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Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

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2525 said:
Even though I don't for a second believe a Canadian or Swedish ref officiating a Canada vs Sweden game would favour his home country (in fact I think there's a likelier chance he'll call it tighter against his home country to appear less biased) I agree with those that say why even risk the possibility of biased officials.

My solution is simple (as I am:laugh:)
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Or some variation of that.
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Yes, and this is an as equally important reason why a neutral ref should be selected.

Even though I'm confident that the ref won't affect the end result in today's game I have a hard time understanding why even take the risk.

There are actually studies (use google if you doubt me) that statistically indicates biased refereeing in European football/soccer i.e. that home teams (and big football teams) get fewer yellow cards and more free kicks etc.

I doubt there are studies on bias in refereeing your own country's team in an international game simply because that situation would never occur.
 
zorz said:
Canadian refs in the final with Team Canada are not a problem. The problem is it would never happen with any other team/nationality.
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And who's fault is that??

Seems that Canadians are being yet again lambasted for being great at something.

Blame the frigging iihf and your own lame federations. :rant:
 
YWGinYYZ said:
B Boarding: I don't see what that has to do with "Hockey in Canada". It was an IIHF decision that was agreed to by Sweden, Canada, the US and Finland.

While your point about the visuals regarding having a Canadian refereeing the final is good and valid, the fact of the matter is that it was NOT a Canadian decision and has nothing to do with "Hockey in Canada" - for you to suggest that is disingenuous and takes away from the crux of your argument, IMHO.

PS: someone not agreeing with your opinions does not == irrelevant response.
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Yes, it's true that IIHF made this decision, I stand corrected. But I would be very surprised if this decision was not made under pressure from NHL, to protect their assets, something that has been discussed here. That would be understandable but doesn't justify the decision, as it's sets hockey apart from all principles of international competition. And that is the point I'm trying to make here. The IIHF might not understand this and many Canadian posters doesn't seem to understand this. But the rest of the sports world does, that's why the upset.

It's just so unnecessary to put Canadian refs in a gold medal game where Canada is playing. No, Canada hasn't got any advantages so far from the refs and yes, these refs are probably the best. But to keep your sport free of potential corruption and gaining the respect that fair competition is being executed, you need to have refs that can't be suspected of having bias. It's truly one of the most basic principles in sport!! It would be so easy to put american NHL refs in this game and this discussion would never have to take place and international hockey wouldn't look like being a bush league.
 
Been a Canadian referee in every gold medal game since professionals were being used. Hasn't mattered who was playing. Can't recall there being that much of a fuss before. Why is there now?
 
B Boarding said:
Yes, it's true that IIHF made this decision, I stand corrected. But I would be very surprised if this decision was not made under pressure from NHL, to protect their assets, something that has been discussed here. That would be understandable but doesn't justify the decision, as it's sets hockey apart from all principles of international competition. And that is the point I'm trying to make here. The IIHF might not understand this and many Canadian posters doesn't seem to understand this. But the rest of the sports world does, that's why the upset.

It's just so unnecessary to put Canadian refs in a gold medal game where Canada is playing. No, Canada hasn't got any advantages so far from the refs and yes, these refs are probably the best. But to keep your sport free of potential corruption and gaining the respect that fair competition is being executed, you need to have refs that can't be suspected of having bias. It's truly one of the most basic principles in sport!! It would be so easy to put american NHL refs in this game and this discussion would never have to take place and international hockey wouldn't look like being a bush league.
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I think the problem is it's not an issue in North America. USA and Canada have met twice and I'm sure both games were reffed either by an American or Canadian ref....no one cared.

Other Olympics (1998, 2006) featured two European teams with Canadian or American Refs, and again no one cared because they weren't from the same country.

Perhaps things will change in 2018, but it's likely that no one thought that it would have been an issue.
 
B Boarding said:
It's just so unnecessary to put Canadian refs in a gold medal game where Canada is playing. No, Canada hasn't got any advantages so far from the refs and yes, these refs are probably the best. But to keep your sport free of potential corruption and gaining the respect that fair competition is being executed, you need to have refs that can't be suspected of having bias. It's truly one of the most basic principles in sport!! It would be so easy to put american NHL refs in this game and this discussion would never have to take place and international hockey wouldn't look like being a bush league.
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If it's so unnecessary and basic than why did Sweden team officials sign off on it? If they thought it was a problem they should have told the IIHF to pick other officials. I don't know how this fact hasn't killed this thread yet.

Both Canada and Sweden team officials have to sign off on game-official assignments for the final.
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the vinyl version said:
If it's so unnecessary and basic than why did Sweden team officials sign off on it? If they thought it was a problem they should have told the IIHF to pick other officials. I don't know how this fact hasn't killed this thread yet.
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Oh - its been brought up - Ad Nauseam :shakehead

I don't think there's anything we can do about it. It will run it's course in a few days, and will remain dormant until the next time Sweden plays international hockey.

Folks with a problem with this need to find the guy who signed off on this, and ask HIM or HER WHY?
 
Gustavo Fring said:
What, an actual poster willing to see how maybe it doesn't look so good? :handclap:
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Howd that American ref help out team USA yesterday against Finland?

this entire thread is hilarious, looking for excuses about what might happen. I think that the players should not use American controlled equipment because of the kill switches the Americans have implemented to cause the catastrophic failures at key times.

if there is something to moan about before the game starts, its a million times more likely to be the ice which goes bad so quick.

if NHL participation is to continue, I don't see this changing any time soon.
 
My best advise to anyone complaining about the officiating is to wait until the game is actually called before you cry foul play. This goes for Forsberg too.
 
boozeash said:
My best advise to anyone complaining about the officiating is to wait until the game is actually called before you cry foul play. This goes for Forsberg too.
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Agreed - what a low rent thing to do just before a game. I never liked that guy - great player - but a bigger whiner than Crosby.

Look at him in this picture - was he actually so upset he was crying?

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http://olympics.cbc.ca/news/article...-canadians-selected-ref-men-hockey-final.html
 
The right question now should be - what action can we take to ensure this doesn't happen in the future.

I mean those of us who doesn't like this.

Protest by mail to IIHF ?
 
matsqq said:
The right question now should be - what action can we take to ensure this doesn't happen in the future.

I mean those of us who doesn't like this.

Protest by mail to IIHF ?
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How about develop your own refs that are as good as the Canadian and American refs so this is a non-issue.

Why would the IIHF take inferior refs that are more likely to call the game wrong
 
Davebo said:
And who's fault is that??

Seems that Canadians are being yet again lambasted for being great at something.

Blame the frigging iihf and your own lame federations. :rant:
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I blame organizers of course.
 
European refs sucks. The games would be far worse. Canadians and Americans have the best refs and the world, they should be use and people that don't understand that can cry all they want.
 
Three penalties against Sweden through the first two periods and only one against Canada... Are these refs trying to hand the game to the Canadians?
 
modofan said:
Yes, and this is an as equally important reason why a neutral ref should be selected.

Even though I'm confident that the ref won't affect the end result in today's game I have a hard time understanding why even take the risk.

There are actually studies (use google if you doubt me) that statistically indicates biased refereeing in European football/soccer i.e. that home teams (and big football teams) get fewer yellow cards and more free kicks etc.

I doubt there are studies on bias in refereeing your own country's team in an international game simply because that situation would never occur.
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The best refs and linesman are selected for the final. This was clearly the best group. Would you rather have Peel? You saw that group in the semis and they were considerably worse
 
Refs were an absolute non factor tonight like we all knew they would be. If there was a questionable call it was the Kunitz one against us. Should quiet the naysayers.
 
We'll guess this turned out to be a total non issue and unlike the ridiculous European refs from the woman's final we got a decently called game
 
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