Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

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Has there ever been another contract before with such a big bonus paid out for such a ridiculous thing as playing 10 games? Like wtf man... just show up to work and we will pay you your big bonus... doesn't matter how you perform.
The ten games threshold has become a common condition. The value of the contract is a bit unusual in part because he is much younger than most players with such a deal.

In the end this deal was about the Oiler's lack of cap space. It was too much but the idea was certainly reasonable.
 
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The 10 games is kind of irrelevant. This contract was basically just Holland wanting to give him $4M, but only being able to afford giving him $775k this year.

It's kind of Holland's MO where he seems to make even worse decisions to try to fix his bad decisions.
Sure, it was just a creative way of getting around the cap.
 
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The ten games threshold has become a common condition. The value of the contract is a bit unusual in part because he is much younger than most players with such a deal.

In the end this deal was about the Oiler's lack of cap space. It was too much but the idea was certainly reasonable.

The idea was awful.

People don't understand that deferred dead cap is terrible.

He did it because he knew he wasn't going to be GM next year, saw the team was courting Staois, and didn't give a crap about leaving a mess for the next GM.
 
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He was coming back from injury to start with, and got injured again.

There is a timeline here where Brown just hasn't got fully up to speed and can capture his past self again. It can take this long. We just saw Kane take a while to recover from almost dying
 
The 10 games is kind of irrelevant. This contract was basically just Holland wanting to give him $4M, but only being able to afford giving him $775k this year.

It's kind of Holland's MO where he seems to make even worse decisions to try to fix his bad decisions.
Yah I guess I got to stop thinking about the $3 million next year as a bonus based on 10 games... But rather view it as a $4 million contract being paid over 2 years. I dunno... Still an awful contract nonetheless.

But still ...we were given a second chance to get out of that $3 million next year by waiving Brown when he was injured before game 10. It's not often you get a chance to recoup $3 million in capspace... and the Oilers were given that opportunity and I think they blew it by not taking advantage of that. We probably look like dickheads doing that.. but I don't care.
 
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He was coming back from injury to start with, and got injured again.

There is a timeline here where Brown just hasn't got fully up to speed and can capture his past self again. It can take this long. We just saw Kane take a while to recover from almost dying
Brown is nothing like Kane and his salary is a joke based on his accomplishments.
Kassian 2.0 is more like it and shouldn't be making more than 2M.
 
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We basically have to cut salary by TDL and be below cap to save ourselves from his stupid ass bonus

Fn Holland
Which I contend if the team is still bipolar and on the outside that is what they need to do this year. He as royally screwed this team next year out of a decent roster player for the worst forward in the nhl this year. Brilliant.
 
He was coming back from injury to start with, and got injured again.

There is a timeline here where Brown just hasn't got fully up to speed and can capture his past self again. It can take this long. We just saw Kane take a while to recover from almost dying
He was just a poor gamble. He scored 40 points once in his career a few years ago, and the injury completely derailed him. They basically gave him the contract reserved to a 2nd or elite 3rd liner.
 
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Rereading the first several pages of this thread was an eye opener. I can’t remember a thread with so many bad takes. Closest to this was probably when Mac T was announced as GM.
 
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The idea was awful.

People don't understand that deferred dead cap is terrible.

He did it because he knew he wasn't going to be GM next year, saw the team was courting Staois, and didn't give a crap about leaving a mess for the next GM.
There is no difference between deferred dead cap and current cap. It's just a matter of how it is distributed. The point was that you had a choice for this year to either go with a guy who was suppose to be a $4M player or a $775 replacement level player and save the cap space for next year. Either you make the team better this year or next is the choice. In such a case, with a team that is suppose tp be a contender the best choice is maximize the team now and deal with next year when it comes. And even with the carry over, the team should have had cap flexibility next year to improve the roster. The real issue is that Brown is not living up to the $775M price tag, let alone the $4M. If he was sitting with 7 goals and 20 points right now I doubt anyone would be complaining.

I said from the beginning that Brown's deal was too much. At the time I felt $3M was the right number. But the strategy absolutely made sense given the Oilers cap situation now and in the future. Now if you want to blame Holland for poor cap management getting the team to that place so be it. He is deserving of that criticism.

Here is roughly what the Oilers would have as a starting point next year if they buyout Campbell. With the full overage this leaves them with at least $5.9M with 20 players signed.

Kane, Evander
$5,125,000
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LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Hyman, Zach
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Lavoie, Raphael
$850,000
RW, C
RFA
Waivers Exempt
Holloway, Dylan
$1,000,000
LW, C
RFA
McLeod, Ryan
$2,100,000
C
RFA - 1
Foegele, Warren
$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA
Janmark, Mattias
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA
Ryan, Derek
$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Gagner, Sam
$775,000
RW, C
UFA
LW7RW7
Roster created at CapFriendly.com | Follow on Twitter @CapFriendly

Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Nurse, Darnell
$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
Bouchard, Evan
$3,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
Skinner, Stuart
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 2
Ekholm, Mattias
$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Ceci, Cody
$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
G2
Kulak, Brett
$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Desharnais, Vincent
$900,000
RD
UFA
G3
Waivers Exempt
Broberg, Philip
$900,000
LD
RFA

As I pointed out many times there are ways to get even more cap space if needed without using up massive amounts of capital. So it's not like they have no options next year.
 
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He was coming back from injury to start with, and got injured again.

There is a timeline here where Brown just hasn't got fully up to speed and can capture his past self again. It can take this long. We just saw Kane take a while to recover from almost dying

I guess where I get frustrated with is why does this seem to be an Oiler or should I say. A crap organization issue?

I don't know what to believe. Players take x months just to find their game again.

Then I watch Mark stone miss a shit load of time for Vegas. Come back.. and absolutely nail it out of the park. How come he didn't have this 6 months period to remember how to play hockey? How come Kucherov missed a whole season and kicked playoff ass.

I know I know.. All players heal and blah blah blah differently. Good players find their game faster? It just seems the Oilers always get the players that take forever or remain broken.

I'm done with this excuse from Brown. I don't believe it's a physical thing at all anymore. It's mental.

So now I'm going to the lay the blame on Brown for not being able to find the mental space to return to form. And I'm also going to blame the Oilers for not finding a way to get brown to that mental space. Other teams and players do it. Like all things it's likely a combination.

And the combination of Brown and Oilers recovering from injury = FAIL
 
Rereading the first several pages of this thread was an eye opener. I can’t remember a thread with so many bad takes. Closest to this was probably when Mac T was announced as GM.
Yep, some of comments made from certain posters in regard to people that were questioning this signing from the onset are hilarious. I hope they feel shame and don’t come out so aggressive the next time someone has a differing of opinion.

I thought this was an awful signing as soon as I heard the details of the bonus, how anyone could have truly thought this was a smart decision is mind boggling.
 
Yep, some of comments made from certain posters in regard to people that were questioning this signing from the onset are hilarious. I hope they feel shame and don’t come out so aggressive the next time someone has a differing of opinion.

I thought this was an awful signing as soon as I heard the details of the bonus, how anyone could have truly thought this was a smart decision is mind boggling.
At first I was like "Okay we signed a guy for cheap with performance bonus, that should be fine. He performs we pay, if not or well. Low risk!"
Then I heard it was games played and was like "Thats less exciting but there will probably be a few stages of games played mark so it should be too bad, or maybe it'll be like 40 games so if he is really strugglign we can deal with it"/
Then it was 10 games and I just lost it.

It was a bad and risky idea from then on and any potential good didn't even close to outweigh the risk. Its like people entirely forgot that he missed an entire year of playing hockey. Thats not something a guy just jumps in and doesn't skip a beat.
 
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Question, if they trade brown this year lets say on Jan 1st who has to pay and have the bonus apply to aav. if the acquiring team has to pay it my guess is brown gets moved wtih a sweetner. But im not sure. figured this was already brought up here so I would ask the experts.
 
Brown is nothing like Kane and his salary is a joke based on his accomplishments.
Kassian 2.0 is more like it and shouldn't be making more than 2M.
Kassian without the physicality. Seemed pretty clear a Connor Brown coming off extensive injury that caused him to miss a whole season was going to be tentative. He wasn't that good anyway and was years off his best. He ran worse than Yamamoto type numbers his last year in Ottawa. Hardly anybody even glanced at that it seems.

People got some kind of hard on thinking (for some reason) that Connor Brown was going to be Hyman part 2. I thought he was gonna be a brutal addition and said so.
 
Yep, some of comments made from certain posters in regard to people that were questioning this signing from the onset are hilarious. I hope they feel shame and don’t come out so aggressive the next time someone has a differing of opinion.

I thought this was an awful signing as soon as I heard the details of the bonus, how anyone could have truly thought this was a smart decision is mind boggling.
meh, a lot of the same posters thought signing Klim Kostin to a multi year overpay would've been a good idea too and look pretty stupid too
 
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Rereading the first several pages of this thread was an eye opener. I can’t remember a thread with so many bad takes. Closest to this was probably when Mac T was announced as GM.
Or ironically Chiarelli. There was always a brand of poster here that would be supporting any gong show move the Oilers made. People were telling me to F-OFF for suggesting Nicholson was a do nothing manager that was way past it.

Its one thing for so many to be wrong, and thats fine, but several had quite a vitriolic fervor about it shouting out anybody opposed to the player or deal.
 
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Question, if they trade brown this year lets say on Jan 1st who has to pay and have the bonus apply to aav. if the acquiring team has to pay it my guess is brown gets moved wtih a sweetner. But im not sure. figured this was already brought up here so I would ask the experts.

It's been asked before but apparently the Oilers have to pay since they put that clause into the contract so it's on the Oilers books regardless of where he gets dealt, salary retention etc etc. The only way the Oilers can get out of paying the 3.25M on next year's cap is if they are under the current year salary cap by that amount before TDL iirc.
 
Yep, some of comments made from certain posters in regard to people that were questioning this signing from the onset are hilarious. I hope they feel shame and don’t come out so aggressive the next time someone has a differing of opinion.

I thought this was an awful signing as soon as I heard the details of the bonus, how anyone could have truly thought this was a smart decision is mind boggling.
Thank you. Deserves to be said. The interesting thing is the same people, none of them have come here to even acknowledge anything. Its just convenient to hive mind pile on posters that have differing take. A lot of that went on.
 
It's been asked before but apparently the Oilers have to pay since they put that clause into the contract so it's on the Oilers books regardless of where he gets dealt, salary retention etc etc. The only way the Oilers can get out of paying the 3.25M on next year's cap is if they are under the current year salary cap by that amount before TDL iirc.
which would mean moving campbell which would cost quit a bit more. Chicago is probably one of the few teams that would even consider taking on campbell. what would the oilers give up to get him off the books. holloway and 1st and hawks send taylor raddsyh back $758AAV, then RFA.
 
meh, a lot of the same posters thought signing Klim Kostin to a multi year overpay would've been a good idea too and look pretty stupid too
lol. Kostin is in a numbers game in Detroit on a deep team not getting the promised toi. Still at least he's scored a couple in limited minutes and hash't been a blackhole there like Brown.

But heres a point. People were describing Kostin as a good greasy player here for bottomsix that could punch donkeys and hit like a truck. He makes a team better for his truculence provided he's used.

Another player that people are now allergic to mentioning, Bjugstad, who I also wanted retained has 19pts in Arizona and playing the game the right way and being effective. But sure nobody bringing that up after several people suggested he was "no loss"

ironically the player that we could only hope Brown would be, we already had in Bjugstad.

Brown was being touted here as a shoe in Topsix player that was going to be Hyman part 2. That was the hyperbole. its not the same.
 
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