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Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

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People were prepping the refs excuse for when they lost. Instead the refs were very good and they switched to the injuries/suspended excuse instead.

I was happy with the reffing, it seemed pretty fair for the most part. Better than some of the earlier games, better than the womens games.
 
B Boarding said:
Nobody can, but it's more likely. That's why they have removed that possibility in every other international sport.
Let me explain this in a more simple way. You (let's call you mr A) live in a small town and end up in court against mr B. The best judge in town is mr C and everybody knows it. The problem is that he is related to mr B. Do you think the court would allow mr C to be the judge? Would you be ok with it?
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Well if Mr C had judged hundreds of cases involving Mr B and shown no bias in his judgements, I would not have a problem with Mr C being the Judge. Your comparing apples to oranges.
 
The Forsberg Complaint.

Peter Forsberg complained vociferously about Canadian officials presiding over the gold medal match.

With his complaints inferring that such would play out adversely and that there could be officiating bias in this game.

Was there? Did it matter?

Quick review;

Sweden had 3 minor penalties in the game and Canada 2. There were no disputed calls in the game.

Except I'll mention the most blatant infraction in the game took place when Berglund nailed Kunitz head on the top rail of the Swedish players bench. With blood flying. Even the Swedish players looked on kind of in shock..

Absolutely filthy dirty play. Berglund got a 2minute minor with Kunitz gushing blood.

I'd wonder how much he'd get with the kind of officials Forsberg was preferring.

So if anything the only controversy in the game was the lack of more severe sanction for Berglund. Say at least a double minor or 5 and a game.


What say Forsberg now? Probably nothing.
 
No matter the game. I want reffing from neutral countries in any sport with games played between states. It isn't really a tall order.
 
Blah, blah, blah. Bad winners are unattractive. People on HF need to learn to celebrate like the guys who actually won something today; with class.
 
He did it to draw attention to the referees and away from team Sweden.

He didn't believe it himself IMO,

Just a tactical move to maybe get some calls for Sweden.

Coaches do it all the time.
 
Pretty much 95% of the posts about officiating I've seen here have conceded that it's been fairly consistent and fair on the mens side. Especially those who watched womens hockey realized that it could be quite a bit worst. There's been some calls people have disagreed with but no outright blown calls.

The fact that Forsberg has said nothing implies that his prediction did not come true. If a blown call happened in Canada's favour I'm sure he'd have said "I told you so" by now.
 
The judges might be the most honest people in the World, but yet they are human and can make mistakes. Now imagine, they would make a mistake in Canada's favour in finals? It would create an outrage, and rightfully so. Why even create such a situation when you can just select people from neutral side?
It's like a person driving like crazy then thankfully not getting into accident and bragging about how I tol you so.
 
jfisher6 said:
What's the point of this thread? Expecting Forsberg to come in here and personally apologize to you?
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As if that's what I expected....:help:

How about a discussion?

Did it matter?

Did Forsberg have any reasonable complaint?

Was there inference by Forsberg that the Canadian officials (professionals in the best league on the planet) would exhibit biased officiating and or influence outcome?

Why did Forsberg speak to this? Is he saying anything now.

I just find it interesting.
 
It's the basic principle of all international sports that you have refs from a neutral country. Other than in international hockey, which is the exception here. Hence Forsberg's and a lot of media's statements regarding this. Could've easily avoided any speculation about bias by putting american NHL refs in the game.
 
He complained the day before the game, obviously he thought the refs did a better job than expected.

I think the refs did a great job but I have to say it's a bit weird how they couldn't find other refs than Canadians, really shows how small this sport is.
 
leeaf83 said:
Pretty much 95% of the posts about officiating I've seen here have conceded that it's been fairly consistent and fair on the mens side. Especially those who watched womens hockey realized that it could be quite a bit worst. There's been some calls people have disagreed with but no outright blown calls.

The fact that Forsberg has said nothing implies that his prediction did not come true. If a blown call happened in Canada's favour I'm sure he'd have said "I told you so" by now.
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Yep. But we haven't heard a peep from Forsberg since. Not sure if anybody has.

Its interesting that even the Swedish players playing in this game, and playing in the NHL didn't share (at all) Forsbergs sentiments.

Indeed I wonder if Forsberg would make such stated inference if he was a returning player to the NHL.
 
Replacement said:
Yep. But we haven't heard a peep from Forsberg since. Not sure if anybody has.

Its interesting that even the Swedish players playing in this game, and playing in the NHL didn't share (at all) Forsbergs sentiments.

Indeed I wonder if Forsberg would make such stated inference if he was a returning player to the NHL.
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Yeah, sometimes you don't say everything as you think.
 
His complaint is valid.

Refs are professional, they're also human.

Why bring yourself into a situation where it can bite you in the arse, why antagonize teams even before the game started.

Surely there are competent refs in the US, Sweden, Finland...
 
Garl said:
Yeah, sometimes you don't say everything as you think.
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Then why even be quoted on it in contrast to their countryman? A simple "no comment" would suffice. But clearly they didn't want to do that.

In anycase lets introduce some clarity to the discussion.

These are the officials to the games as were noted BEFORE the games.

http://www.nhlofficials.com/es2941/cat244/featured-nhloa-news/lang1

As we know officials are scheduled to work games and especially medal round games well in advance and as based on their seniority, expertise, experience.

Guess which in that list would be the best officials by nearly anybodies opinion? Guess where they are from?
 
Corto said:
His complaint is valid.

Refs are professional, they're also human.

Why bring yourself into a situation where it can bite you in the arse, why antagonize teams even before the game started.

Surely there are competent refs in the US, Sweden, Finland...
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Pure speculation on your part. One Swedish official is at the games and with this decided well in advance of the Olympics.

13 pro officials (from the NHL and most Canadian) were selected along with 15 amateur officials.

This was a known well in advance of the games. Where was Forsberg complaining when that was known?

Oh wait he wasn't. He likely lazily picked up a paper, read the officials that were scheduled to officiate the gold medal match the day before it occured and decided to have an angry media storm reaction without much thought.
 
Replacement said:
Then why even be quoted on it in contrast to their countryman? A simple "no comment" would suffice. But clearly they didn't want to do that.

In anycase lets introduce some clarity to the discussion.

These are the officials to the games as were noted BEFORE the games.

http://www.nhlofficials.com/es2941/cat244/featured-nhloa-news/lang1

As we know officials are scheduled to work games and especially medal round games well in advance and as based on their seniority, expertise, experience.

Guess which in that list would be the best officials by nearly anybodies opinion? Guess where they are from?
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Didn't want unnessecary speculation before the game? You should probably ask them.

And again, it's intrernational competition, you just don't create situation like that. It's easy for you to brag now, cause you're from Canada, you just won Gold Medal, and the majority of qualified referies are from Canada. That's because you guys dominate this sport. Congratulations!
There are qualified referies in other countries though. And for the sake of keeping everything honest, there should have been no canadian judges in final game. Otherwise, any unintentional mistake from them would be fishy. Thankfully for you, Canada was just way better than Sweden in this game, and referies were not put in the position to make a mistake and now you can act like Forsberg is some irrational idiot and everyhting was absolutely fine and should be like that infuture.
 
This for the unresearched opinion that the NHL refs overseeing the gold medal match should've been US officials.

hmmm There are hardly any. Of course I knew this when making the thread. I didn't even play in the NHL. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_on-ice_officials

I'll even be honest and do the legwork for the Forsberg argument . A case could be made for Brad Meier. But he calls games pretty similarly to the way any Canadian official would.

If anything the one contrast could be NA vs Euro officials calling games differently but with most member nations tending to be fine with officials being comprised largely from NA
 
Forsberg is the one that admitted that his team thru the torino game to Slovakia so they could avoid Canada in the quarters and play the swiss instead. losing on purpose and avoiding better competition is worse then what any ref would have done today. that if anything tars the Swedish gold medal. it was still so obvious. a 5-3 with lidstrom, Forsberg, sundin, alfreddson over a minute and not one shot attempted. hahahahah at least lose pretending your trying to win
 
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