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You have to think Gustafsson is going to be shipped out. He's an offensive minded LD is weak defensively. Who's he starting over? Rielly? No. Giordano? No. Jake McCabe, we just got him so no.

Are we running 11F/7D? I hope not.

Same question for Schenn. Where does he fit in between Holl/Brodie/Liljegren. Have to think Holl is the odd man out there. Either he sits or he's traded.

We need forwards as well. I get nobody liked Engvall here but he is a solid 15-20 goal guy who could play PK, PP, 5v5 and was defensively responsible. We need someone that can put up that sort of production. And no you can't just automatically slot in Knies and assume he's gonna excel right away.

The bottom six is some combo of Accari, Jarmkrok, ZAR, Kerfoot, Kampf and a bunch of AHL guys. That's not good enough.
 
Doubt we trade a D now unless it’s an upgrade on holl. All the new guys we got are depth for injuries, it’s going to be a blood bath first two rounds.

I wish we paid the ekholm price but it seems Dubas values term with retention like mccabe at 50%. Sure he wants to save space to resign Accari and orielly and I agree with that.

Does Dubas go full send and grab tommy Wilson ? 🤣
 
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I don’t know how I feel about trading Sandin - he’s shown flashes but he was never going to play more than #4 minutes on this team. His poise and puck skills on D are 85th-90th percentile and his skating is about 50th - Sandin with elite skating is Roman Josi lite, but you can only go so far.

The 1st even low softens the blow but Gustafson? He’s a forward playing D, hope he’s flipped.

Engvall meh, that’s different. 6’5 215 plays 5’11 185, fast as hell, nice shot and decent offensive instincts but he just can’t put it together, though the odd time he’ll go on little mini-heaters.

He’s also 27 this year so I don’t see him suddenly morphing into Alex Tuch, a player he could easily model his game off of. Even playing like Alex Kerfoot would be a big step up.

He’s also money on the cap that’s now gone.

Schenner back on the team, on the 3rd pair will make guys think twice, for the low cost of a 3rd. I still remember his draft, his promising first year on a bad Leafs team and the stupidity of Burke saying ‘you’re 6’4 220 and hit everything, get to 240!’ and then he’s too slow. He knows Tampa but they know him, he can play 12-14 a night, for a 3rd, that has a 12% chance of playing 200 games, starting in 4-6 years. Welcome home.

They still need LW depth, and in the ironiest or ironies…come on down JVR @ 50%. Can probably get him for a 3rd, a mid level prospect Philly likes and Kerfoot.
 
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trellaine201 said:
Goalie for me. Reimer? Allen?
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If they do that, they can only keep 19 skaters and they have to leave about $1 million in cap space - assuming a Knies signing is in the offing.

Means waiving or trading 2 players.
 
1) Goaltender - Reimer, Korpisalo, Vejmelka, Talbot. Tell Murray to stay on LTIR until the summer when they can move him wherever he wants.
2) PP QB/RD - Maybe Gustafsson was acquired in case the Rielly led PP fails again. Would prefer going all out for Chychrun who also bumps Holl out of the lineup.
3) #3LW & #4LW. Wanted both Kerfoot & Engvall replaced with proper bottom six LW. I would be fine with Knies & McMann put into those spots.

Voodoo Child said:
I don’t know how I feel about trading Sandin
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Unless that BOS 1st will be packaged in some other deal.
 
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Chychrun. 2 x 1sts and Knies.

Zero reason to hold onto Knies now. You can't go 99% all in. If he gets you a top player, even a forward, you have to do it.

Management have made a decision. They've gotta be 100% into that decision.
 
I'd like to see another forward. The bottom 6 is a lot tougher now but I think we need an upgrade.

Max Domi? He can mix it up and chip in offensively. I think he'd relish the opportunity to be a Leaf.
 
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All Mod Cons said:
Chychrun. 2 x 1sts and Knies.

Zero reason to hold onto Knies now. You can't go 99% all in. If he gets you a top player, even a forward, you have to do it.

Management have made a decision. They've gotta be 100% into that decision.
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Leafs still have a ton of assets to get it done. I would think 2 firsts + Liljegren could get it done. Toss is in a 3rd/4th for the retention.

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun McCabe
Gio Schenn
Holl/Gustafsson/Timmins

Liljegren
Knies
1st (BOS) 2023
1st (TOR) 2024
3rd (NYI) 2024
3rd (TOR) 2025
4th (TOR) 2024
 
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what about nick schmaltz? has 3 years left and used to play with nylander a long time ago. he's still in his twitter banner so the love is still there lol
 
sxvnert said:
Leafs still have a ton of assets to get it done. I would think 2 firsts + Liljegren could get it done. Toss is in a 3rd/4th for the retention.

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun McCabe
Gio Schenn
Holl/Gustafsson/Timmins

Liljegren
Knies
1st (BOS) 2023
1st (TOR) 2024
3rd (NYI) 2024
3rd (TOR) 2025
4th (TOR) 2024
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Yikes. Way too much.

diceman934 said:
Boston First, Gustafsson, Kerfoot, prospect to Phoenix for the D man
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And this on the other hand isn't enough to get it done.
 
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TheRumble said:
You have to think Gustafsson is going to be shipped out. He's an offensive minded LD is weak defensively. Who's he starting over? Rielly? No. Giordano? No. Jake McCabe, we just got him so no.

Are we running 11F/7D? I hope not.

Same question for Schenn. Where does he fit in between Holl/Brodie/Liljegren. Have to think Holl is the odd man out there. Either he sits or he's traded.

We need forwards as well. I get nobody liked Engvall here but he is a solid 15-20 goal guy who could play PK, PP, 5v5 and was defensively responsible. We need someone that can put up that sort of production. And no you can't just automatically slot in Knies and assume he's gonna excel right away.

The bottom six is some combo of Accari, Jarmkrok, ZAR, Kerfoot, Kampf and a bunch of AHL guys. That's not good enough.
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You are forgetting they added Lafferty to the bottom 6
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Yikes. Way too much.


And this on the other hand isn't enough to get it done.
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It is enough as it will be any prospect who is signed now. Also teams are backing away from him as the ask has been high. Leafs made trades to gather pieces for this trade. Could include another roster player who we just acquired
 
Why does everyone keep on wanting to add dmen. We have no forward depth to now.

Dmen we have:

Rielly, pick moving defensemen. He's the only guy on the team that is able to skate with the puck into the zone.

Giordano - Shutdown defenseman. Kinda old.

Brodie - Stay at home defenseman.

Liljegren - Jack of all trades.

Holl - Best PKer

McCabe - Don't know much about him but seems to be the big gritty guy.

Schenn - See McCabe

Gustafsson - Caps fans described him as a poor man's John Carlson.

Timmins - An offensive minded RHD that is weak defensively.

That's nine freaking dmen. We need to shore up the bottom six now if anything.
 
diceman934 said:
It is enough as it will be any prospect who is signed now. Also teams are backing away from him as the ask has been high. Leafs made trades to gather pieces for this trade. Could include another roster player who we just acquired
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I really don't think so. If they ask around for teams to beat that offer, other teams will probably beat it. Gustafsson and Kerfoot don't have that much value so the prospect would have to be blue chip and unless it's Knies, I don't think we have anyone interesting enough for them to bite.

Two 1sts and Knies is way too much. One 1st and a grab bag of random, uninteresting stuff isn't enough. Somewhere between there is what he'll fetch is my prediction, we'll see.
 
TheRumble said:
Why does everyone keep on wanting to add dmen. We have no forward depth to now.

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That's nine freaking dmen. We need to shore up the bottom six now if anything.
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That's nine freaking dmen but three of them are guys who you don't really want to be on the ice all that often. It's fine if nobody gets injured during the playoffs, best be prepared for at least one guy to miss some games at some point.
 
TheRumble said:
You have to think Gustafsson is going to be shipped out. He's an offensive minded LD is weak defensively. Who's he starting over? Rielly? No. Giordano? No. Jake McCabe, we just got him so no.

Are we running 11F/7D? I hope not.

Same question for Schenn. Where does he fit in between Holl/Brodie/Liljegren. Have to think Holl is the odd man out there. Either he sits or he's traded.

We need forwards as well. I get nobody liked Engvall here but he is a solid 15-20 goal guy who could play PK, PP, 5v5 and was defensively responsible. We need someone that can put up that sort of production. And no you can't just automatically slot in Knies and assume he's gonna excel right away.

The bottom six is some combo of Accari, Jarmkrok, ZAR, Kerfoot, Kampf and a bunch of AHL guys. That's not good enough.
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You forgot about Lafferty. He is good enough foe the bottom six.

Our team soolo ready. Hasn't been this ready since the pat quinn dayz
 
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