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Ugly lost. Yikes. Giveaways left and right in that third period. Tynan with a terrible pass behind the net to no one on the 3rd goal, Dudas on a two on one fumbles the puck shoots it gets it blocked 15 seconds later Gaunce with a great play covering his man, Heat ties it up. Ahhhh AHL lifers for ya.
 
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Comically absurd how many giveaways you see in the AHL. Given the Reign are one of the better teams in the AHL I am under the belief this is simply AHL hockey. The # of stupid plays made when a smart, easy play is there for the taking too many to count.

That said- Byfield and Vilardi both looking solid and given Byfields age....he has some skills and going to be a solid NHLers. Only question is the Ceiling.
 
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mysterman2 said:
Comically absurd how many giveaways you see in the AHL. Given the Reign are one of the better teams in the AHL I am under the belief this is simply AHL hockey. The # of stupid plays made when a smart, easy play is there for the taking too many to count.

That said- Byfield and Vilardi both looking solid and given Byfields age....he has some skills and going to be a solid NHLers. Only question is the Ceiling.
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It is, which is why it's sometimes hard to see guys' abilities to translate to the NHL, where those turnovers are minimized and elite puck support options are almost always there.
 
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It is, which is why it's sometimes hard to see guys' abilities to translate to the NHL, where those turnovers are minimized and elite puck support options are almost always there.
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Yeah, one of the best things you can be for your own teammates is predictable. We see a lot of system breakdowns in the AHL (and even moreso at lower levels) that can make it really tough to evaluate players. If one guy is doing exactly what he's supposed to and another guy isn't where he's supposed to be, the first guy might look like he made a brutal turnover.
 
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Josh Ho-Sang has some sick hands too, and it didn’t amount to shit.

Hands quite possibly could be the least important skill an NHL level player has.

I’m far from writing off Gabe, but anointing him a success based on one tier of skill is misguided at best.
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guy has shown it, even at the NHL level. I know hands aren't that important, but it's a good indicator of how good a player can become. When it comes down to the cycling, back checking, effort, physicality, mental game, etc, hands don't play into it. I think Vilardi could end up being a top 6 winger on this team, if given time. Seems like he's got some mental stuff to get through, like that might be his biggest hurdle. Give the kid time.
 
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guy has shown it, even at the NHL level. I know hands aren't that important, but it's a good indicator of how good a player can become. When it comes down to the cycling, back checking, effort, physicality, mental game, etc, hands don't play into it. I think Vilardi could end up being a top 6 winger on this team, if given time. Seems like he's got some mental stuff to get through, like that might be his biggest hurdle. Give the kid time.
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I absolutely agree that with Vilardi, you’re at worst looking at a PP-specialist who needs sheltered 5v5 minutes, and the big question is by how much he exceeds that floor.

The follow up concern to that question is, by how much (if any) does he exceed that, and are the kings better off sending him away for another piece, or riding it out & hoping he can transition to wing? I damn sure don’t know.
 
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I absolutely agree that with Vilardi, you’re at worst looking at a PP-specialist who needs sheltered 5v5 minutes, and the big question is by how much he exceeds that floor.

The follow up concern to that question is, by how much (if any) does he exceed that, and are the kings better off sending him away for another piece, or riding it out & hoping he can transition to wing? I damn sure don’t know.
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well if you trade him, you're probably going to package him up and get one player for two or three. so you lose when you have to trade your prospects. You're better off developing them.
 
At what point do we think about cashing in on JAD or some of the other prospects that are seen as energy/bottom line guys? They might not return too much in a trade, but Lizotte and Lemieux are going to make it difficult for players of that ilk to break in. They are 24 and 25, still young. Madden kind of fits in that category, as does Thomas. Injuries have played a role of course and I'd especially like to see more from Thomas, but the NHL roster doesn't wait around and I think with the 4th line rounding out those available spots are dropping. You can bet that Byfield and Turcotte are going to grab spots and Kaliyev is going to move up. It looks like a fourth-line spot will be open, maybe a spot on the 3rd.

I expect AA and Frk to be gone, and it wouldn't surprise if Anderssson isn't qualified - but they aren't regular roster players due to various reasons. There is a big logjam of guys on the cusp. Grundy was playing well, I expect him to be around. All those energy guys are going to have to outplay higher pedigree prospects like Kupari and Turcotte to grab spots, and while that happens occasionally it usually doesn't. Fagemo will also be in the mix. It's really time to make some determinations and inquire with teams who are in dire need of restocking their pipelines.
 
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well if you trade him, you're probably going to package him up and get one player for two or three. so you lose when you have to trade your prospects. You're better off developing them.
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But a some point we will need to package up several prospects before they lose all value. We can’t possibly bring them all through so we absolutely should make a meaningful deal which would ideally be before next season starts. Yes we need to develop players but once we know where the holes will be in the system we need to start making trades whilst we can do so from a position of strength.
 
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At what point do we think about cashing in on JAD or some of the other prospects that are seen as energy/bottom line guys? They might not return too much in a trade, but Lizotte and Lemieux are going to make it difficult for players of that ilk to break in. They are 24 and 25, still young. Madden kind of fits in that category, as does Thomas. Injuries have played a role of course and I'd especially like to see more from Thomas, but the NHL roster doesn't wait around and I think with the 4th line rounding out those available spots are dropping. You can bet that Byfield and Turcotte are going to grab spots and Kaliyev is going to move up. It looks like a fourth-line spot will be open, maybe a spot on the 3rd.

I expect AA and Frk to be gone, and it wouldn't surprise if Anderssson isn't qualified - but they aren't regular roster players due to various reasons. There is a big logjam of guys on the cusp. Grundy was playing well, I expect him to be around. All those energy guys are going to have to outplay higher pedigree prospects like Kupari and Turcotte to grab spots, and while that happens occasionally it usually doesn't. Fagemo will also be in the mix. It's really time to make some determinations and inquire with teams who are in dire need of restocking their pipelines.
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Chromiak will be in the mix next season too, he'll join Ontario in a couple months after the OHL season. Not to mention Vilardi, who I expect we'll see at some point again soon.

Anyway, some guys are gonna getting traded, that's for sure.
 
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Durzi, Wolanin, and Moverare playing for LA or being on the taxi squad is no small loss for Ontario, some guys are playing more minutes than they are ready for right now.
 
I'd anticipate some of the older prospects move as early as this deadline, for better or for worse. As you say a guy like JAD loses waiver eligibility after this year, and plenty are soon to follow; at some point, it's not so much that they lose value themselves as much as it is teams will realize the Kings have 15 f***ing extra guys that they can thrift store out of us for pennies on the dollar because we need to.

There's a fine line between identifying roster holes to fill and losing value; right now we KNOW we need LHD and future goaltending help and that's about it; we have to cash some of the redundancies to fill those holes and maybe even for further picks moving forward if they're not going to be players.

For me--I think Thomas and Fagemo stick long term. I think and hope Grundstrom stays as a depth forward. I think JAD's ticket was punched when he was sent down this year, unfortunately, especially with Lizotte going HAM. Lemieux stays. I think Madden and Andersson go, just unfortunate victims of the Kings self-inflicted numbers game.

Of the big guys, I think Byfield stays, one of Turcotte/Vilardi stays. I think Kupari is a goner. Personally I view the org's handling of JAD and Vilardi as signs they're gone.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I'd anticipate some of the older prospects move as early as this deadline, for better or for worse. As you say a guy like JAD loses waiver eligibility after this year, and plenty are soon to follow; at some point, it's not so much that they lose value themselves as much as it is teams will realize the Kings have 15 f***ing extra guys that they can thrift store out of us for pennies on the dollar because we need to.

There's a fine line between identifying roster holes to fill and losing value; right now we KNOW we need LHD and future goaltending help and that's about it; we have to cash some of the redundancies to fill those holes and maybe even for further picks moving forward if they're not going to be players.

For me--I think Thomas and Fagemo stick long term. I think and hope Grundstrom stays as a depth forward. I think JAD's ticket was punched when he was sent down this year, unfortunately, especially with Lizotte going HAM. Lemieux stays. I think Madden and Andersson go, just unfortunate victims of the Kings self-inflicted numbers game.

Of the big guys, I think Byfield stays, one of Turcotte/Vilardi stays. I think Kupari is a goner. Personally I view the org's handling of JAD and Vilardi as signs they're gone.
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I pretty much agree with everything you say about the prospects staying or going. I think Kupari’s extended look it to maximise his value for trading and I’ve felt that for a while. Vilardi is a funny one though because I think much will depend on his back, the specific diagnosis and how the long term prognosis is viewed. It could easily be that we’d never see true value in any trade and therefore it might be worth throwing everything at carving him out a role on wing. All things being equal, I agree trade Vilardi (which would sadden me a little) especially as I’m much more sold on Turcotte character wise. Don’t get me wrong, I like Vilardi and admire the way he’s battled through his back issues but Turcotte is a bit special character wise.
 
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I’ve viewed the following as untouchable
Byfield
Clarke
Kaliyev
Turcotte

IMHO, Our trading pool is the following
Vilardi
Kupari
JAD
Andersson
Madden
Grundstrom
Moverare
Fagemo
Moore - will be a hot name as his play has been outstanding and he’s also a guy that’ll probably wear a letter one day
Walker - not sure you can trade him atm
 
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I'd anticipate some of the older prospects move as early as this deadline, for better or for worse. As you say a guy like JAD loses waiver eligibility after this year, and plenty are soon to follow; at some point, it's not so much that they lose value themselves as much as it is teams will realize the Kings have 15 f***ing extra guys that they can thrift store out of us for pennies on the dollar because we need to.

There's a fine line between identifying roster holes to fill and losing value; right now we KNOW we need LHD and future goaltending help and that's about it; we have to cash some of the redundancies to fill those holes and maybe even for further picks moving forward if they're not going to be players.

For me--I think Thomas and Fagemo stick long term. I think and hope Grundstrom stays as a depth forward. I think JAD's ticket was punched when he was sent down this year, unfortunately, especially with Lizotte going HAM. Lemieux stays. I think Madden and Andersson go, just unfortunate victims of the Kings self-inflicted numbers game.

Of the big guys, I think Byfield stays, one of Turcotte/Vilardi stays. I think Kupari is a goner. Personally I view the org's handling of JAD and Vilardi as signs they're gone.
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I usually agree with your observations on 100%.
Here I agree on 90%.
I hope you are wrong about Kupari and Vilardi and they will be on the team.
 
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