Oilers working to hire Mike Babcock as coach, officially cleared by NHL

[jellybeans]

I feel so bad for you Oilers fans i predict that McDavid wont resign at the end of his contract horrible management many dark years to come.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Typical McDavid style leadership to want a coach who will leave him alone entirely while mentally abusing the players lowest on the proverbial totem pole.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Posting in a legendary thread

 

[authentic]

I’ll go against the grain here and say they finally win the Cup now

 

[Deranged Oreo]

Some of the more senior players did describe it as less of a demand and that they were in control of their own phones. Whether or not that was them just being company men trying to make the story go away, or that's how it went down for the players who were less vulnerable to abuse, I don't know.

But it does make sense that the younger, less established players were the ones Babcock felt bold enough to blatantly invade the privacy of.

I’d still like to see that, im sure it’s a mixed bag with how people took it. I tried to
Google but its all 2023 articles

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

So why did the Blue Jackets call it a mistake to hire him, part ways with him, and then apologize to the players for hiring him?

Also read below:

I think there is a definite age gap in the thought process of Babcock and how the young players received it. He probably genuinely wanted to know about them as people and the young guys thought he was looking for their private stash of fans. IYKYK.

 

[Beau Knows]

I think there is a definite age gap in the thought process of Babcock and how the young players received it. He probably genuinely wanted to know about them as people and the young guys thought he was looking for their private stash. IYKYK.

Whatever his intentions were, it's just not appropriate for someone who is essentially their boss to ask or demand their phones to look through their photos.

 

[Miami Wice]

Crosby is already cemented into the top 5 by the majority of the hockey world. Some even rank him as high as 4th

No one serious has Crosby ahead of any of Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux.

No Crosby is not cemented in top 5. Right now there is literal discussion that a Cup for McDavid automatically makes McDavid top 5 all-time and Cup is only thing keeping McDavid from that.

And Crosby lacks the sustained peak of other all-time greats. He has great elite consistency and longevity, but peak years lacking.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

I’m trying to find some articles on Babcocks coaching career but I’m not seeing anything after 2020? Anyone know where I can find more recent articles?

 

[Deranged Oreo]

No one serious has Crosby ahead of any of Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux.

No Crosby is not cemented in top 5. Right now there is literal discussion that a Cup for McDavid automatically makes McDavid top 5 all-time and Cup is only thing keeping McDavid from that.

And Crosby lacks the sustained peak of other all-time greats. He has great elite consistency and longevity, but peak years lacking.

Yeah, no. Crosby is what the majority think he is. A top 5 all time player. There is very little evidence to try and go against the grain on this one

 

[Miami Wice]

But Crosby is so powerful that if McDavid doesn't win a Cup with Edmonton it will his fault for forcing him to accept Babcock? That sounds like another feather in his cap.

Not forcing, but tricking/conning/fooling.

Again this is hypothetical- we do not know if Crosby ever discuss with McDavid on topic of Babcock. I just want to stress this point.

 

[K Fleur]

I’ll go against the grain here and say they finally win the Cup now

Well if so it’ll be the first time Babcock has won a playoff series since 2013 soo…

 

[Miami Wice]

Yeah, no. Crosby is what the majority think he is. A top 5 all time player.

No- Bobby Hull, Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, all have very great cases for 5th all-time. Other goalies like Roy/Hasek.

Crosby lacks dominant period. Even in his own era, Ovi surpassed him in peak with that 3 season sustained stretch from 2008-2010.

 

[K Fleur]

Not forcing, but tricking/conning/fooling.

Again this is hypothetical- we do not know if Crosby ever discuss with McDavid on topic of Babcock. I just want to stress this point.

This has gotta be a meme account.

I think you are @daver ’s alt account that they use to get the Crosby talk going

 

[Deranged Oreo]

No- Bobby Hull, Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, all have very great cases for 5th all-time. Other goalies like Roy/Hasek.

Crosby lacks dominant period. Even in his own era, Ovi surpassed him in peak with that 3 season sustained stretch from 2008-2010.

No point in derailing the thread anymore, we are clearly not going to agree on this.

 

[authentic]

Well if so it’ll be the first time Babcock has won a playoff series since 2013 soo…

There’s always a 2nd first time for everything. Sometimes anyway.

 

[jcs0218]

Read what the NHL/NHLPA statement reads. The allegations are disturbing. They are basically agreeing he is a major dickhead, but they can not restrict him from coaching. They did not say "he is innocent" or "the allegations are false"

which allegation is the most disturbing to you

You are exactly right. "Which allegation is the most disturbing?"

Because quite frankly, nobody is aware of any specific allegation other than the thing with Marner and the thing with the Blue Jackets phones.

Now, do I think those were the smartest ideas Babcock ever had? Not at all.

But they don't violate any HR or employment law policy, as far as I am aware.

A boss asking you to list your hardest working colleagues (as in Marner's case) as a motivation tactic is uncommon, but not against HR or employment law.

A boss asking to see pictures on your phone (as in the Blue Jackets case) as a way of getting to know you as a person is uncommon, but not against HR or employment law.

Both Marner and the Blue Jackets players could have simply refused, and only if Babcock retaliated would it become a HR or employment law issue.

Other than the thing with Marner and the thing with the Blue Jackets phones, what other "allegations" are there?

That he benched Mike Modano one time, benched Jason Spezza another time, and benched Chris Chelios another time? Maybe those weren't the nicest things to do, considering all of the circumstances involved, but at the same time he was within his right as a coach to bench whoever he wanted to bench.

After this, you really only have the words of Mike Commodore remaining. And he has never elaborated on any of the specific horrible things that he claims to have seen, so I think he may lack credibility.

Why hasn't Commodore elaborated on the horrible specific things he has seen? Why wouldn't he want it all out there as a means of protecting other players?

Commodore has a good personality and that is why a lot of internet hockey fans like him.

But at this moment, unless Commodore chooses to elaborate on the horrible specific things he saw, then I think he may simply be a person who has sour grapes that Babcock didn't play him enough or benched him for games that Commodore feels he shouldn't have been benched for.

 

[Beau Knows]

Not forcing, but tricking/conning/fooling.

Again this is hypothetical- we do not know if Crosby ever discuss with McDavid on topic of Babcock. I just want to stress this point.

If McDavid is getting tricked into hiring the wrong coach by a guy who played like 13 games for him then he has no one to blame but himself. Also what does any of this have to do with the topic?

 

[Felidae]

If they had just waited a few more weeks to determine who they wanted to hire, they could have just gotten Tortorella who's a hardass without being a bully.

 

[SI90]

Guys is the biggest piece of shit and has the most amount of X players speaking out against him that he’s the worst human. Would be hilarious if he was the one to actually bring them a cup though.

 

[Miami Wice]

This has gotta be a meme account.

I think you are @daver ’s alt account that they use to get the Crosby talk going

No, but Daver is good guy. Strong Crosby fan but very respectful in interactions unlike some other people here.

 

[Felidae]

You are exactly right. "Which allegation is the most disturbing?"

Because quite frankly, nobody is aware of any specific allegation other than the thing with Marner and the thing with the Blue Jackets phones.

Now, do I think those were the smartest ideas Babcock ever had? Not at all.

But they don't violate any HR or employment law policy, as far as I am aware.

A boss asking you to list your hardest working colleagues (as in Marner's case) as a motivation tactic is uncommon, but not against HR or employment law.

A boss asking to see pictures on your phone (as in the Blue Jackets case) as a way of getting to know you as a person is uncommon, but not against HR or employment law.

Both Marner and the Blue Jackets players could have simply refused, and only if Babcock retaliated would it become a HR or employment law issue.

Other than the thing with Marner and the thing with the Blue Jackets phones, what other "allegations" are there?

That he benched Mike Modano one time, benched Jason Spezza another time, and benched Chris Chelios another time? Maybe those weren't the nicest things to do, considering all of the circumstances involved, but at the same time he was within his right as a coach to bench whoever he wanted to bench.

After this, you really only have the words of Mike Commodore remaining. And he has never elaborated on any of the specific horrible things that he claims to have seen, so I think he may lack credibility.

Why hasn't Commodore elaborated on the horrible specific things he has seen? Why wouldn't he want it all out there as a means of protecting other players?

Commodore has a good personality and that is why a lot of internet hockey fans like him.

But at this moment, unless Commodore chooses to elaborate on the horrible specific things he saw, then I think he may simply be a person who has sour grapes that Babcock didn't play him enough or benched him for games that Commodore feels he shouldn't have been benched for.

Ex-Red Wing Johan Franzen calls Mike Babcock 'the worst (person) I have ever met'

Former Detroit Red Wings forward Johan Franzen: \

www.freep.com

 

[njdevils1982]

The summer of Stan is finally starting!

the summer of stain

 

[Beau Knows]

Why hasn't Commodore elaborated on the horrible specific things he has seen? Why wouldn't he want it all out there as a means of protecting other players?

I'm pretty sure he's said exactly why. It's not his place to tell those stories, if other players want to talk about their experiences it should be up to them to do so.

At this point we have more than enough stories that have come out to show that Babcock is an asshole. I don't think anything he's done is enough to justify the NHL banning him, so I think todays decision is the correct one (based on what is known publicly anyways). But that doesn't mean teams have to hire him either, and I think this is a huge risk for Edmonton.

 

[K Fleur]

This shit looks like a horror movie poster.