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Player Discussion Oliver Kylington

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Double Dion said:
Again, put their name on the contract or move them at the deadline. How many times do we need to be taught this lesson? I don't care how much they say they want to be here. Put your name on the paper or go buy some uhaul boxes.

This isn't the end of the world organizationally, but it's frustrating we keep not learning from this.
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I understand your point but did he have any real trade value at the TDL?
 
I think that as soon as Kylington wanted to test the market, Conroy had to just move on and assume he was gone. Now he doesn't have a spot.

Maybe he'll sign here for peanuts after no one else is interested in giving him term?
 
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Volica said:
Don’t think he’d be worth more than a 5-6th at the past deadline anyway. No real loss there.
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I had him at a 3rd or 4th but that's not a huge difference. Pospisil was a 4th, Gaudreau was a 4th, Brodie was a 4th. Wolf was a 7th, we drafted a damn fine prospect in the 5th this year. It's more the principal of it too than the actual return.
 
Rubi said:
I understand your point but did he have any real trade value at the TDL?
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Real value? Not substantial value, but we gave up a 5th for Ohotiuk. Miller got a 4th, Peeke a 3rd, E Johnson a 4th, Ruhwedel a 4th, Stetcher a 4th. I'd have a hard time believing Kylington brings back less than any of those guys.
 
I think Ollie might have played himself/got bad advice from an agent. If he signed for a year here and continues to play, I am 100% positive the Flames would have given him an extension for multiple years.

With respect to his situation, he essentially took the last 2 years off, I don't see many teams lining up to sign him.

Columbus only has 4 guys signed so there are still teams out there with spots available for him.
 
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Why don't we pick up Cody Ceci instead? Edmonton seems desperate to dump him for cap.
 
Anglesmith said:
I think that as soon as Kylington wanted to test the market, Conroy had to just move on and assume he was gone. Now he doesn't have a spot.

Maybe he'll sign here for peanuts after no one else is interested in giving him term?
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There is still a spot IMO, right now 2 of Bahl, Miromanov & Bean are in the top 4, and Hanley is still in as the #8, who we could waive and demote.
 
Lunatik said:
More stressful than the Canadian media? I doubt it. Kylington would be best off in a place where hockey isn't #1
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Kylington seemed to be universally loved by the team/fans and was probably the easiest player on the team to root for. If anything, knowing the situation, i think leaving Calgary will incur more stress (media/fan reception) I mean, look how a lot of people are reacting to him testing free agency already (calgarypuck sure isn't taking it well lmao)
 
Deen said:
Why don't we pick up Cody Ceci instead? Edmonton seems desperate to dump him for cap.
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Sounds like Conroy isn’t interested in more dmen atm.

Besides that, if they aren’t giving up a premium to get rid of him, I’d rather they not do the Oilers any favours.
 
tmurfin said:
Sounds like Conroy isn’t interested in more dmen atm.

Besides that, if they aren’t giving up a premium to get rid of him, I’d rather they not do the Oilers any favours.
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On closer inspection.... these are loafers.
 
Still believes he signs here, Kylington is getting the rude awakening that you can’t take a year and a half off no matter how good the reason and expect a significant investment, and he’s not young enough for a bad team to take that chance on him. Think he circles back and Calgary gets him a 1-2 year contract for good money.
 
SO he didn't sign because he wanted a raise from his previous contract that he didn't earn?
Wonder if we even offer the 2.5 X 2, or if it goes down now.
 
The guys on the radio this morning were being pretty hard on Oliver; and I somewhat agree with the sentiment.

The team was very patient with the young man, and while he owes the team nothing... not sure exactly where he thought he was due for a raise. His single good season is three seasons removed in a what-have-you-done-for-me-recently type league. Calgary also represents the best place for someone like Kylington to maximize his value. Where else was he going to have a guaranteed 18-22 minutes a night to showcase? Teams that'll be looking for him now will be looking at single years, having him as a depth guy.

Hate to say it for Kylington, but he might be looking at a PTO now rather than a guaranteed two years Calgary was offering him.
 
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Volica said:
The guys on the radio this morning were being pretty hard on Oliver; and I somewhat agree with the sentiment.

The team was very patient with the young man, and while he owes the team nothing... not sure exactly where he thought he was due for a raise. His single good season is three seasons removed in a what-have-you-done-for-me-recently type league. Calgary also represents the best place for someone like Kylington to maximize his value. Where else was he going to have a guaranteed 18-22 minutes a night to showcase? Teams that'll be looking for him now will be looking at single years, having him as a depth guy.

Hate to say it for Kylington, but he might be looking at a PTO now rather than a guaranteed two years Calgary was offering him.
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Agreed on the whole. Some of these guys have absolutely terrible agents and I suspect that weighed into how this has worked out so far for Oliver.
 
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InfinityIggy said:
Agreed on the whole. Some of these guys have absolutely terrible agents and I suspect that weighed into how this has worked out so far for Oliver.
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That said, if he knows/believes the Flames offer is still on the table, it doesn't hurt to look around. I wouldn't be shocked if Conroy told him the offer would be on the table for a certain amount of time if Connie believes it's the best Kylington will get.
 
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I don't think there has been any rumours about Kylington? I think at this point he's gonna come back and sign with Flames.
 
I think the Bean signing was kind of a sign Kylington won’t be back. Puck-moving D at similar ages - seems like an obvious replacement (poor man’s) to me.

I mean, why would we enter the season with Weegar, Andersson, Bean, Bahl, Miromanov, Pachal, Solovyov, Kylington, Hanley, Kuznetsov, and Grushnikov all likely competing for some kind of role on the team? Solovyov is waiver eligible, so you’re pretty certain he’ll stick around in some capacity. Maybe it’s bold to assume Pachal clears, but if Kylington is back, it makes it near impossible for one of Brusztewicz or Jurmo to find minutes even in the AHL.

NHL (7): Weegar, Andersson, Bahl, Kylington, Bean, Miromanov, Solovyov

AHL (8): Brusztewicz, Kuznetsov, Grushnikov, Hanley, Aspirot, Pachal, Poirier, Jurmo
 
User1996 said:
I think the Bean signing was kind of a sign Kylington won’t be back. Puck-moving D at similar ages - seems like an obvious replacement (poor man’s) to me.

I mean, why would we enter the season with Weegar, Andersson, Bean, Bahl, Miromanov, Pachal, Solovyov, Kylington, Hanley, Kuznetsov, and Grushnikov all likely competing for some kind of role on the team? Solovyov is waiver eligible, so you’re pretty certain he’ll stick around in some capacity. Maybe it’s bold to assume Pachal clears, but if Kylington is back, it makes it near impossible for one of Brusztewicz or Jurmo to find minutes even in the AHL.

NHL (7): Weegar, Andersson, Bahl, Kylington, Bean, Miromanov, Solovyov

AHL (8): Brusztewicz, Kuznetsov, Grushnikov, Hanley, Aspirot, Pachal, Poirier, Jurmo
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The Flames tend prefer having 8 Defensemen on the roster.

Weegar - Andersson
Bahl - Kylington
Solovyov/Bean - Miromanov
Pachal

And of course guys like Kylington & Grushnikov may be recalled when there are injuries.
 
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