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Ontario Reign 21-22 Thread 2: Reigndrops keep falling on my head

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bland said:
Statistically? No. Contextually? Might as well have said the sky is green.
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Contextually, the Kings have a record of 9-2-4 for 22 points in 15 games with AA in the line up, so I'm fine with the sky being green.
 
I'm blown away how well some of our prospects have done this year in Ontario. Our defense has been especially strong with Durzi, Spence and Grans having amazing years. I have always been a big fan of Fagemo. I think he's a very smart player and has the skill to be in the NHL. He also currently leads the team with a +15 and I has a goal scoring knack if put with the right players.

Vilardi looks to have righted the ship and Turcotte will have his place with the big team.

All this being said - who are you guys okay with trading to get another star player on the Kings? The only guys (right now) that I would say are untouchable for me are Byfield, Clarke and Spence. Everyone else is fair game if the right offer is on the table. Thoughts?
 
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bmr said:
I'm blown away how well some of our prospects have done this year in Ontario. Our defense has been especially strong with Durzi, Spence and Grans having amazing years. I have always been a big fan of Fagemo. I think he's a very smart player and has the skill to be in the NHL. He also currently leads the team with a +15 and I has a goal scoring knack if put with the right players.

Vilardi looks to have righted the ship and Turcotte will have his place with the big team.

All this being said - who are you guys okay with trading to get another star player on the Kings? The only guys (right now) that I would say are untouchable for me are Byfield, Clarke and Spence. Everyone else is fair game if the right offer is on the table. Thoughts?
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Byfield, Clarke and Faber for me.
 
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bmr said:
I'm blown away how well some of our prospects have done this year in Ontario. Our defense has been especially strong with Durzi, Spence and Grans having amazing years. I have always been a big fan of Fagemo. I think he's a very smart player and has the skill to be in the NHL. He also currently leads the team with a +15 and I has a goal scoring knack if put with the right players.

Vilardi looks to have righted the ship and Turcotte will have his place with the big team.

All this being said - who are you guys okay with trading to get another star player on the Kings? The only guys (right now) that I would say are untouchable for me are Byfield, Clarke and Spence. Everyone else is fair game if the right offer is on the table. Thoughts?
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Depends on the star player. For the right guy, I'd give up anything but Byfield. The players I would trade QB for likely would never become available.
 
lumbergh said:
Contextually, the Kings have a record of 9-2-4 for 22 points in 15 games with AA in the line up, so I'm fine with the sky being green.
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Doesn't mean that he is a good fit for Byfield, that he himself is playing well or deserves a contract extension to limit an opportunity for a kid in the future.

You know, the things we are talking about here.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Imagine cherry picking this hard to stick up for AA as a difference making player.

I'm not even going to argue with your guys, here's your shovel. Dig your own hole.
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Maybe you should complain to the league for "cherry picking" the way games are decided: like using goals for instance.
 
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HookKing said:
Maybe you should complain to the league for "cherry picking" the way games are decided: like using goals for instance.
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The argument isn’t being made about production, it’s being made about development & benefit of players who actually are in the long term plans for this franchise, versus one trick ponies who will never hold a place on a championship caliber roster.

Anthanasiou does not play a brand of hockey that wins playoff games, and he just drags down the players on his line who otherwise might learn to.

Hockey is far too complex and full of subtle nuisances to cheapen it with the argument that the sole value of a player is blanket statistics with little to no context.
 
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HookKing said:
Maybe you should complain to the league for "cherry picking" the way games are decided: like using goals for instance.
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Yeah! Goals are important! Would you agree keeping them out is important?

Over his time here, AA is dead last in CF%, SF%, HDCF%, and damn near dead last in GF%, xGF%, and GA/60.

So he's scoring? That's cool. He's getting scored ON and completely destroyed in possession at rates that completely invalidate his contributions enough that he's literally the worst forward on the team by nearly every metric. That's actually pretty f***ing impressive, guys usually are at least good at something.

I tried to save you from yourself. Sorry. He IS that bad. even if he's a guy I'm rooting for.
 
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lumbergh said:
Contextually, the Kings have a record of 9-2-4 for 22 points in 15 games with AA in the line up, so I'm fine with the sky being green.
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Ahh yeah, I guess he's a good luck charm then. Let's ignore all his issues because the people around him are good at hockey.

A few of you guys are really, really bad at isolating players and I'm sorry I have to be that blunt about it but being aggressively and confrontationally wrong is getting old around here.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah! Goals are important! Would you agree keeping them out is important?

Over his time here, AA is dead last in CF%, SF%, HDCF%, and damn near dead last in GF%, xGF%, and GA/60.

So he's scoring? That's cool. He's getting scored ON at rates that completely invalidate his contributions enough that he's literally the worst forward on the team by nearly every metric. That's actually pretty f***ing impressive, guys usually are at least good at something.

I tried to save you from yourself. Sorry. He IS that bad. even if he's a guy I'm rooting for.
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Now you're just making shit up. He isn't dead last in CF% and his GA/60 is ahead of Kempe and Kopitar. The guy who is dead last is you're boy Byfield. Maybe he's the one dragging numbers down.
 
HookKing said:
Now you're just making shit up. He isn't dead last in CF% and his GA/60 is ahead of Kempe and Kopitar. The guy who is dead last is you're boy Byfield. Maybe he's the one dragging numbers down.
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Re-read. "over his time here," which covers several groups of linemates and seasons, not just those he was fortunate to have people cover up his issues in small sample sizes.

And no, we already did that homework. Byfield smashes it with everyone but AA. So congrats on doubling down on being wrong. Keep going if you like.

(and all of this is JUST the stats...not the eye test. even I didn't expect them to be as damning as they were but they sure confirm who he is, chaos incarnate with immense skill who can score against the flow of play at times. There are some guys behind him in one stat or two but they play FAR harder matchups...imagine getting softies on a tee and still sucking as hard as AA. you must be his agent to want to fight that hard for a guy getting preferential deployment and still getting rocked consistently over 7 years in the NHL).
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
I'm sorry, but if you are seriously sticking up for AA at this point you are either trolling or have your head up your ass. The numbers have been put out time and time again and it matches the eye test, so there really isn't anything worth discussing, he sucks
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It's not even that, it's just...what kind of org-defending blinders do you have to have to go to bat for not only a guy with those stats but with no future with the org? I can understand it to a degree with lifers like brown or rookies like kaliyev but jesus christ what does AA bring that your'e willing to sacrifice any credibility for a random bullshit UFA merc

We could lose AA now and bring in Hoffman or Hagelin or any number of random UFAs and not just not skip a beat, but probably get better. just a weird ass hill to die on with no defense. It's the Anakin move.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Re-read. "over his time here," which covers several groups of linemates and seasons, not just those he was fortunate to have people cover up his issues in small sample sizes.

And no, we already did that homework. Byfield smashes it with everyone but AA. So congrats on doubling down on being wrong. Keep going if you like.

(and all of this is JUST the stats...not the eye test. even I didn't expect them to be as damning as they were but they sure confirm who he is, chaos incarnate with immense skill who can score against the flow of play at times. There are some guys behind him in one stat or two but they play FAR harder matchups...imagine getting softies on a tee and still sucking as hard as AA. you must be his agent to want to fight that hard for a guy getting preferential deployment and still getting rocked consistently over 7 years in the NHL).
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"Byfield smashes it"... you mean his one goal and two whole points in 13
games so far. Please. I must admit I have a certain admiration for people that truly believe their own bullshit.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah! Goals are important! Would you agree keeping them out is important?

Over his time here, AA is dead last in CF%, SF%, HDCF%, and damn near dead last in GF%, xGF%, and GA/60.

So he's scoring? That's cool. He's getting scored ON and completely destroyed in possession at rates that completely invalidate his contributions enough that he's literally the worst forward on the team by nearly every metric. That's actually pretty f***ing impressive, guys usually are at least good at something.

I tried to save you from yourself. Sorry. He IS that bad. even if he's a guy I'm rooting for.
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He's only played 15 of 47 games - less than a third - so I wouldn't go too far drawing big conclusions from his stats vs the rest of the team.
 
I've said it before but I'm not kidding - the best thing to do with AA is use him like the Oilers used Peter Klima: sit him all game and spring him in the third when his fast legs are fresh and the other team's are heavy.
 
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