Ezpz
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Danault isn't that player anymore. He's a couple steps behind where he was when he was here and his first couple years in la.
Prospect Info: Oliver Kapanen, RHC, KalPa U20 (U20 SM-sarja), 64th Overall
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Danault on-ice 5v5 numbers last 2 years :
96-70
Last 2 years in Montreal
91-61
I’m sure he is still deployed against top lines like he was in Montreal but feel free to look yourself for deeper data. I don’t need to.
96-70 on-ice goals 5v5 in the last 2 years. same as usual. Perennial 57-60% GF% players are rare and highly consequential to a team success. I’m sure he’s a huge reason Kings are a comfortable playoff team since he joined.
Nope.
Personally, i'm very happy we're not tied down to that contract.
It's OK for the Kings cause they can absorb it right now, but it's not aging well.
Can't say I agree with that.
He's been very good value for them this far, and with the cap increase, he's likely to be as good or better value the last two years unless he falls off dramatically.
Would love to have him as our 3C next two years. Very productive 5on5 while being top tier defensively and fully bought in to a no PP time role. Perfect fit really.
Bolded the most important part of your post.
For them, its great value because he's well insulated.
I don't think that was the case when the Habs were debating whether or not to keep him and it would be even less so today IMO.
But I don't disagree that he's a very valuable player.
Not at that salary, I could find a better way to use that money personally.
But its a fair take
What facts did I dispute that you've proven?
Showing me his advanced stats ON THE KINGS, doesn't exactly disprove the point that I made that I don't think he would be good value FOR THE HABS.
But Cool story bud
Ezpz
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They're in the playoffs because the western conference is weak as shit. They'd be WC2 at best in the east. He's essentially the lowest scoring player in their top 9 and isn't even the best defensive player on his line, let alone their team.
The statistical variance between Kuemper and Rittich tells the entire story, they're being entirely carried by hot goaltending. Rittich barely has a winning record and Kuemper has a higher points percentage than nearly every starter in the league. Kuemper is .030 above Rittich in save percentage. Meanwhile here Monty and Dobes are .001% apart with comparable stat spreads. With Kuemper-level goaltending the Habs would be around Toronto/Florida/Tampa in points.
You can try to say it's their defensive play but starts are split pretty evenly between Kuemper/Rittich with one putting up amazing numbers and a winning record and the other getting Monty/Dobes-level results that would actually set the Kings out of a playoff spot.
It's pretty obvious both Kopitar and Danault have taken steps back defensively and that the Kings are riding a structured system with above average goaltending in the weakest division in hockey.
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You can actually see Kempe/Kopitar are trusted before Danault in the defensive zone. Danault's getting more offensive starts and has great shot differential but he's not facing top lines like Kopitar/Kempe. Danault gets more offensive starts than any other forward except Moore (who plays with him).
While Tatar-Danault-Gally were a corsi powerhouse, Phil was absolutely carrying the defensive load on that line. In LA he's mostly playing with two defensively responsible wingers that have helped keep his advanced metrics looking good playing against lower competition. Danault has also been on the third line most of the season, so he's getting a lot of minutes against bottom pairings as well compared to his role several years ago.
Because those who would be usually aren't in the SHL anymore.
Guys like Berggren, Lindblom and Johnnson were close.
Thanks for the data. Better than I thought. I don’t know where you got those stats. What does it say about Evans in the last 2 years?
Disagree here too.
Kings forward group isn't anything special.
Habs at the time thought Gallagher was worth more (terrible assessment then even worse in hindsight) then traded for a considerably inferior C in Dvorak at only 1M$ less (bad then also terrible in hindsight).
I don't think there's any doubt he'd be a tremendous fit and asset for us at 5.5M right now.
Really? How?
At 3yrs/5.5M last summer I think. he would've been a better option than any of the UFA C signed (I love Monahan, but injury issues and 5yrs... Lindholm and Stamkos got way more - and Danault is arguably as or more impactful than either at this stage. Terevainen & Wennberg got similar amounts and are less impactful imo).
This year, with the cap increasing, a player of his impact value will be in the 7+M range easily.
Legit curious what C's currently playing on UFA deals under 6M you think would be better value than Danault?... I can't think of one short of Duchene who knowingly took far less than market value on a 1-year deal specifically to stay in Dallas last summer.
Timra is facing elimination on Monday.
They've been outscored 17-11 in 5 games.
Kapanen is tied in the points lead for his team with 3 points in 5 games (5 player tie).
They've been outscored 17-11 in 5 games.
Kapanen is tied in the points lead for his team with 3 points in 5 games (5 player tie).
Not special, but they've got a good group of strong 2 way players I would say.
Yes they did choose Gallagher, maybe that plays out differently and Danault is still here but the fact they chose Gallagher made it near impossible to keep Danault.
I don't know, I look at this team right now and I don't think adding Danault makes them that much of a threat?
He's still strong defensively but I'd rather a different profile as my 2nd line C.
Like that's not a player I would want them shopping for, would you?
Yeah I’m not a big fan of UFA shopping, but there's def a different type of C profile i’d rather trade for.
I don't think he's the same player now as he was at his peak 2-3 years ago and I don't think its trending upwards either.
Like I said, I'm not a big fan of going the UFA route, it would be a trade and that's a whole other conversation.
I'm not a huge fan of Dylan Cozens but that's more of the type of player and trade I would be looking at if I'm the Habs.
Between Beck and Kapanen, you hope that in 1-2 years they could hold down a spot as a 3rd line C m.
So from that perspective, Danault as much as I think is a good player, i’d go in another direction.
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Kapanen has #1 center numbers in Swedish league. If Times gets beat out, could we call him over to play few games for us? Try him a few games on second line. Kapanen more NHL ready than Owen Beck. Has more offensive upside
Agreed.
Agreed... Sorr of. We proceeded to sign Hoffman and trade for Dvorak. Danault getting 5.5M was still doable after the Gally deal, but would've precluded those two peo scouting fails.
Really?
Danault instantly becomes the 2nd best C in the lineup and gives the coaching staff a C that can play special teams.
Imo it's a no brainer that adding Danault (be it swapping him for Dvo or as a net add) makes this roster considerably better.
Fair... & Don't dusagree. He's an ideal 3C imo.
But again, he's better than anyone we currently have in that 2C seat.
Next 2 years, him & Dach or Newhook as the 2/3Cs would be very solid and easily good enough, with Suzuki at 1C, to be a strong playoff team.
I want them to continue being patient & opportunistic... Danault would be an excellent target, but, I doubt the Kings would accept anything short of a gross overpayment and he's not a player I'd pay "any" price for.
Fair, but imo Dach/Newhook are worth keeping in the mix short of a definitive upgrade for the next 2 years, and by year 3 we may well have seen one or all 3 of Beck/Kapanen/Hage assert themselves as NHL caliber middle 6 C's.
I don't want us to pay a premium chasing any middle 6 C at this point because of that. Buy low (Laine-esque), trade for potential (Zegras?), or affordable stop gap (Malkin?) is the most likely approach based on our management team and imo exactly the right one at this point.
Danault likely isn't in any of those categories, but if he were, he'd be a great candidate imo
Not sure frankly... He's played very well for LA and unlike where he was at in his mid/late 20s with us, seems to fully embrace his role. His game was never mainly reliant on physical skill, two years of playoff grind shadowing McD has likely only improved his technical & tactical approach. I suspect he'll maintain his impact level through his 30-35 seasons better than most.
Agreed, tough to find those opportunities but if they can time it right I'm sure that's their preference as well.
If we can avoid giving up our best draft capital/prospects or committing long term to a declining vet or reclamation project while still getting playoff caliber middle 6 upgrade, that's the ideal scenario. Hopefully KH can make that happen!
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First round fodder since he has joined the team.....
I wanted him in Montreal, at 4.5M and he left when offered 5M...............he left boys, he did NOT want to play for his home team anylonger.......good riddence.
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He just did not want to stay.........Yes, because .5 million a year is chump change.
It's entirely possible that, being on the inside, Danault saw the writing on the wall and could sense that the team was about to bottom out. He definitely could not have trusted Bergevin to right the ship and not have wanted be part of a rebuild at his age back then (28, turning 29).
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