and the federal Tories have gone full MAGA in their political style. Yuck. Gross. Go back to being normal Tories and maybe I'll consider them. Until then, PeePee et al can remain in the shadow minister box.

 

[More Cooley]

Im not Canadian myself but I just realized alot of my favorite stuff in life is… Neil Young, Rush, The Band (well 4/5s), TPB….HOCKEY… Cant wait to visit your country someday. Hang in there Canadian bros

 

[Jets 31]

Just going to say i know it's not all of America that is doing this but unfortunately alot of American's didn't bother to vote and now they have a selfish , lying moron as their leader. Maybe they should have protests against their leader, like come on this is a idiot that said you could inject cleaning solution into your body to get rid of Covid .

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Trump plans going make American mighty again or going to implode the nation ?
Im betting on latter