OOT Scoreboard 2023-24 playoffs

[njdevils1982]

The Rangers kind of playing in cement quick sand lol.

#Goaltending

f*** yes.

 

[Bleedred]

That's what I would worry about too. Panarin/Kreider/Mika have next to nothing this series, you EXPECT them to show up at some point. Florida's starts have been lackluster in some games too and you know NYR will be ready at home. Maybe the Rags are running on fumes, Shesterkin can't keep doing this night in and out. At the worst, Florida is softening them up for a very good Dallas team. Would really hope Dallas ends the Oilers in 5 or 6 and rests till the SCF

It's hard to tell if the Rangers are on fumes or not, or if they're just not very good.

They don't look too much different than they did last series.

I still like the Oilers. I do not like Skinner right now, he's gonna screw that team royally. If he doesn't screw them tomorrow night, if he don't screw them in game 5, he'll screw them in game 6 and then that could be the end of them if they either lose a close one in game 5 or then go on to lose a close one in game 7.

I'm completely off the Oilers train if Skinner is gonna keep playing. Maybe he gets them through this series and completely implodes them next series, but it's looking like it will be this series or maybe he doesn't play and Pickard comes to the rescue again at some point. They did start him in game 4 last time they were down 2-1.

The Nurse/Ceci pairing is also a horror movie. I'm starting to lose it with the Oilers.

 

[NjDevsRR]

It's hard to tell if the Rangers are on fumes or not, or if they're just not very good.

They don't look too much different than they did last series.

I still like the Oilers. I do not like Skinner right now, he's gonna screw that team royally. If he doesn't screw them tomorrow night, if he don't screw them in game 5, he'll screw them in game 6 and then that could be the end of them if they either lose a close one in game 5 or then go on to lose a close one in game 7.

I'm completely off the Oilers train if Skinner is gonna keep playing. Maybe he gets them through this series and completely implodes them next series, but it's looking like it will be this series or maybe he doesn't play and Pickard comes to the rescue again at some point. They did start him in game 4 last time they were down 2-1.

The Nurse/Ceci pairing is also a horror movie. I'm starting to lose it with the Oilers.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm thinking shesterkin breaks at some point. It's sorta like running up the pitch count of a pitcher. High stress and mental fatigue could lead to a breakthru if the rangers don't collectively wake up.

It's completely possible that the Rangers can lose without Shesterkin breaking. The Devils beat them last year without him breaking.

But they need Bob to play a little better than he did in games 2 and 3 (game 2 OT winner wasn't good) and I wonder if they can match their game from periods 2-3 tonight in game 5 (and onward), because I'm still wondering if they'll be out of steam before this series can end.

I still like the Oilers chances against them, but the Oilers can't even play them without beating Dallas first, and I know the Rangers haven't won their series yet either, so it's too early to talk about that.

But Skinner vs Shesterkin right now is like bringing a remote control car to a drag race.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's hard to tell if the Rangers are on fumes or not, or if they're just not very good.

They don't look too much different than they did last series.

I still like the Oilers. I do not like Skinner right now, he's gonna screw that team royally. If he doesn't screw them tomorrow night, if he don't screw them in game 5, he'll screw them in game 6 and then that could be the end of them if they either lose a close one in game 5 or then go on to lose a close one in game 7.

I'm completely off the Oilers train if Skinner is gonna keep playing. Maybe he gets them through this series and completely implodes them next series, but it's looking like it will be this series or maybe he doesn't play and Pickard comes to the rescue again at some point. They did start him in game 4 last time they were down 2-1.

The Nurse/Ceci pairing is also a horror movie. I'm starting to lose it with the Oilers.

They're the Rangers West without a Fox/Shesty which is an incredible feat considering how they make runs yearly. 9.5M off of the books for Nurse would be god send for that roster but Holland had a Holland special on that deal. Skinner is bad and them never addressing got their actual good coach fired imo. Knoblauch reminds me of those coaches that Lebron would hire in the NBA just to be a figurehead, it doesn't impress me that much whenever I watch Edmonton and they look off their game. I rarely see adjustments being made or timeouts being used from him to calm them down.

 

[Andre Palot]

It's completely possible that the Rangers can lose without Shesterkin breaking. The Devils beat them last year without him breaking.

But they need Bob to play a little better than he did in games 2 and 3 (game 2 OT winner wasn't good) and I wonder if they can match their game from periods 2-3 tonight in game 5 (and onward), because I'm still wondering if they'll be out of steam before this series can end.

I still like the Oilers chances against them, but the Oilers can't even play them without beating Dallas first, and I know the Rangers haven't won their series yet either, so it's too early to talk about that.

But Skinner vs Shesterkin right now is like bringing a remote control car to a drag race.

I'm calling it.

Whoever wins this series wins the cup.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's completely possible that the Rangers can lose without Shesterkin breaking. The Devils beat them last year without him breaking.

But they need Bob to play a little better than he did in games 2 and 3 (game 2 OT winner wasn't good) and I wonder if they can match their game from periods 2-3 tonight in game 5 (and onward), because I'm still wondering if they'll be out of steam before this series can end.

I still like the Oilers chances against them, but the Oilers can't even play them without beating Dallas first, and I know the Rangers haven't won their series yet either, so it's too early to talk about that.

But Skinner vs Shesterkin right now is like bringing a remote control car to a drag race.

5-5 games with 20 PPG's probably in total in the series

 

[Bleedred]

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Well, they have the second best goalie I think still in these playoffs. That's important.

Their younger stars have carried them (hard to believe Robertson was on an 11 game goal drought though?) and I think they're the DEEPEST team left, despite the fact that they don't have McDavid.

And they have less wear on them than the Panthers in these last playoffs, though probably not by much because they did make the conference finals last year also.

The only worry I have about them which has not been an issue yet is the amount of old legs on that team. I'm worried some guys will give out at some point, possibly before they can win the cup.

It hasn't happened yet, hopefully it doesn't, but there are a lot of old guys on their team. They've been carried by Johnston, Heiskanen, Oettinger and Robertson (despite the long goal drought) which is good because those are their best players and who they need to carry them.

 

[Devilsfan992]

I still like the Oilers. I do not like Skinner right now, he's gonna screw that team royally. If he doesn't screw them tomorrow night, if he don't screw them in game 5, he'll screw them in game 6 and then that could be the end of them if they either lose a close one in game 5 or then go on to lose a close one in game 7.

I'm completely off the Oilers train if Skinner is gonna keep playing. Maybe he gets them through this series and completely implodes them next series, but it's looking like it will be this series or maybe he doesn't play and Pickard comes to the rescue again at some point. They did start him in game 4 last time they were down 2-1.

The Nurse/Ceci pairing is also a horror movie. I'm starting to lose it with the Oilers.

That first sentence was a great opener for the rest of your conclusion.

 

[Bleedred]

5-5 games with 20 PPG's probably in total in the series

I can totally see the Oilers blowing up Igor in that series for 6 goals, only to lose games 7-6 because Skinner just doesn't make enough saves in the playoffs for whatever reason and Nurse/Ceci are the worst players on the ice.

 

[guitarguyvic]

You do know when we say “destiny”, its just a saying for good fortune which comes from methods that are not normally seen?

If you think we are saying there is divine stuff going on here then you are wildn’.

So what are you disagreeing with here if you agree that they are on a good fortune run?

What? Destiny is not merely a saying for good fortune. Fortune can run out or end at any moment. Destiny means specifically that there’s a preordained future which cannot be influenced by human intention or choices or action. There is certainly an implication that it involves divine or hidden mysterious forces.

 

[Bleedred]

They're the Rangers West without a Fox/Shesty which is an incredible feat considering how they make runs yearly. 9.5M off of the books for Nurse would be god send for that roster but Holland had a Holland special on that deal. Skinner is bad and them never addressing got their actual good coach fired imo. Knoblauch reminds me of those coaches that Lebron would hire in the NBA just to be a figurehead, it doesn't impress me that much whenever I watch Edmonton and they look off their game. I rarely see adjustments being made or timeouts being used from him to calm them down.

I think the Oilers will be better off when Kenny is outta there after this year. I hope the Blue Jackets hire him as president of hockey ops to go along with Waddell. That's something that's been rumored, that he'll come in there with Waddell once the Oilers season ends.

And I'd be happy if Compiler Kenny didn't win yet another cup. Guy is the most overachieving GM possibly of all time in the NHL. Inherited the Wings dynasty-ish team from Jim Devellano. He's not really a legend who built a team out of almost nothing like Lou.

 

[Camille the Eel]

I think Bleed said that after the first. I missed the game but it kinda tracks from the advanced stats and box score I'm looking at rn lol

I agree they looked like they were on fumes tonight and certainly didn’t look like the same unstoppable force they seemed most of the year and earlier against Tampa and Boston. They were squeezing the sticks tonight. But that OT winner may have changed things. It’s a whole new short series now.

Florida played a very weak first period, where the Rangers were a step quicker to every puck and were by far the more aggressive and dangerous team. Zibanejad hit a cross bar on a pretty easy look towards the 6 minute left mark that would have made it 2 zip.

All night Florida looked out of sorts, while generating a lot of possession and some breakaways too. They got their first two goals on dirty area chances and bouncing pucks in close. Really all were power play scores. Otherwise when they had open looks at Shesty they were over thinking. They then didn’t hold the lead in the 3d and coughed it up early, taking the game to OT.

If they weren’t tired and on fumes, it could also have been that their confidence was shaken by the two straight OT losses. And that Shesty got in their heads. Winning this one in OT may just have changed that.

It’s a pick ‘em, anybody’s series now. Three straight OT games shows you how dead even it’s already been.

 

[NJDevs26]

I would think this is how teams felt playing against broduer in some playoff runs but honestly I don’t remember the devils ever being so dominated and squeaking out an overtime win in any of their cup runs.

They even lost seven straight OT games in the playoffs before the Arnott goal in Dallas, that I remember lol, our most famous playoff games in 1994 were also all OT losses - Buffalo Game 6, the two Ranger games (though we did actually win Game 1 before that). I think career-wise Brodeur was around .500 in OT in the playoffs at most?

 

[NjDevsRR]

What? Destiny is not merely a saying for good fortune. Fortune can run out or end at any moment. Destiny means specifically that there’s a preordained future which cannot be influenced by human intention or choices or action. There is certainly an implication that it involves divine or hidden mysterious forces.

 

[Bleedred]

I agree they looked like they were on fumes tonight and certainly didn’t look like the same unstoppable force they seemed most of the year and earlier against Tampa and Boston. They were squeezing the sticks tonight. But that OT winner may have changed things. It’s a whole new short series now.

Florida played a very weak first period, where the Rangers were a step quicker to every puck and were by far the more aggressive and dangerous team. Zibanejad hit a cross bar on a pretty easy look towards the 6 minute left mark that would have made it 2 zip.

All night Florida looked out of sorts, while generating a lot of possession and some breakaways too. They got their first two goals on dirty area chances and bouncing pucks in close. Really all were power play scores. Otherwise when they had open looks at Shesty they were over thinking. They then didn’t hold the lead in the 3d and coughed it up early, taking the game to OT.

If they weren’t tired and on fumes, it could also have been that their confidence was shaken by the two straight OT losses. And that Shesty got in their heads. Winning this one in OT may just have changed that.

It’s a pick ‘em, anybody’s series now. Three straight OT games shows you how dead even it’s already been.

Perhaps this was a confidence issue more than out of gas.

Although they looked a bit spent in the overtime period of game 2 before their confidence could have possibly become too shaken in this series. Maybe that was just a random one game thing for them and not energy depletion?

 

[njdevils1982]

what is this about destiny now?

 

[NjDevsRR]

what is this about destiny now?

 

[Guttersniped]

For what it’s worth, the Panthers are winning the special teams battle with a +3 GD in the series.

Weirdly, zero special team goals so far in the WCF.

SPECIAL TEAMS FOR FINAL FOUR

NY RAGS
Rags PP
1st Rd: 4GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs WSH)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GF 0 GA (vs CAR)
3rd Rd: 4GP 1 GF 0 GA
14GP 12 GF 0 GA/ +12 PP GD
26.1 PP%
26.1 Net PP%
5:04 PP TOI/GP
46 PP
3.29 PP Opp/GP

Rags PK
1st Rd: 4GP 2 GA 2 GF (vs WSH)
2nd Rd: 6GP 2 GA 2 GF (vs CAR)
3rd Rd: 4GP 5 GA 1 GF
14GP 9 GA 5 GF/ -4 SH GD
83.0 PK%
92.5 Net PK%
6:08 SH TOI/GP
53 Times SH
3.79 TS/GP

FLORIDA
Florida PP
1st Rd: 5GP 3 GF 1 GA (vs TBL)
2nd Rd: 6GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs BOS)
3rd Rd: 4GP 5 GF 1 GA
15GP 14 GF 2 GA/ +12 PP GD
25.0 PP%
21.4 Net PP%
6:15 PP TOI/GP
56 PP Opp
3.73 PP Opp/GP

Florida PK
1st Rd: 5GP 4 GA 1 GF (vs TBL)
2nd Rd: 6GP 1 GA 1 GF (vs BOS)
3rd Rd: 4GP 1 GA 0 GF
15GP 6 GA 2 GF/ -4 SH GD
87.2 PK%
91.5 Net PK%
5:11 SH TOI/GP
47 Times SH
3.13 TS/GP

DALLAS
Dallas PP
1st Rd: 7GP 4 GF 1 GA (vs VGK)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GF 0 GA (vs COL)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GF 0 GA
16GP 9 GF 1 GA/ +8 PP GD
23.7 PP%
21.1 Net PP%
4:07 PP TOI/GP
38 PP Opp
2.38 PP Opp/GP

Dallas PK
1st Rd: 7GP 3 GA 0 GF (vs VGK)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GA 2 GF (vs COL)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GA 0 GF
16GP 8 GA 2 GF/ -6 SH GD
74.2 PK%
80.7 Net PK%
3:04 SH TOI/GP
31 Times SH
1.94 TS/GP

EDMONTON
Edmonton PP
1st Rd: 5GP 9 GF 0 GA (vs LAK)
2nd Rd: 7GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs VAN)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GF 0 GA
15GP 15 GF 0 GA/ +15 PP GD
33.3 PP%
33.3% Net PP%
4:29 PP TOI/GP
45 PP Opp
3.00 PP Opp/GP

Edmonton PK
1st Rd: 5GP 0 GA 0 GF (vs LAK)
2nd Rd: 7GP 3 GA 0 GF (vs VAN)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GA 0 GF
15GP 3 GA 0 GF/ -3 SH GD
92.9 PK%
92.9 Net PK%
4:59 SH TOI/GP
42 Times SH
2.80 TS/GP

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

For what it’s worth, the Panthers are winning the special teams battle with a +3 GD in the series.

Weirdly, zero special team goals so far in the WCF.

SPECIAL TEAMS FOR FINAL FOUR

NY RAGS
Rags PP
1st Rd: 4GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs WSH)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GF 0 GA (vs CAR)
3rd Rd: 4GP 1 GF 0 GA
14GP 12 GF 0 GA/ +12 PP GD
26.1 PP%
26.1 Net PP%
5:04 PP TOI/GP
46 PP
3.29 PP Opp/GP

Rags PK
1st Rd: 4GP 2 GA 2 GF (vs WSH)
2nd Rd: 6GP 2 GA 2 GF (vs CAR)
3rd Rd: 4GP 5 GA 1 GF
14GP 9 GA 5 GF/ -4 SH GD
83.0 PK%
92.5 Net PK%
6:08 SH TOI/GP
53 Times SH
3.79 TS/GP

FLORIDA
Florida PP
1st Rd: 5GP 3 GF 1 GA (vs TBL)
2nd Rd: 6GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs BOS)
3rd Rd: 4GP 5 GF 1 GA
15GP 14 GF 2 GA/ +12 PP GD
25.0 PP%
21.4 Net PP%
6:15 PP TOI/GP
56 PP Opp
3.73 PP Opp/GP

Florida PK
1st Rd: 5GP 4 GA 1 GF (vs TBL)
2nd Rd: 6GP 1 GA 1 GF (vs BOS)
3rd Rd: 4GP 1 GA 0 GF
15GP 6 GA 2 GF/ -4 SH GD
87.2 PK%
91.5 Net PK%
5:11 SH TOI/GP
47 Times SH
3.13 TS/GP

DALLAS
Dallas PP
1st Rd: 7GP 4 GF 1 GA (vs VGK)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GF 0 GA (vs COL)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GF 0 GA
16GP 9 GF 1 GA/ +8 PP GD
23.7 PP%
21.1 Net PP%
4:07 PP TOI/GP
38 PP Opp
2.38 PP Opp/GP

Dallas PK
1st Rd: 7GP 3 GA 0 GF (vs VGK)
2nd Rd: 6GP 5 GA 2 GF (vs COL)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GA 0 GF
16GP 8 GA 2 GF/ -6 SH GD
74.2 PK%
80.7 Net PK%
3:04 SH TOI/GP
31 Times SH
1.94 TS/GP

EDMONTON
Edmonton PP
1st Rd: 5GP 9 GF 0 GA (vs LAK)
2nd Rd: 7GP 6 GF 0 GA (vs VAN)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GF 0 GA
15GP 15 GF 0 GA/ +15 PP GD
33.3 PP%
33.3% Net PP%
4:29 PP TOI/GP
45 PP Opp
3.00 PP Opp/GP

Edmonton PK
1st Rd: 5GP 0 GA 0 GF (vs LAK)
2nd Rd: 7GP 3 GA 0 GF (vs VAN)
3rd Rd: 3GP 0 GA 0 GF
15GP 3 GA 0 GF/ -3 SH GD
92.9 PK%
92.9 Net PK%
4:59 SH TOI/GP
42 Times SH
2.80 TS/GP

I remember when I told a few Rags buddies that Shesterkin would end up being better than Hank and got eye rolls in 21-22. The fact they're losing the special teams and 5v5 battle and are in a 2-2 series with an elite Florida team is f***ing absurd. Granted, these skaters are probably better than anything Hank had but this team plays no f***ing defense in front of Shesterkin like maybe the 11-12 Rags did with Torts commitment to shot blocking.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I actual look don’t think the rangers defense is that bad. Their problem is they get pinned in and can’t maintain puck possession. But positionally and with their sticks they don’t allow a lot of clean looks. The panthers are having to work hard to get into scoring position.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

That Reinhart GWG was the nicest PP goal I've seen since the Kovy Game 6 goal against those f***s.

 

[Guadana]

How many words about goalies.

Third overtime, 2-2 in the series. Somehow badly Bob is missing same amount of goals as Shestyorkin. Goalies are overrated. And badly Bob is playing third round second year in a row. And second round year before. Skinner? Second and third rounds.
Saros and Hellebyuck would dead for this level of success. Ullmark would dead for a playoff starter position.

Goaltending matters

Nope

Goaltending matters

I think he's the only goalie you can bet on currently left in these playoffs to win a series (or multiple) by himself.

This is called a logical contradiction.

Goalies don't matter if its not VV level of performance. Shestyorkin can win Conn Smythe but rangers will not win cup if their team will not overplay Florida on the ice. Its about creating, winning puck battles, preventing high danger chances like free wennberg game ago, focus and luck. You are talking about how Bob is awfully bad and he isn't far away from playing two SC finals in a raw. He is okay. Passable. Bare minimum. Florida can live with him.

And they could live with any other passable goalie. Because this is what is going on with goalies. They will not help if they are not Shestyorkin, they will not ruin if they are not really bad. Your line of "bad" is way over the top.


I'm lazy to make another screenshot. Skinner and Bobrovsky in the CFs. As Shestyorkin and Ottinger, who are behind rookie Woll and old man Varlamov - both are golfers after first round.

Goalies don't matter. Shestyorkin was great year ago and played golf after first round.

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But of course there is specific case.

Only Russian goalie matters. Goalies from Russia. Bear friends. Goalies in ushankas. Putins goalie agents. Siberian hockey school. KGB puck stopping technique. Vodka in the bottle on the net.

May be Fitz will draft one.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Ohhh shit. I shall grab the popcorn

 

[Goptor]

I actual look don’t think the rangers defense is that bad. Their problem is they get pinned in and can’t maintain puck possession. But positionally and with their sticks they don’t allow a lot of clean looks. The panthers are having to work hard to get into scoring position.

The main problem with their defense is Fox is the only guy who can effectively start a play up the ice. Thats why they get pinned so much. Trouba, Miler, Schneider, and Lindgren either dont have the IQ or dont have the hands to makes plays going up the ice. Its slightly balanced by Trouba and Miller being able to skate the puck at times.

It leads to weird pairings. Trouba and Miller are horrible together because they are the same type of player. Their weaknesses are magnified.
Lindgren works well with Fox but falls apart when away from him. He's like SIegenthaler with/without Hamilton. They are stuck rotating their bottom pair guys into more prominent roles.