Once again, skidding into the playoffs...

[mclaren55]

I understand being frustrated and impatient but it is a little over the top here. We have threads made about how we're skidding into the playoffs when they have gone 8-1-1 in there last 10 games. You say they lost there first tough test excuse me didn't we just beat that same team a week ago but I guess that doesn't matter when you want to be negative all the time. Listen nobody gets more upset and pissed off than me when they lose in the playoffs but that doesn't mean I have to be negative all the time I would rather cheer for my favorite team . In addition don't patronize me about am I new here I am old enough to have seen them win their last cup that's how long I have been a fan I am willing to bet a lot longer than you.

To be fair, I made this post when they were 4-5-1 after having an amazing previous month. They are playing up to their potential now and I'm happy. I thought skidding was an appropriate term when going below .500 for a 10 game streak. I didn't know it would become such a polarizing statement. As stated before in this thread, I regret ever making this at this point.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Whether the exact record is factual or not is really irrelevant the fact is they have a very good record coming down the stretch and are once again a 100 point team they are not in fact "skidding" into the playoffs. You seem to be ignoring that fact. Also don't worry sunshine I don't need your help with anything.

So you want to brag about their record, but what their exact record is, is irrelevant. Got it.

 

[Da Mash]

We shall see what happens in the playoffs.

Personally I hate Berube system. Rather watch paint dry. I still watch the games like always and have it muted most times except when the leafs are on prime

We have a old slow team that Berube wants to play low level hockey. We constantly get outshot and outhit.
Our bottom six still sucks and Laughton never moved the needle at all so far.
This team relies on blocking shots, and having elite goaltending. We need our special teams to be elite also because if we struggle with either one of them then it becomes a long night.

Coaches should put players in position to succeed. I dont think Berube does the top six any favors. He has taken their sticks out of their hands and he mentioned all year he wouldn't.

We have some solid D but Reilly is still a thorn on our side and we constantly baby him. How many resources do we have to spend every year to babysit him?

Dubas really nailed picking Knies didnt he ? And developing McMann. Imagine not having those guys in the top 6?

We are winning and thats a good sign. Thanks to our goalies and solid D from Tanev, McCabe and Carlo.

We will struggle against the better teams. We cant handle fast teams and teams that forecheck aggressively as our D just bounces pucks off the board and we constantly are told to give up puck possessions by dumping it in.

Ottawa has our number and we struggle to contain them. It will be a series our goalies will have to win. IMHO. Have we even beaten Ottawa this year?

Berube system keeps every team in the game. There is rarely any dominations or blowouts by the leafs.
Playoffs will just be more of the same.

Our yrs past failures in the playoffs was always lack of scoring and our goalies giving up a bad goal here and there.

This year our goalies have been our MVP all year and hopefully they shine in the playoffs because we will again struggle to score. We better hope our PP is clicking.

 

[Gary Nylund]

To be fair, I made this post when they were 4-5-1 after having an amazing previous month. They are playing up to their potential now and I'm happy. I thought skidding was an appropriate term when going below .500 for a 10 game streak. I didn't know it would become such a polarizing statement. As stated before in this thread, I regret ever making this at this point.

It's funny how people ignore when this thread was made, look at the most recent games instead, and then they can't even get that right.

No need to regret making this thread. Some people are just too sensitive, I wouldn't worry about it. I mean the Marner thread jam packed with snowflakes but if all you did was worry about them, it would be impossible to have any intelligent discussion at all.

Last night they played pretty well, I have so say I'm a bit relieved cause had they lost that one, oh boy. It wasn't enough to make me forget about Tuesday though, holy smokes did we ever suck in that one. The good thing is that that we're all 0-0 soon enough and we probably won't have to play Florida right away and then we can call ourselves contenders, at least for a little while.

 

[mclaren55]

Ottawa has our number and we struggle to contain them. It will be a series our goalies will have to win. IMHO. Have we even beaten Ottawa this year?

IIRC, it was the same in the Sundin era. Ottawa would spank us regular season, then we would spank them in the playoffs. I really want them to be our first round matchup, I think they get caved in by us.

 

[Da Mash]

IIRC, it was the same in the Sundin era. Ottawa would spank us regular season, then we would spank them in the playoffs. I really want them to be our first round matchup, I think they get caved in by us.

That was the past and a long time ago.

I hope you are right but personally I dont think its a good matchup for us.

 

[pdson]

So you want to brag about their record, but what their exact record is, is irrelevant. Got it.

Never mind I'm done with you smartass. You just continue to be your miserable self

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Never mind I'm done with you smartass. You just continue to be your miserable self

You can't win when their only goal is to be mad/feel right about being mad regardless of the reality of things, and get outraged at anyone who doesn't agree with their hyper-negative outlook (which makes them feel more right). There is a handful of them whose sole purpose here is this. It's also this circle-jerk of anger that seems to, in my estimation, function as the the vehicle for the bulk of their social interactions.

 

[pdson]

You can't win when their only goal is to be mad/feel right about being mad regardless of the reality of things, and get outraged at anyone who doesn't agree with their hyper-negative outlook (which makes them feel more right). There is a handful of them whose sole purpose here is this. It's also this circle-jerk of anger that seems to, in my estimation, function as the the vehicle for the bulk of their social interactions.

Well said and I couldn't agree more. You wonder how they get through life being that way. It must be a miserable existence

 

[Gary Nylund]

Never mind I'm done with you smartass. You just continue to be your miserable self

I'm quite happy thanks. Big win last night which greatly improves our chances of not playing Florida in the 1st round, I yelled so loud when we won that I scared my wife, that hasn't happened in a long time. Soon our record will be 0-0 and the playoffs start, this one of my favorite times of the year, and the fact that we've played some really crappy hockey lately doesn't change that fact, but I don't feel like I have to pretend otherwise. Our entire season has been full of ups and downs, consistency have been elusive and again, as the playoffs approach I tend to not look so much at the W/L record, but rather at how the team is playing. We've played some good games but we've also played some real stinkers lately, that's just the reality of the situation, sorry if that upsets you.

You seem rather grouchy though. You're going to have a hard time going through life if you're going to get so upset when people look at things differently than you do. Have a good one.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You can't win when their only goal is to be mad/feel right about being mad regardless of the reality of things, and get outraged at anyone who doesn't agree with their hyper-negative outlook (which makes them feel more right). There is a handful of them whose sole purpose here is this. It's also this circle-jerk of anger that seems to, in my estimation, function as the the vehicle for the bulk of their social interactions.

You two are the only ones in the circle-jerk so far but as long as you're feeling happy ...

 

[Tak7]

Then you have to change the players I guess because run and gun wont win in the playoffs. To me I don’t see it as a testament to Matthews or any of our guys. It’s frustrating that they are un willing to adapt. We don’t have the mobility on the back end to play run and gun. One thing that really stood out to me about Florida’s game is, all their dmen can skate and make a great first pass. Their breakouts were tic-tac-toe perfect every time. Toronto’s d is handling grenades.

I fully agree that a change of style was necessary.

However, I do think they've over-compensated too heavily the other way, and it's actually hurting them.

They have a lot of guys on that roster who aren't suited for the dump and chase game. They also have a D-core that can't transition the puck up the ice.

When you combine those things together, you end up in situations where you don't have the puck a lot, which puts a ton of strain on your blueline and your goaltender.

When I talk about process - that's what I'm talking about. I don't see a process/style of play that can translate into prolonged playoff success.

 

[Donnie740]

You write this lengthy post berating me, and you don't even have your facts straight. Someone posted this 8-1-1 nonsense a few posts ago, you repeated the lie so telling you not to believe everything you read seemed reasonable. I was just trying to be helpful so that you don't make a fool of yourself again.

Check your facts, my friend.

Prior to the Florida road trip, Toronto had gone EIGHT (8) wins, ONE (1) regulation time loss and ONE (1) shootout loss. Which totals 8-1-1.

Following the Florida trip, Toronto has now gone NINE (9) wins, TWO (2) regulation time loses and ONE (1) shootout loss. Which totals 9-2-1.

I realize this doesn’t fit with the doom-and-gloom, skidding-into-the-playoffs, everything-is-bleak narrative that you and some other “fans” are incessantly trying to push.

But it’s impossible to argue with facts. And the cold hard fact is that prior to the mini road trip the Leafs were 8-1-1 and after concluding it they’re now 9-2-1.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Check your facts, my friend.

Prior to the Florida road trip, Toronto had gone EIGHT (8) wins, ONE (1) regulation time loss and ONE (1) shootout loss. Which totals 8-1-1.

Following the Florida trip, Toronto has now gone NINE (9) wins, TWO (2) regulation time loses and ONE (1) shootout loss. Which totals 9-2-1.

I realize this doesn’t fit with the doom-and-gloom, skidding-into-the-playoffs, everything-is-bleak narrative that you and some other “fans” are incessantly trying to push.

But it’s impossible to argue with facts. And the cold hard fact is that prior to the mini road trip the Leafs were 8-1-1 and after concluding it they’re now 9-2-1.


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[AvroArrow]

That was the past and a long time ago.

I hope you are right but personally I dont think its a good matchup for us.

I don't want either of Tampa or Florida in the first round, literally the 2 best teams in the East for like the past 5 years. They have 5 Cup final appearances and 3 cups between the 2 of them.

Florida especially is still a juggernaut, Tampa I think we would be the favorites but they have championship pedigree.

Ottawa is going to be tough too, young hungry team with a stud goaltender.

There isn't going to be an easy lay up series but given the options, I'd prefer Ottawa.

 

[Donnie740]

To be fair, I made this post when they were 4-5-1 after having an amazing previous month. They are playing up to their potential now and I'm happy. I thought skidding was an appropriate term when going below .500 for a 10 game streak. I didn't know it would become such a polarizing statement. As stated before in this thread, I regret ever making this at this point.

I commend you for acknowledging how foolishly shortsighted your thread was and expressing regret at your overreaction.

Most “fans” just continue pushing their ridiculous proclamations regardless of how nonsensical they’ve become. And then they typically disappear.

Hopefully this will be a learning experience for you about overreacting. A three game losing streak in the middle of the season isn’t grounds for a wholesale housecleaning of the franchise. Just as a three game win streak in the middle of the season shouldn’t have you booking flights and hotels for the Cup finals.

The key is to try and be objective.

Don’t feel too badly about it though - - there’s much more embarrassing assessments here than this one. Believe it or not, someone actually declared that Nik Grebenkin is a “blue chip prospect” in their desperate attempt to convince everyone that the Scott Laughton deal was a franchise crippling mistake.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't want either of Tampa or Florida in the first round, literally the 2 best teams in the East for like the past 5 years. They have 5 Cup final appearances and 3 cups between the 2 of them.

Florida especially is still a juggernaut, Tampa I think we would be the favorites but they have championship pedigree.

Ottawa is going to be tough too, young hungry team with a stud goaltender.

There isn't going to be an easy lay up series but given the options, I'd prefer Ottawa.

Yeah I've seen so many people say we match up well against TB and I get what they mean, or at least I think I do - we match up poorly against Florida for example. That said, TB is still very good, I would expect that series to be a tossup but Ottawa should be much easier to deal with. Whatever happens we'll see what the oddsmakers say but I'd expect we'd be a very small favorite against TB, but a pretty big favorite against Ottawa, maybe 2-1 or so.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I commend you for acknowledging how foolishly shortsighted your thread was and expressing regret at your overreaction.

Most “fans” just continue pushing their ridiculous proclamations regardless of how nonsensical they’ve become. And then they typically disappear.

Hopefully this will be a learning experience for you about overreacting. A three game losing streak in the middle of the season isn’t grounds for a wholesale housecleaning of the franchise. Just as a three game win streak in the middle of the season shouldn’t have you booking flights and hotels for the Cup finals.

The key is to try and be objective.

Don’t feel too badly about it though - - there’s much more embarrassing assessments here than this one. Believe it or not, someone actually declared that Nik Grebenkin is a “blue chip prospect” in their desperate attempt to convince everyone that the Scott Laughton deal was a franchise crippling mistake.

LOL. Yes father, so gracious and wise of you to scold people while twisting their words around.

Why are people so angry today? Last night was the biggest game of the year, and we won. Try to be happy, it shouldn't be that hard on a day like today.

 

[kevsh]

As of Thursday April 10th my bold prediction is that if the path out of the Atlantic does not involve facing the Panthers, I give the Leafs a 65% chance of making the Conference Final.

If they have to get past the Panthers, 15%. Realistically, less than that but as everyone here knows I'm nothing if not an optimist.

 

[mclaren55]

I commend you for acknowledging how foolishly shortsighted your thread was and expressing regret at your overreaction.

Most “fans” just continue pushing their ridiculous proclamations regardless of how nonsensical they’ve become. And then they typically disappear.

Hopefully this will be a learning experience for you about overreacting. A three game losing streak in the middle of the season isn’t grounds for a wholesale housecleaning of the franchise. Just as a three game win streak in the middle of the season shouldn’t have you booking flights and hotels for the Cup finals.

The key is to try and be objective.

Don’t feel too badly about it though - - there’s much more embarrassing assessments here than this one. Believe it or not, someone actually declared that Nik Grebenkin is a “blue chip prospect” in their desperate attempt to convince everyone that the Scott Laughton deal was a franchise crippling mistake.

You really shouldn't commend me, I never admitted to being short sighted. I stand by my conclusion of being ready for disappointment, and stand by the strength of our goaltending being the primary contributor to our success this year.

Maybe you can learn to not be an arrogant prick, and we can both walk away with "learning experiences".

 

[Donnie740]

As of Thursday April 10th my bold prediction is that if the path out of the Atlantic does not involve facing the Panthers, I give the Leafs a 65% chance of making the Conference Final.

If they have to get past the Panthers, 15%. Realistically, less than that but as everyone here knows I'm nothing if not an optimist.

If Toronto were to ever win the Cup without going through Florida, Leaf “fans” would self-impose an asterisk on the championship.

 

[sunstersun]

I dunno if we match up well against Tampa. I know Knies matches up well.

 

[AvroArrow]

As of Thursday April 10th my bold prediction is that if the path out of the Atlantic does not involve facing the Panthers, I give the Leafs a 65% chance of making the Conference Final.

If they have to get past the Panthers, 15%. Realistically, less than that but as everyone here knows I'm nothing if not an optimist.

15% is pretty generous lmao, Panthers at full health seem to dominate us. Last game was badly tilted in their favor, just hoping Tampa can take them out for us and if things go well in round 1, we get Tampa in the 2nd.

Panthers may finish 3rd in the division but they are without a doubt the top dog in the East.

 

[Gary Nylund]

15% is pretty generous lmao, Panthers at full health seem to dominate us. Last game was badly tilted in their favor, just hoping Tampa can take them out for us and if things go well in round 1, we get Tampa in the 2nd.

Panthers may finish 3rd in the division but they are without a doubt the top dog in the East.

15% seems pretty realistic actually, I'd say the 65% if we don't face Florida is the number that's way off.

Let's say we're 2-1 favorites against Ottawa and tossup against TB, that would give us about 33% instead of 65%.

Let's say were 2-1 favorites against Ottawa and 2-1 dogs against FLA, that would give us about 22% instead of 15%.

We'll probably be nowhere near 2-1 dogs again Florida anyway, and probably not quite 2-1 favorites against Ottawa but close enough for the sake of discussion.

 

[Madap]

I commend you for acknowledging how foolishly shortsighted your thread was and expressing regret at your overreaction.

Most “fans” just continue pushing their ridiculous proclamations regardless of how nonsensical they’ve become. And then they typically disappear.

Hopefully this will be a learning experience for you about overreacting. A three game losing streak in the middle of the season isn’t grounds for a wholesale housecleaning of the franchise. Just as a three game win streak in the middle of the season shouldn’t have you booking flights and hotels for the Cup finals.

The key is to try and be objective.

Don’t feel too badly about it though - - there’s much more embarrassing assessments here than this one. Believe it or not, someone actually declared that Nik Grebenkin is a “blue chip prospect” in their desperate attempt to convince everyone that the Scott Laughton deal was a franchise crippling mistake.

What’s getting you so worked up big guy? You’ve been really acting up the last few days.

Enjoy the leafs my friend. Almost playoffs and you can direct your anger towards Florida/Ottawa instead.