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Oilers333 said:
Obviously Mcdavid is injured and Drai has not been nearly as bad as people want to make it up to be. Sit Mcdavid let him get healthy. That doesn't change the fact that the goaltending and defense is among the worst in the league.
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I'd agree this is less a Draisaitl issue and moreso McDavid. That said, the mistakes from McDavid seem to be decision making rather than speed so I'm less convince it's just the injury and that he's genuinely in a funk.

I love the guys and know they'll get out of it at some point. I'm just not willing to let them off the hook for the bad start as it isn't all about the 3rd and 4th liners, they've been part of the problem.
 
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VainGretzky said:
We're 3-1 in the last 4 if we can do that consistently the team will make the playoff we outplayed the opposition 3 out of those 4 games and in the one we lost we outplayed them until Skinner to a long nap, all teams give up chances in this league there is no flawless defensive system out there,

Goaltending has been the biggest reason for our 10 losses, the team is not losing because of effort. the team has shown they can outplay the opposition majority of the game. Getting rid of Woodcroft would and did not cure the Goaltending nor will it. We built the team from Forwards out that part is fine, we need a capable netminder that makes up for defensive mistakes all teams make
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This game is huge, if they win it they have 4 wins in last 5.

A loss and they have lost 6 of last 9

The 4 loses to start Nov really sucked
 
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Jumptheshark said:
great, on the main board some jag off created a thread making it look like Edmonton is the only city players do not want to play in
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The hate for the Oilers is real. Probably because we had the greatest dynasty ever in the NHL. Then we also had like 6 number one picks in a row. Botched all of them. Got gifted Mcdavid in the one draft we probably should not have had the first pick. Have failed him pretty miserably. Have been one of the worst franchises in hockey since said dynasty.
 
Oilers333 said:
The hate for the Oilers is real. Probably because we had the greatest dynasty ever in the NHL. Then we also had like 6 number one picks in a row. Botched all of them. Got gifted Mcdavid in the one draft we probably should not have had the first pick. Have failed him pretty miserably. Have been one of the worst franchises in hockey since said dynasty.
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The data supports this. Amongst teams that have existed for more than 3 years, 4th worst record since the last Stanley Cup and being better than Arizona and Columbus and only 29 points better than the Islanders isn't exactly something to brag about.

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Oilers333 said:
The hate for the Oilers is real. Probably because we had the greatest dynasty ever in the NHL. Then we also had like 6 number one picks in a row. Botched all of them. Got gifted Mcdavid in the one draft we probably should not have had the first pick. Have failed him pretty miserably. Have been one of the worst franchises in hockey since said dynasty.
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Kinda funny that the "greatest dynasty ever" is pretty much responsible for the team's performance since the cap era began.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
One of the things to point out is that a brand new coach is still susceptible to what the org advice is on players, until such time that they develop their own. I doubt KK was even watching the Oilers before he got tapped to be headcoach. Its a trial by fire trying to get up on the players and what they are about. He must be wondering where this Connor Mcdavid kid is. ;)

KK didn't come in like Woodcroft being a comfortable 5 games over .500. Came into a situation where the team was 6 games UNDER .500 and desperately needing wins.
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I'd go even further to say that it's mandated from above that Broberg gets in, but KK being careful
 
Oilers333 said:
Other teams. The good organizations dont rely on 1 or 2 players. When their stars go out they find ways to win. Were just not that.
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Plenty of organizations rely on one or two players. Think the Nucks are where they are if Hughes and Petterson were both playing like shit? Or the Leafs if Matthews and Marner can't do anything?

This narrative is so tiring, especially when you factor in that these two players make a combined $20M. By virtue of the fact that they make a ton of money, yes, they will have to produce for the team to have success because it isn't like we can just pop another $8+M player behind them that can be reasonably expected to pick up the slack all on their own.

The only example ever of a team losing two players of comparable value for any amount of time and still winning are the Penguins from around 2012 when they played Tampa in the first round without Crosby or Malkin. That's it.
 
K1984 said:
Plenty of organizations rely on one or two players. Think the Nucks are where they are if Hughes and Petterson were both playing like shit? Or the Leafs if Matthews and Marner can't do anything?

This narrative is so tiring, especially when you factor in that these two players make a combined $20M. By virtue of the fact that they make a ton of money, yes, they will have to produce for the team to have success because it isn't like we can just pop another $8+M player behind them that can be reasonably expected to pick up the slack all on their own.

The only example ever of a team losing two players of comparable value for any amount of time and still winning are the Penguins from around 2012 when they played Tampa in the first round without Crosby or Malkin. That's it.
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Quite literally at $21M they are 25% of the team, so it's fairly reasonable that if you represent 25% of the team cap hit, that they are relying very heavily on you.
 
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bone said:
Quite literally at $21M they are 25% of the team, so it's fairly reasonable that if you represent 25% of the team cap hit, that they are relying very heavily on you.
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People need to decide what they want because it's almost impossible to create conditions where you have both.

Want McDavid and Drai to continue to be Oilers? Then we're going to have to live with areas of the lineup that are a little thin at times.

Want a perfectly balanced roster that has depth up and down the lineup? Going to have to move on from McDavid and Drai and rebuild then.

The only possible way to have top to bottom quality depth with McDavid and Drai is to go on a run of good drafting, and even then you run into cap problems and would have to jettison guys when ELCs are up. Short of that (or McDavid and Leon taking large pay cuts) we have to pick one or the other above and live with it.
 
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CupofOil said:
Tongue-In-Cheek but it does have the feel like McDavid and Draisaitl run the team in some respects. All they've had is pushover coaches for the most part and this new guy? You think he's going to hold anybody accountable?
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Does seem like McDavid in particular has lot of say in what happens with the organization.

But if the rumours are true that hes not as involved as people think and that he doesnt want any special treatment, then Katz/Jackson are playing a pretty dangerous game with him. Because they have painted a narrative where its pretty easy to connect dots without even trying.
 
K1984 said:
Plenty of organizations rely on one or two players. Think the Nucks are where they are if Hughes and Petterson were both playing like shit? Or the Leafs if Matthews and Marner can't do anything?

This narrative is so tiring, especially when you factor in that these two players make a combined $20M. By virtue of the fact that they make a ton of money, yes, they will have to produce for the team to have success because it isn't like we can just pop another $8+M player behind them that can be reasonably expected to pick up the slack all on their own.

The only example ever of a team losing two players of comparable value for any amount of time and still winning are the Penguins from around 2012 when they played Tampa in the first round without Crosby or Malkin. That's it.
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Lol Bruins lost their two best players to retirement and everyone wrote them off. hows that going.

Golden Knights just won the stanley cup with arguable no stars just a really good team. Eichel missing lots of time. Good year after year.

Leafs have stayed afloat without Matthews on many occasions.

Avs won the cup when Makar missed lots of time

Bolts wons 2 cups while losing Kucherov and Stramkos for long stretches.

I mean I could go on lol
 
Jumptheshark said:
great, on the main board some jag off created a thread making it look like Edmonton is the only city players do not want to play in
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Oilers333 said:
Lol Bruins lost their two best players to retirement and everyone wrote them off. hows that going.

Golden Knights just won the stanley cup with arguable no stars just a really good team. Eichel missing lots of time. Good year after year.

Leafs have stayed afloat without Matthews on many occasions.

Avs won the cup when Makar missed lots of time

Bolts wons 2 cups while losing Kucherov and Stramkos for long stretches.

I mean I could go on lol
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Knights don't rely on 1 or 2 players; Lightning don't rely on 1 or 2 players; Bruins don't rely on 1 or 2 players; Leafs have never at any point had two major offensive players out/playing like trash at the same time; Makar played all but 5 of the Avalanche's games in the year they won the cup (and surprise surprise, they didn't win when he was hurt last year).

I could go on. lol
 
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