Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)
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We can add the evidence of Canadian referees influencing the 2014 gold medal game to the evidence from 2002 and 2010... right?
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Would you look at that, the kindergarten has opened again.
The refs were good and thankfully there was no call in the end that could have caused controversy. Be happy and celebrate your gold, don't behave like bad winners.
You guys were bad losers before the puck even dropped for this game.
Dominated. No excuses available, so now Canadians are bad winners? Get real.
Sorry but this has nothing to do with the result of the game. It's the reputation of the UNBIASED North American refs that some Swedish newspaper tried to tarnish.
For the sake of discussion, let's hear it from Swedish fans, do you think the newspaper was wrong? YES or NO.
SurMartin
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We didn't want any controversy to be possible, that is not being a bad loser.
Bashing the loser is being a bad winner. [mod]
NO.
Because we did not want a ref from Canada or Sweden as it could make a call at the end of the game become controversial.
It did not happen, we should be happy about that. Go and celebrate, don't try to start a flamewar.
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I'm trying to start a discussion, because to me, from the start of this thread, I thought this was a non issue.
IIHF knows what it's doing, and for a local newspaper to try and cast shadows on the professionalism and the reputation of the officials of the federation is unacceptable.
I get that that could happen in any given game, sport, or event, but accusing people without basis before a game even starts is unacceptable and unsportsmanlike thing to do.
SurMartin
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Actually most of you were just doing the ol "HAH! What do you say now huh!?"
Most of us wrote that we belived the refs would be good and unbiased - and that they were. We are very happy about that.
But our stance on this subject hasn't and won't change. Having refs from one of the participating countries doesn't happen on this level in any other sports, it's unprofessional and enables the possibility of a controversy which would've been highly unnecessary as we had other american NHL-refs and rus/fin KHL-refs available who have been just as good in this tournament.
I have written this in about 20 comments now and still have to repeat myself every other hour...
Reffing was fine, non-issue, they let them play. Honestly they didn't have much of an impact anyways.
We will never know how you guys would react if the final was between Russia and Canada and all refs were from Russia .
And their answer was : well the best refs are from Russia and it was decided before the game started.
If you can try to honestly picture that then maybe you will understand. (or maybe you just can't)
In the end there is nothing you can do but I still want this changed to the next olympics and I'll do my little part and send a mail to IIHF saying just that !
And as for unbiased referees, I guess they all say they are unbiased but statistics show otherwise :
http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/999747/Why-do-home-teams-win.html
And their answer was : well the best refs are from Russia and it was decided before the game started.
If you can try to honestly picture that then maybe you will understand. (or maybe you just can't)
In the end there is nothing you can do but I still want this changed to the next olympics and I'll do my little part and send a mail to IIHF saying just that !
And as for unbiased referees, I guess they all say they are unbiased but statistics show otherwise :
http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/999747/Why-do-home-teams-win.html
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Actually most of you were just doing the ol "HAH! What do you say now huh!?"
Most of us wrote that we belived the refs would be good and unbiased - and that they were. We are very happy about that.
But our stance on this subject hasn't and won't change. Having refs from one of the participating countries doesn't happen on this level in any other sports, it's unprofessional and enables the possibility of a controversy which would've been highly unnecessary as we had other american NHL-refs and rus/fin KHL-refs available who have been just as good in this tournament.
Apparently the IIHF disagreed.
You keep repeating that it doesn't happen in any other sport, but it does. Baseball, Basketball, any judged sport at all.....
Perhaps we should concentrate on the sports where the refereeing and judging actually is an issue.
The refs did an excellent job, as expected. But that’s STILL BESIDE THE POINT. NO ONE could have GUARANTEED before the game that the chosen refs wouldn’t be biased. That is the point, not how it played out afterwards. The refs should’ve been disqualified because of their nationality, to exclude a very basic reason to potential partial judgement. The reason for this is to keep the sport free of corruption, as a pre emptive action. Of course the best refs in the world should play, but just not the games where their own nation is playing. By doing this you open up an OPPORTUNITY for corruption. No, I know corruption is not very likely at all, but that is also beside the point. The point is to EXCLUDE any opportunities for corruption and non-fair play.
It’s the same basic and very logical principle as for courts in all civilized countries, where a judge can’t have ANY ties what so ever to any of the two parts, just to avoid ANY suspicions of being biased. You just don’t go with the best judge if he’s got ties with either of the parts. That’s when you become a banana republic.
What I’m trying to say here is that international hockey, like ALL OTHER INTERNATIONAL SPORTS, need to implement pre emptive action for trying to guarantee 100% chance of fair play, and not to go with what VERY LIKELY would be ok and hope that it plays out OK afterwards. I need to repeat this over and over again: What was happening here is the EXCEPTION to all principles for international sports! And it makes IIHF, the national federations and international hockey look unprofessional.
OT: Best team won. Canada probably iced the best team all-time. Very impressive!
It’s the same basic and very logical principle as for courts in all civilized countries, where a judge can’t have ANY ties what so ever to any of the two parts, just to avoid ANY suspicions of being biased. You just don’t go with the best judge if he’s got ties with either of the parts. That’s when you become a banana republic.
What I’m trying to say here is that international hockey, like ALL OTHER INTERNATIONAL SPORTS, need to implement pre emptive action for trying to guarantee 100% chance of fair play, and not to go with what VERY LIKELY would be ok and hope that it plays out OK afterwards. I need to repeat this over and over again: What was happening here is the EXCEPTION to all principles for international sports! And it makes IIHF, the national federations and international hockey look unprofessional.
OT: Best team won. Canada probably iced the best team all-time. Very impressive!
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Thought the game was well reffed and I expected it to be. To blame this loss on the refs would be entirely ignorant, they did about as good a job as you can do considering the circumstances imo. Yes there were 3 Canadian refs but the IIHF elected them and the teams agreed upon them. They weren't why Sweden lost. I'd blame injuries more than anything.
Actually most of you were just doing the ol "HAH! What do you say now huh!?"
Most of us wrote that we belived the refs would be good and unbiased - and that they were. We are very happy about that.
But our stance on this subject hasn't and won't change. Having refs from one of the participating countries doesn't happen on this level in any other sports, it's unprofessional and enables the possibility of a controversy which would've been highly unnecessary as we had other american NHL-refs and rus/fin KHL-refs available who have been just as good in this tournament.
I have written this in about 20 comments now and still have to repeat myself every other hour...
You're the one perpetuating the alleged controversy. If you were fine with going with the best refs available, and not claiming that they might rig it, then there would be no controversy. It's not the IIHF causing a controversy. It's you
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Well, they went with the refs from the best league in the world. If the KHL were the best league in the world, then you would have a point. Or if there were multiple Russian refs in the NHL that were highly respected and experienced then I would have no issue with it.
And your link does not reference hockey once. Plus it's about home team bias, not nationality bias. I don't see how an article about umpires in baseball slightly favouring hte home team is at all comparable to Canadian refs refereeing a hockey game in Russia
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european posters simply refuse to answer the question why are european referees so bad they refuse to discuss it
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