Player Discussion Oliver Kylington

[Ginger Papa]

Hi everyone,

Just dropping by to say that it’s been great watching this young man show his talent. Thank you to @super6646 for the Posts on the Main Board.

Cheers

 

[Volica]

First of all, if I'm @ing you here, don't take it personally or as a callout. I just find some of these comments amusing in retrospect. Take it with a laugh.

I still take Hanifin or Andersson; so not sure what your point is for me. I get it that you want to be right so bad. I get it. You make outlandish hot takes for years, when a couple pan out you’re walking on water.

Without sounding like an asshole. You’re under 22 years old right?

 

[cheechoo]

He just has that "it" factor. It's hard to quantify. The only other guy on this roster with it is Gaudreau.

 

[Volica]

He just has that "it" factor. It's hard to quantify. The only other guy on this roster with it is Gaudreau.

He’s likely the best pure skater we have on the roster, and the guy that has that real willingness to take a chance, which pops on this mostly safe, vanilla D.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I still take Hanifin or Andersson; so not sure what your point is for me. I get it that you want to be right so bad. I get it. You make outlandish hot takes for years, when a couple pan out you’re walking on water.

Without sounding like an asshole. You’re under 22 years old right?

Yes you do sound like an asshole, even insofar as how you frame my observations as "outlandish hot takes" just because you disagreed with them in the past.

Sam Bennett was a 4th overall pick. It wasn't an outlandish hot take to say he should be playing in the spot where every team plays their 4th overall pick. Especially when year-after-year he was showing all the traits that he was drafted for.

Oliver Kylington was one of the most talented players in his draft class who fell for identifiable reasons, which are addressed almost immediately and he showed significant strides almost immediately to quell those concerns.

Taking the cautious approach in your assessments isn't this perceived "wisdom" your ego tells you it is. It's more of an outlandish hot take to, on this day, say you'd still take Andersson or Hanifin.

 

[Volica]

Yes you do sound like an asshole, even insofar as how you frame my observations as "outlandish hot takes" just because you disagreed with them in the past.

Sam Bennett was a 4th overall pick. It wasn't an outlandish hot take to say he should be playing in the spot where every team plays their 4th overall pick. Especially when year-after-year he was showing all the traits that he was drafted for.

Oliver Kylington was one of the most talented players in his draft class who fell for identifiable reasons, which are addressed almost immediately and he showed significant strides almost immediately to quell those concerns.

Taking the cautious approach in your assessments isn't this perceived "wisdom" your ego tells you it is. It's more of an outlandish hot take to, on this day, say you'd still take Andersson or Hanifin.

I was bang on the age tho rite?

 

[super6646]

I still take Hanifin or Andersson; so not sure what your point is for me. I get it that you want to be right so bad. I get it. You make outlandish hot takes for years, when a couple pan out you’re walking on water.

Without sounding like an asshole. You’re under 22 years old right?

Yes you do sound like an asshole, even insofar as how you frame my observations as "outlandish hot takes" just because you disagreed with them in the past.

Sam Bennett was a 4th overall pick. It wasn't an outlandish hot take to say he should be playing in the spot where every team plays their 4th overall pick. Especially when year-after-year he was showing all the traits that he was drafted for.

Oliver Kylington was one of the most talented players in his draft class who fell for identifiable reasons, which are addressed almost immediately and he showed significant strides almost immediately to quell those concerns.

Taking the cautious approach in your assessments isn't this perceived "wisdom" your ego tells you it is. It's more of an outlandish hot take to, on this day, say you'd still take Andersson or Hanifin.

You can just feel the tension here. Maybe you 2 should get a room and make up with each other lmao.

 

[unitedstars87]

Stud.

 

[DFF]

First of all, if I'm @ing you here, don't take it personally or as a callout. I just find some of these comments amusing in retrospect. Take it with a laugh.

Hahaha revenge of the OKG. You are entitled to that.

but before calling me out, Klingberg had 67 pt season, don’t you want to wait till Kylington gets there first?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I was in love ever since the YouTube video.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Klingberg had 67 pt season, don’t you want to wait till Kylington gets there first?

He's already better defensively than the soft Klingberg has ever been so I'm really looking well past Klingberg at this point towards legitimate two-way stars. And unless I'm remembering wrong Klingberg's 67 point season happened playing in Lindy Ruff's crazy high event run n gun system, I don't expect any D to do that in a Sutter system (just look at Drew Doughty in Sutter years vs non-Sutter years)

 

[DFF]

He's already better defensively than the soft Klingberg has ever been so I'm really looking well past Klingberg at this point towards legitimate two-way stars. And unless I'm remembering wrong Klingberg's 67 point season happened playing in Lindy Ruff's crazy high event run n gun system, I don't expect any D to do that in a Sutter system (just look at Drew Doughty in Sutter years vs non-Sutter years)

I live in Dallas and I agreed that klinberg is soft and not good defensively but Kylington makes mistakes every game . Goal is for him to eliminate those mistakes with more experience. If he doesn’t clean that up, he will never be a true #1

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I live in Dallas and I agreed that klinberg is soft and not good defensively but Kylington makes mistakes every game . Goal is for him to eliminate those mistakes with more experience. If he doesn’t clean that up, he will never be a true #1

I do think he’s hand down our best Dman, and honestly it’s not really close. Crazy how he can go from a #7 to a #1 in a matter of weeks. The nice thing with Oliver is he doesn’t lack any confidence. He just needed the opportunity.

Sam was a little different. He really needed to feel like the entire team and coaches believed in him, that’s where he gets criticized. But as a coach, you need to pull different strings with different players and Sam should have been made feel he had every chance and all the ability to be our best forward. Oliver isn’t going look back. He’s just going to keep getting better because he’s got so much swagger.

 

[DFF]

I do think he’s hand down our best Dman, and honestly it’s not really close. Crazy how he can go from a #7 to a #1 in a matter of weeks. The nice thing with Oliver is he doesn’t lack any confidence. He just needed the opportunity.

Sam was a little different. He really needed to feel like the entire team and coaches believed in him, that’s where he gets criticized. But as a coach, you need to pull different strings with different players and Sam should have been made feel he had every chance and all the ability to be our best forward. Oliver isn’t going look back. He’s just going to keep getting better because he’s got so much swagger.

He is certainly our only guy with #1 potential

I am just saying he has some work to be a true #1

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I live in Dallas and I agreed that klinberg is soft and not good defensively but Kylington makes mistakes every game . Goal is for him to eliminate those mistakes with more experience. If he doesn’t clean that up, he will never be a true #1

Kylington's mistakes are overblown, all high scoring D make mistakes. Brent Burns led the league in giveaways the year he had 70+ pts. Makar, Hughes, Fox make a ton of mistakes every game.

Kylington was unlucky to have coughed up the leafs goal yesterday - he clearly wanted to lift it much higher - it wasn't an IQ mistake just an execution mistake which happens especially when you don't have special teams time to really stay sharp.

What Kylington needs to do to be a #1 isn't on him, it's on the coaches to utilize him as a #1 (so far they're using him like a #4 which is not smart)

Now if he wants the Norris trophy, he will need at least a year or two of experience in a #1 role to get even better, and the game will "open up" and "slow down" to a point where his execution will be flawless. Just needs a chance.

 

[DFF]

Kylington's mistakes are overblown, all high scoring D make mistakes. Brent Burns led the league in giveaways the year he had 70+ pts. Makar, Hughes, Fox make a ton of mistakes every game.

Kylington was unlucky to have coughed up the leafs goal yesterday - he clearly wanted to lift it much higher - it wasn't an IQ mistake just an execution mistake which happens especially when you don't have special teams time to really stay sharp.

What Kylington needs to do to be a #1 isn't on him, it's on the coaches to utilize him as a #1 (so far they're using him like a #4 which is not smart)

Now if he wants the Norris trophy, he will need at least a year or two of experience in a #1 role to get even better, and the game will "open up" and "slow down" to a point where his execution will be flawless. Just needs a chance.

I actually agree with you. I think he can be better than Klingerg. I just think he has some development to do.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I actually agree with you. I think he can be better than Klingerg. I just think he has some development to do.

I agree he's not a finished product. Duncan Keith already had over 320 games of NHL experience entering his age 26 season (when he won the Norris, though most would still have taken Pronger or Lidstrom over him back then)

Kylington is in his age 24 season and has 108 games of experience. If he plays about 60 more games this year and around 70 games next year, it'll be a ton of development towards his ceiling.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I do think he’s hand down our best Dman, and honestly it’s not really close. Crazy how he can go from a #7 to a #1 in a matter of weeks. The nice thing with Oliver is he doesn’t lack any confidence. He just needed the opportunity.

Sam was a little different. He really needed to feel like the entire team and coaches believed in him, that’s where he gets criticized. But as a coach, you need to pull different strings with different players and Sam should have been made feel he had every chance and all the ability to be our best forward. Oliver isn’t going look back. He’s just going to keep getting better because he’s got so much swagger.

Oliver has been great but maybe a little credit to the guy he is playing with? Who has an impressive resume of elevating young offensively skilled D partners? I was about as low on Kylington as anyone and even I called the obvious fit of those two together.

 

[crackdown44]

Not only am I an avid Kylington simp for quite some time now, I’m also a certified Hanifin hater

Love this thread Oli is a stud (I call him Oli because we’re friends you wouldn’t get it)

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Oliver has been great but maybe a little credit to the guy he is playing with? Who has an impressive resume of elevating young offensively skilled D partners? I was about as low on Kylington as anyone and even I called the obvious fit of those two together.

Tanev absolutely deserves credit for being a perfect complement.

Every #1 had a partner who made him better (and vice versa), especially in their winning years.

Keith had a perfectly managed combination of Seabrook and Hjalmarsson depending on game situation.
Doughty had Willie Mitchell
Lidstrom had Brian Rafalski
Karlsson had Marc Methot.
Giordano had TJ Brodie.
Letang had/has Brian Dumoulin.
Burns had Paul Martin.
Darnell Nurse has Connor McDavid to carry his ass.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Oliver has been great but maybe a little credit to the guy he is playing with? Who has an impressive resume of elevating young offensively skilled D partners? I was about as low on Kylington as anyone and even I called the obvious fit of those two together.

I absolutely agree. I will just say though that Tanev is what he is and he plays his role so well. He’s the perfect partner for Kylington. I just don’t see another defender on our team that can do what Oliver does. But yes, Tanev deserves a lot of credit.

 

[Mobiandi]

Tanev had some stinky plays last night that could have been goals against if Kylington didn't hustle back to stop the breakaways.

I think both bring out the best in each other. Both are more adventurous with the puck (it's been nice seeing Tanev activate) because they have confidence in their partner.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

He's averaging 0.69 points per game.

Nice.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

He's averaging 0.69 points per game.

Nice.

I’ll never forget at the draft how happy we were to get him. We wanted him at 15 I think?

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I’ll never forget at the draft how happy we were to get him. We wanted him at 15 I think?

Well, I wanted Barzal to fall to us but assumed he'd definitely be gone in the top 10. I believed Kylington, Brock Boeser or Kyle Connor would have been great consolation prizes (and in retrospect - YES! though I slept on Chabot, and I still think Chabot might be a bit overrated from getting big minutes on a bad team)

Barzal did fall to us, but we traded our pick for dougie hamilton.

We could have come out of that draft with

Barzal
Sprong
Andersson
Kylington

2018-19 Flames in another timeline where Trader Tre doesn't waive, trade or sign anyone except a #4RD and a goalie:

Gaudreau - Bennett - Ferland
Tkachuk - Barzal - Sprong
Monahan - Backlund - Byron
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Hathaway

Giordano - Brodie
Kylington - #4RD
Valimaki - Andersson

Rittich
Goalie

I guess Derek Ryan would have been an upgrade on Janko but eh, 4C

Also I would have drafted Liljegren over Juuso in 2017 personally but eh