Player Discussion Oliver Kylington

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Much easier and simpler to believe the Flames didn't have much faith in him. Peters had him playing on the bottom pairing up until Treliving threw away a bunch of picks on pointless journeymen defensemen at two successive deadlines. Treliving's also reportedly tried to trade him a bunch of times. Ward just flat out didn't like him (nor Bennett).

I don't agree with everything Sutter's does and has done but it's pretty clear he's evolved a lot since 2005, a trait you'll generally only see in elite coaches. Since LA, he seems to recognize the importance of speed and having puck-moving defensemen in the modern game.

To be honest, outside of Sutter, I'm not convinced the organization still has a lot of faith in him. And then even, Sutter hasn't been shy with his criticism.

It's hilarious that the only guy who regularly played him, Bill Peters, resigned because of racial abuse against black player(s). Hilarious in a dark way, but Peters was the only one who ever played with, Gulutzan or Ward never did and thankfully Sutter isn't an idiot so he's playing him.

Like, how do you keep one of the better skaters IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE let alone the Flames in the press box? Have him play and if he makes a mistake f***ing coach him and teach him so he improves. f***ing hate(d) watching these washed up bums get traded for (or signed) and immediately take Ollie's spot. Even this year Treliving still went full muppet and traded draft capital for Zadorov and had to bring back Stone (who I'd have in for Zad every day and you guys know how much I dislike Stone).
 

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What is his contract status?

Might as well him the Andersson contract now or it could get pricey. He becomes a multi millionaire. We get our second top pair LD under contract long term. That’s a win win
He’s still an RFA. I’d imagine he will want a bit of term, instead of another 1-2 year contract. If the Flames could lock him up at 2.5mil x 3 years or 3mil x 4 years I’d be ecstatic.
 
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He was always a long term project prospect from the day he was drafted. And despite the misgivings we have had about how the Flames have developed him and where and when they use him(which there have been many), he is now thriving in the NHL.

I kind of hate to give credit to the Flames for this one but I think they might actually deserve some. Kyller's game has come a long long ways in the last couple years. Used to get pushed off the puck easily and try to force things through layers of defense. He's developed a great sense of when to risk and when to play it safe. He deserves a lot of credit as well but I think the organization does too for displaying patience.

Now extend him before it becomes too obvious he is a star top pairing dman.
 

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Nah, I am more than happy to pay him when he becomes #1. Keep him hungry so he can work hard to get there. 8 games is not enough to collect a lifetime package.
 
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Nah, I am more than happy to pay him when he becomes #1. Keep him hungry so he can work hard to get there. 8 games is not enough to collect a lifetime package.

With what caproom lol

Mangiapane
Kylington
Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Eichel

how we gonna pay all five guys if we can't get anyone on a discount.
 
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Monahan + Dube + Zary/Coronato + picks for Eichel
Mangiapane 6yrs x 6M
Kylington 3yrs x 3.5M
Lucic gets his 3M bonus and then disappears

Forwards:
8.5 - 10 - 4.9
8.5 - 4.85 - 6
0.9 - 5.35 - 1.75
0.8 - 0.8 - 0.8
0.8
0.8

Total = 54.75

Defense:
4.95 - 4.55
3.5 - 4.5
1.55 - 1.0
0.8

Total = 20.85

Goalies:
6
0.75

Total = 6.75

Total total = 82.35
Cap space = 0.15

Don't see the problem. Gives the team a full two year window to win at which point, Backlund, Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin and Kylington are all up for new deals. But at that point, the cap will be like 90M+ if things go well and the organization should have cheaper internal replacements for Backlund, Tanev and maybe Hanifin.

If Tkachuk and Gaudreau are adamant about getting 9M each, then instead of Pitlick at 1.75, they'll just have to go with an ELC or some league min contract. Or carry 22 players instead of 23. Ditto for Kylington getting say 4.5M instead of 3.5M.
 
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Nah, I am more than happy to pay him when he becomes #1. Keep him hungry so he can work hard to get there. 8 games is not enough to collect a lifetime package.
Yah, but it is 7 more games back-to-back with regular shifting than he is used to.
 

crazyfisherman

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We could have made the playoffs last year and had a chance at a cup run with Sutter as coach I'd gladly take that and figure out how to protect him after
We couldn't score at all last year, we would not win the cup regardless. I rather that happened last yr and still have him on this team
 

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We couldn't score at all last year, we would not win the cup regardless. I rather that happened last yr and still have him on this team
Makes you wonder if we had moved Bennett up to let Monahan get his surgery and played our best offensive defenseman if maybe we could have scored. Montreal went to the final and they had less wins then us last year.
 

crazyfisherman

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Makes you wonder if we had moved Bennett up to let Monahan get his surgery and played our best offensive defenseman if maybe we could have scored. Montreal went to the final and they had less wins then us last year.
What happened with Bennett is just baffling, esp given how hurt monahan was. But sutter didnt exactly give bennett hes time to shine either so it just wasnt gonna happen here sadly.
 
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The rush he did to set up the 3rd goal was incredible. I've never seen a Flames dman do that in my life.

Now go read the first nine pages of the thread and people convincing themselves he doesn't have an absurdly high ceiling.

Edit: but ignore that part where I kept calling the Leafs' Nylander "Alex". lol
 

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Our D core sucks without TJ Brodie.

That is a fact.

Watch the product on the ice, without Brodie to literally compensate for Ward's horrible systems, we have no breakout plan.

Kylington is the ONLY defenseman in this organization with TJ Brodie's skillset.

Andersson can't skate like Kylington.

Hanifin can't think like Kylington. Yes, Kylington whose hockey sense gets questioned by certain people has better hockey sense than Noah Hanifin, who needs an absolutely perfect Lidstrom-esque partner to be useful.

Tanev is a defensive defenseman. On a good team he is a solid #4. I compare him to Hjalmarsson on those great Blackhawks teams. He's not Keith, he's not Seabrook, and he's not Campbell. And while there's nothing wrong with his game, he's not a player you rely on to carry the 200 foot load.

Giordano is our worst defenseman right now. I love the guy, but he can't carry his D pair and he really misses TJ Brodie.

Nesterov is a vanilla bottom pair guy. I have no problem with him in the lineup but he doesn't elevate anyone else and he doesn't dictate the flow of the game. He's basically a poor man's Brett Kulak.

Valimaki is the closest talent-wise to Kylington but he's actually not as polished as Kylington, I know certain people don't see it but when Kylington is on his game and not being dragged down by an AHL tier partner he is actually a really effective player. Of course Oliver has games where he's bad, all defensemen do, and yes Oliver is not as good as Valimaki at making offensive plays at the blue line out of the cycle, but they're two different players. Going back to those great blackhawks teams, you can likely Valimaki to Seabrook when Seabrook was a great and mobile player, and you can liken Kylington to Campbell or Keith stylistically even if you're reticent to give Kylington any credit for talent.

Stylistically alone, having a defenseman who is the second fastest player in the entire division on the ice is more valuable than having a few pieces like Gio and Nesterov just plugged in.

I don't hate Hanifin, actually his pair with Tanev has been our most steady, but steady doesn't cut it, you need dynamic.

Kylington, Valimaki, and Andersson are our three most dynamic defenseman.

Andersson is being dragged down by Giordano.

Valimaki is solid, but he's not at an elite level just yet.

Kylington is absolutely someone who will help this team win. Go back to the Flames' play in 2018 before the all star break, when we won the west. Kylington was a lineup staple and we were playing exciting hockey. And then we bring in Fantenberg to replace him because some analytics guys don't know how to evaluate the kid and Huska has always hated the kid and we start playing a horrible style that carried through into the 2019 playoffs. Same story last year, Kylington had a low on-ice shooting percentage so the offense wasn't there but he was steady steady steady especially on a pair with Rasmus Andersson. He didn't have a good partner whenenever Andersson got promoted to top four because he was always being dragged down by Mike Stone, so the analytics without Andersson suffered. So they bring in a couple more guys in Gustaffsson and Forbort who... were not better than Kylington. Gustaffsson was productive yes but made Kylington look like Lidstrom defensively. And Forbort was a guy who should have been Kylington's partner, yet the two never even played together.

The team has been as clueless about what they have in Oliver Kylington as they have been with Sam Bennett.

Give him Chris Tanev and 20 minutes a night with a long leash and he will get the kind of confidence needed to become a bonafide number one defenseman. He'll make some mistakes, all top players do, and no one will bat an eyelash. his floor is Jon Klingberg in an expanded role and his ceiling is higher than that as he is actually a strong penalty killer, something the last two coaching staffs have failed to try him in.

Post I made back in February.

Sometimes even I can't believe how right I was. What actually pisses me off is if they just used Bennett and Kylington right eight months ago, we absolutely would have had a cup-contending playoff team.

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