Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[WaitingForUser]

Connor Reider is definetly looking like a bust.

 

[alphahelix]

Max Pacioretty to debut tonight. How long before he scores his first goal? 3 or 4 games?

Boom.

 

[Bank Shot]

For all we know we're seeing the end of the Connor Brown career in the NHL. The Oilers have tried everything to get this player going. He's been on top line, 2nd line, he's had stints with McDrai together. Its almost impossible not to produce playing next to McDrai. Brown managed it, he got nothing. He's back with Drai as of last night. Again nothing.

I would say Brown looks alot like Ryan Strome in his time here. Mostly doing the right things, but getting absolutely no puck luck on the offensive side of the puck.

The on-ice shooting % when he has been on 5v5 is 3%. Adam Erne is 10%. Kostin last year was like 15 or 20% or some other absurd thing.

As far as Kostin I don't know I was saying breakout but I thought he could be a decent player and knock in 15 goals. Our bet was 25pts. But proviso on that was due to Wings saying he would get ample minutes in detroit and have "a much bigger role" They rescinded on this before season even started as they had recruited several extra forwards and Kostin from word go banished to 4th line limited minutes. He's been out injured for the last month. No player can produce on the bench or out of the lineup.

Kostin got banished to 4th line minutes and healthy scratches because hes a 12th-14th forward. That's why he was getting 4th line minutes in Edmonton despite his lucky scoring numbers. The Detroit org's usage of Kostin lines up with what the stats were saying about him.

 

[Stoneman89]

I would say Brown looks alot like Ryan Strome in his time here. Mostly doing the right things, but getting absolutely no puck luck on the offensive side of the puck.

The on-ice shooting % when he has been on 5v5 is 3%. Adam Erne is 10%. Kostin last year was like 15 or 20% or some other absurd thing.


Kostin got banished to 4th line minutes and healthy scratches because hes a 12th-14th forward. That's why he was getting 4th line minutes in Edmonton despite his lucky scoring numbers. The Detroit org's usage of Kostin lines up with what the stats were saying about him.

I was in the group a while back that was in the "no puck luck" thing, but the more I see of him, the more I think that's not true. While a certain amount of luck is needed to sometimes score a goal, I just don't see him headed to the really dirty areas for the ones to go off your butt or arm, etc. His puck handling when near the opposition is atrocious, as he kills the play more often than not. His PK work has been outstanding, and that is likely the only reason he's still in the lineup.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I would say Brown looks alot like Ryan Strome in his time here. Mostly doing the right things, but getting absolutely no puck luck on the offensive side of the puck.

The on-ice shooting % when he has been on 5v5 is 3%. Adam Erne is 10%. Kostin last year was like 15 or 20% or some other absurd thing.


Kostin got banished to 4th line minutes and healthy scratches because hes a 12th-14th forward. That's why he was getting 4th line minutes in Edmonton despite his lucky scoring numbers. The Detroit org's usage of Kostin lines up with what the stats were saying about him.

I would say a brown look more like Tobias Reider than Ryan Strome to be honest

 

[Drivesaitl]

I would say a brown look more like Tobias Reider than Ryan Strome to be honest

I can't even follow the Ryan Strome comparison. More like Ryan Spooner in terms of production.

I didn't mind Strome here, He was no Eberle but he played a good honest in your face game and had good wheels and could pressure well.

Brown is playing well on pk at least.

I would say Brown looks alot like Ryan Strome in his time here. Mostly doing the right things, but getting absolutely no puck luck on the offensive side of the puck.

The on-ice shooting % when he has been on 5v5 is 3%. Adam Erne is 10%. Kostin last year was like 15 or 20% or some other absurd thing.


Kostin got banished to 4th line minutes and healthy scratches because hes a 12th-14th forward. That's why he was getting 4th line minutes in Edmonton despite his lucky scoring numbers. The Detroit org's usage of Kostin lines up with what the stats were saying about him.

Some of the stats can be misleading as well. Because the interpretations often suggest things like X number is unsustainable, without maybe factoring how terrible a player has been with the puck. Brown basically kills drives. Either by losing puck outright, or poor passing or stuffing shots into pads. I mean its a given any line production is going to be down with Brown on it because his offensive production has been nil.

Far as Kostin he's been out injured a month and has been injured 3X this season. Been tough luck for him and especially considering he seemed to be built solid.

Kostin and his agent were sold a false bill of goods. Detroit had expressed keen interest and stated Kostin would have much more of a role. But Detroit also went out and got 10 different starters since last season. They've been heavily invested in incoming, and a lot of the guys coming in make it a numbers game just getting in lineup. Detroit are deep. Kostin wasn't playing poorly. he even got healthy scratched two games just after scoring a nice goal. He's just not much in the plans seemingly.
Not sure where you get that its predetermined that a top round pick, still young, is only ever going to be a 12-14 guy.

 

[Aerchon]

Yeah he did. But haters gonna hate and give all the credit for anyone’s success to their favorite player. His minutes all game were largely with two AHL players.

Oilers are stuck with him now, might as well cheer for the guy because he's not going anywhere. He has looked like a serviceable 4th line player and that's ok by me. At least they ended the top 6 experiment with him. I still believe he will start scoring the odd goal too and who knows, he could be valuable in the playoffs.

I would say a brown look more like Tobias Reider than Ryan Strome to be honest

You move Brown asap no matter the cost.

Comparebles of Spooner and Reider are in fact overestimating Browns contributions to this team.

 

[tiger_80]

Brown's wife: Just let him score!

 

[Drivesaitl]

Worth mentioning that Brown was somehow -2 last night in a 3-2 win. Making him now -10 on season, worst on whole team. With 0-0-0 expected boxcars. Guy keeps playing. A guy with miles more talent, Gagner, can't even get back on?

Last couple games we're having trouble scoring. We could use an injection of somebody that can produce a drop of offense.

Brown no goals in last 49NHL GP. Its all bad luck, according to analytics types.

Brown has one more chance to score an NHL goal before he's 30. Yeah thats coming this weekend. Age 30 I mean, not sure about a goal coming. It better.

 

[alphahelix]

Worth mentioning that Brown was somehow -2 last night in a 3-2 win. Making him now -10 on season, worst on whole team. With 0-0-0 expected boxcars. Guy keeps playing. A guy with miles more talent, Gagner, can't even get back on?

Last couple games we're having trouble scoring. We could use an injection of somebody that can produce a drop of offense.

Brown no goals in last 49NHL GP. Its all bad luck, according to analytics types.

Brown has one more chance to score an NHL goal before he's 30. Yeah thats coming this weekend. Age 30 I mean, not sure about a goal coming. It better.

660 days & counting since Brown scored a goal

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I might change my name to Connor Reider.

Right after I changed it to Tobias Kahun, Kahun scored a goal.

 

[CROTT]

660 days & counting since Brown scored a goal

The Oilers play the Kraken on the 666th day, if brown scores...

Welcome Cthulhu

 

[tiger_80]

Worth mentioning that Brown was somehow -2 last night in a 3-2 win. Making him now -10 on season, worst on whole team. With 0-0-0 expected boxcars. Guy keeps playing. A guy with miles more talent, Gagner, can't even get back on?

Last couple games we're having trouble scoring. We could use an injection of somebody that can produce a drop of offense.

Brown no goals in last 49NHL GP. Its all bad luck, according to analytics types.

Brown has one more chance to score an NHL goal before he's 30. Yeah thats coming this weekend. Age 30 I mean, not sure about a goal coming. It better.

Is Gagner injured? He's posted half a point per game in limited minutes.

I might change my name to Connor Reider.

Right after I changed it to Tobias Kahun, Kahun scored a goal.

Ryder, Hallak and the 2nd. That's the only context that comes to mind.

Details TBD


Mod EDIT:

More like Brown landed the Oilers. lol.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Is Gagner injured? He's posted half a point per game in limited minutes.


Ryder, Hallak and the 2nd. That's the only context that comes to mind.


More like Brown landed the Oilers. lol.

Gagner has been waiting and ready to go for multiple games now.

 

[Bank Shot]

I can't even follow the Ryan Strome comparison. More like Ryan Spooner in terms of production.

I didn't mind Strome here, He was no Eberle but he played a good honest in your face game and had good wheels and could pressure well.

Brown is playing well on pk at least.

Brown plays the same game as Strome.

Spooner just drifted around.

Not sure where you get that its predetermined that a top round pick, still young, is only ever going to be a 12-14 guy.

Kostin is turning 25 right away. He scored only 0.5 points per game in the AHL over a large number of games. I think like 200+.

He didn't score at all in St.Louis. Went on a massive scoring streak in Edmonton with shooting percent numbers better than prime Stamkos and now the guy isn't scoring at all in Detroit.

Why is the Edmonton Kostin the real Kostin, when the other 5 years of his pro career have been completely pedestrian? Why don't NHL coaches play him more than 9 minutes a night? Are they all blind to the talent?

It doesn't add up.

 

[WEMCHUD]

Worth mentioning that Brown was somehow -2 last night in a 3-2 win. Making him now -10 on season, worst on whole team. With 0-0-0 expected boxcars. Guy keeps playing. A guy with miles more talent, Gagner, can't even get back on?

Kostin who I've been told by radio people is not a defensively sound player is currently crushing brown in +/- right now at +2

(Edited due to phone posting issues)

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Gagner has been waiting and ready to go for multiple games now.

Good to get him some rest and make sure that he's 100%, pretty sure that he'll be more critical in our team's success than Brown will be. He's only out for superstitious reasons IMO.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown plays the same game as Strome.

Spooner just drifted around.

Kostin is turning 25 right away. He scored only 0.5 points per game in the AHL over a large number of games. I think like 200+.

He didn't score at all in St.Louis. Went on a massive scoring streak in Edmonton with shooting percent numbers better than prime Stamkos and now the guy isn't scoring at all in Detroit.

Why is the Edmonton Kostin the real Kostin, when the other 5 years of his pro career have been completely pedestrian? Why don't NHL coaches play him more than 9 minutes a night? Are they all blind to the talent?

It doesn't add up.

Kostin scored 5 goals in STL in just over 40GP. How is that "didn't score at all"?

He even had 4G 5A 9pts in 40GP in only 9mins of action/game there last season. Given half a chance that season and even average minutes per game like 12-13 and he paces out to around 25pts that season as a very young player finding his way.
The problem in STL was Not Kostin, or him not getting a drop done (like Brown here) it was he was drafted by an SC club with a deep forward lineup that was hard to crack. Thats it.

Its well known some prospects can get lost in the mix once the draft team moves them. Right or wrong such players get typecast as you are doing. That doesn't mean the player will never bloom, tons of stories where players do start hitting it in the NHL at his age given the CHANCE.

As far as the coaching and usage in STL its the same story as a lot of coaches that go more with vet players or the teams own prospects. Even while vet players that are playing poorly,

Another problem in Detroit is the youth that are getting the chance are of course the high profile players the Wings themselves have drafted. Guys like Raymond, Velano, Rasmussen.

Kostin and his agent screwed up. Turns out with the stacked roster and 10 new players airlifted in, Wings going with their own prospect program there was no where to land for Kostin in Detroit. Doesn't mean theres not a player there.

Kind of interesting too in this thread that Kostin has scored 17NHL goals since the last time Brown ever scored one.

ps Kostin is 24 the rest of this season. Something doesn't add up. You can't even be straight regarding the age of the player?

 

[ujju2]

Actually quite liking Brown's play recently. Wouldn't be surprised if he continues to improve and ends up as a difference-maker to some degree come playoff time.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Actually quite liking Brown's play recently. Wouldn't be surprised if he continues to improve and ends up as a difference-maker to some degree come playoff time.

Despite never being that and having one goal his whole playoff career. I mean I guess its nice to think that I can go outside and see flying rainbow unicorns but it probably ain't happening.

I am a bit hungover though so maybe a pink elephant at least.

jk around.

But joking aside its a case, sorry, of seeing something just how we want to see it. For instance earlier, and as recently as a month ago most of the board were prepared to get rid of McLeod for peanuts. "while we can". despite McLeod having a lot of good asssets, speed, able to skate with puck, gain zone, pk etc. All of these skillsets were being diminished. Even though McLeod was bringing his sets every game. McLeod also producing some. But there was ZERO patience with that player just because he'd been here awhile.

But somehow the patience for Brown just being a pk player and being really poor here at EV is endless. Half a season of it now. Brown rushes the puck into zone or gets a shot off and its as if he's "playing really well" McLeod could make the same play several times in a game and he's "useless"

What it amounts to is we all have our picks and faves but I'll go with the prospect showing promise almost any time.

The Brown is "Continuing to improve" comments have now been occurring 3mths long. At some point without any results it would seem at best that is being overstated. At worst its looking like fiction.

 

[ujju2]

The Brown is "Continuing to improve" comments have now been occurring 3mths long. At some point without any results it would seem at best that is being overstated. At worst its looking like fiction.

I don't really think that's true, at least from my end. IIRC I first started saying Brown was looking better at some point near the beginning of the current winning streak, maybe a couple games before. It hasn't been more than 10-15 games at most that I think he's played well. But I do think he's played well over the past month-ish, and I think that's a positive sign for the team.

As for McLeod, I think playing on the wing is really helping him. Even if he and Foegele slow down and the 2nd line changes, I'd rather see him at 3LW than 3C. But of course that would require someone else to step in at 3C.

 

[harpoon]

I’ve been reading for years how the Blues are a ‘nothing club’ that fluked their way to a SC. So imagine my confusion upon hearing today that they have such a deep lineup that even a stud like Kostin can’t crack it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't really think that's true, at least from my end. IIRC I first started saying Brown was looking better at some point near the beginning of the current winning streak, maybe a couple games before. It hasn't been more than 10-15 games at most that I think he's played well. But I do think he's played well over the past month-ish, and I think that's a positive sign for the team.

As for McLeod, I think playing on the wing is really helping him. Even if he and Foegele slow down and the 2nd line changes, I'd rather see him at 3LW than 3C. But of course that would require someone else to step in at 3C.

Wasn't saying you specifically, just that the comments have been all over. The "its coming" got meme worthy here. Those takes have been happening for months. The guy can't help but bag a goal eventually and I suspect the first will be an empty net but he shows zero confidence around net and isn't even making moves at net. He's pushing pucks into pads, looking every bit a player that hasn't scored in 50 games.

The Oilers have even tried everything to get him going. Giving him credit for goals scored, playing him with McDrai, on the PP, lol. Putting him out multiple shifts with empty nets. Its incredible something doesn't even bounce in off him with the point shots we're taking but Brown shows little intent to park around the net. He'll go to the net, he's not staying in spots and he's avoiding hits.

I wish the NHL kept stats on how many hits a player takes. Because it would be meaningful measure of willingness to stand and battle, or be around net, or take hits to make plays. With Connor its not a ton, albeit he's been smoked more than a few times due to mobility issues. Connor Brown has probably lost a couple steps.

I've had severe knee injuries. It plays with your mind for a long long time. You get tentative, careful in movements and especially when the knee continues to have some problems. Brown missed games, possibly due to related injury this season. He doesn't look as well as the 100% ready he and his agent were saying.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Kostin who I've been told by radio people is not a defensively sound player is currently crushing brown in +/- right now at +2

(Edited due to phone posting issues)

plus minus doesn't tell if you're good defensively or not.

Such an outdated stat.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Kostin scored 5 goals in STL in just over 40GP. How is that "didn't score at all"?

He even had 4G 5A 9pts in 40GP in only 9mins of action/game there last season. Given half a chance that season and even average minutes per game like 12-13 and he paces out to around 25pts that season as a very young player finding his way.
The problem in STL was Not Kostin, or him not getting a drop done (like Brown here) it was he was drafted by an SC club with a deep forward lineup that was hard to crack. Thats it.

Its well known some prospects can get lost in the mix once the draft team moves them. Right or wrong such players get typecast as you are doing. That doesn't mean the player will never bloom, tons of stories where players do start hitting it in the NHL at his age given the CHANCE.

As far as the coaching and usage in STL its the same story as a lot of coaches that go more with vet players or the teams own prospects. Even while vet players that are playing poorly,

Another problem in Detroit is the youth that are getting the chance are of course the high profile players the Wings themselves have drafted. Guys like Raymond, Velano, Rasmussen.

Kostin and his agent screwed up. Turns out with the stacked roster and 10 new players airlifted in, Wings going with their own prospect program there was no where to land for Kostin in Detroit. Doesn't mean theres not a player there.

Kind of interesting too in this thread that Kostin has scored 17NHL goals since the last time Brown ever scored one.

ps Kostin is 24 the rest of this season. Something doesn't add up. You can't even be straight regarding the age of the player?

You seem to make lots of excuses for Kostin.

Maybe hes just not that good if every coach uses him the same way.