I'd wager a large sum of money that the loudest barkers on twitter have never watched boxing before in their lives. They just probably assume it's only about who hits the hardest.
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Beau Knows
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Really happy to see her win after all the bullshit she endured.
The biggest locks in boxing were the Uzbek world champions, especially Jalolov in men's super heavyweight. Hasn't lost a fight at the Olympics or the World Championships since the 2015 WC semifinal and an undefeated professional career with a KO in every match to go with it.
Somewhat interesting by the way that as good as no one brings up Lin although her final was significantly more ferocious with the opponent left bloodied and all. [MOD]
Somewhat interesting by the way that as good as no one brings up Lin although her final was significantly more ferocious with the opponent left bloodied and all. [MOD]
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Johnny Rifle
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That’s absolutely true, but it’s also true that males have quicker reaction time and quicker hand-eye coordination than women in general.
I do think some of the outrage is misplaced, but the fact at the two boxers who may have XY chromosomes won gold medals cannot be discounted. Correlation does not always imply causation, but it does a great deal of the time.
The real question is how much chromosomal abnormality should be allowed in athletic events. If the X-Men comics were true, could Wolverine compete in the Olympics? What of past female champions who were dominant, should we run tests on them?
Truth there are more questions than answers.
Nah the truth is that sophists trying to make trans athletes an issue needed some evidence and had to make a reach.
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And that was a shock. Would never happen in France. Especially without the Russians.
Riner spent 10 years without defeat. He has a 96% win ratio over his 19 year career, including a few losses directly linked to injuries.
Height is determined by chromosomes 9q22 and Xq24. If abnormalities allow players to be, I don't know, 7'4, should they be disqualified?
I agree the IOC needs to come out after these olympics and have a more definitive guideline in terms of who genetically "qualified" (for lack of better term), but at this point the two boxers were well within their right to compete and I hope they both sue the living shit out of the loudest barkers who don't actually care about the sport or if there is a legitimate danger and more about the opportunity to engagement farm for money. Anyone can see that the vast majority of the assholes leading the charge online are doing to for selfish reasons.
I'd say a fairly safe lock was Katzberg in the Hammer.
Magneto was right, even the meer thought of mutants have humans scared!
Uncle Rotter
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Odd you would consider someone who has never won a World Championship or Olympics to be a gold medal lock
Taro Tsujimoto
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Looks like it (and hopefully more folks get added to the list, too).
Johnny Rifle
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A lawsuit would probably also force Khelif to prove that what Musk, Rowling, etc. isn’t true, which could backfire spectacularly.
All they need is to demonstrate that the comments constituted harassment that affected the victim's living conditions and/or mental health, which appears evident.
What if it is proven that she should not have been competing and politics got in the way of that process being done in a reasonable manner?
"Every person has the right to practise sport without discrimination.
All athletes participating in the boxing tournament of the Olympic Games Paris 2024 comply with the competition’s eligibility and entry regulations, as well as all applicable medical regulations set by the Paris 2024 Boxing Unit (PBU). As with previous Olympic boxing competitions, the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport.
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Eligibility rules should not be changed during ongoing competition, and any rule change must follow appropriate processes and should be based on scientific evidence."
So I understand the eligibility rule for the Olympic Women's Boxing was that the athlete had "female" stamped on their passport. There was not a process to go deeper than that in order to determine if there was genetic considerations that would make that athlete ineligible for the women's category.
Should there be genetic considerations? If so, what if the boxer would not have been eligible based on those genetic considerations. Would that not make some of the criticisms made about the situation warranted? Especially if they were aimed at those who were bringing irrelevant talking points like "Trans" to defend the presence of the athlete in the women's competition.
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Jussi
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I repeat, there is zero evidence of Khelif being male or having male chromosomes or even high testosterone levels (they do test those at the Olympics, IIRC). Questioning it means you've fallen for the corrupt IBA leaderships disinformation campaign against her.
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Beau Knows
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What politics? What are you even talking about it? They have rules and regulations, we don't have any evidence that she's broken any of them or that anyone interfered in some shady way to allow her to compete.
The only reason this has become "political" is thanks to the weirdos harassing her, lying about her, calling her trans because they need a trans boogeyman to attack. It didn't matter to them that she wasn't even trans, the point was to rile up the online nutjobs and try to make it into a broader political issue.
You don't think that the IOC is not taking a position that inclusion is more important than safety/competitive fairness concerns?
Beau Knows
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Not sure if this question is intentionally written in a confusing way
No, I don't think that allowing a woman to compete with other women in a boxing tournament is putting "inclusion" over safety.
I have no problem with people recognizing that sex/gender are more complex than just male/female and participating in a productive conversation to decide if there should be any changes to the rules for the next Olympics. There's no reason the governing bodies, scientists, Khelif and others couldn't be invited to a civil conversation to discuss the complexities of all of this and try to decide what to do for future Olympic events.
But what's happened here is a disgrace. She just won an Olympic gold medal and instead of being able to celebrate it she's been harassed, bullied and been the victim of baseless lies. Imagine how dehumanizing it must be reaching the top of your profession, only to have people spread lies about what's between your legs and shame you online for it. We have no evidence that she's ever done anything wrong here - she was born a woman, raised a woman, became a world class boxer and managed to win gold while going through all of this bullshit.
She's had the former President of the United States (who is running again), the richest man in the world, the richest author in the world and countless other influential people all participate in spreading lies about her being a man or being trans, at time when trans people are often the target of violent crime.
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