ManofSteel55
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Yeah, they won't get a ton of assets for taking back pro-rated salary to make the cap work. It's the cost of doing business with large contracts at the deadline.
Proposal: Oilers need Defense and a Goalie
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can't see the islanders giving him up that cheap plus taking a cap dumpHow about the Oilers try and acquire Sorokin from the Islanders?
Ilya Sorokin
Mikko Koskinen
2022 1st
Conditional 3rd (moves up to a 2nd if some playoff success, TBD) 2023
fair enough . didn't know holloway was valued that high . in another thread i seen a choice of him or lavoie.
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bucks_oil
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Honestly, given his body of work, I'd much rather go for Khudobin... he's also cheaper, so if Dallas will take on Koskinen for a couple of months to gain the benefit of not paying Khudobin next year, I think we could have a deal... it gives Edmonton a little more wiggle room for salaries at the TDL.
I also like Craig Anderson and why not add another 40 year old goalie and corner the market.
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Yeah... definitely not the same.
Holloway, Bourgault & Broberg are recent 1st rounders that have impressed since, so we view them > a 1st since they are developing well and nearer to the NHL.
Lavoie is also a recent 1st, but he's slipped a bit into our 2nd tier of prospects.
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Oilers do need a more reliable #1 goalie-that's true. As for defensive help, yeah, I can see that but what they really need is a recommitment to team defense even if that means sacrificing a little offensive production. They could also use another top six forward that can take some of the pressure off McDrai. What kind of cap space do they have to make a deal (s)?
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I doubt (and probably many other GMs) Benson will ever make the NHL. So this package is really ugly for Boston. Ullmark's Co tract isn't ideal in Boston at the moment but that doesn't mean it's actually a bad contract. Ullmark is a starter - probably best as a 1a. So you won't get him for peanuts.
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How about the Oilers try and acquire Sorokin from the Islanders?
Ilya Sorokin
Mikko Koskinen
2022 1st
Conditional 3rd (moves up to a 2nd if some playoff success, TBD) 2023
I'd pay for the dinner first, it would be more respectful lol
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I'd offer more if it'd be fairer to the Islanders. No problem with that.
Koskinen at least isn't the cap dump that people portray him as. His contract is over in 40 games or so and is fine as a back up. He definitely isn't a starter. As stated above I'd add to get Sorokin. Not trying to pull a fast one here on the NYI.
Good grief that is bad for the Oilers. You have them adding on top of Broberg? Who wouldn't be available for Ullmark anyway? Geez.
At a $4.5 million cap hit and a save percentage at .900 the last two years Koskinen is the very definition of a cap dump. The only good thing is that the bloated contract expires this year. But there will definitely be a fairly high cost if the Oilers want to get out of that contract early.
Are you of the thinking it would cost the Oilers a 1st to move him? Can you demonstrate any other expiring contract at that number which cost a 1st mid way through the year? I can't.
So, just to be clear for everyone on this website: Koskinen's contract is done in 48 games. Pro rated:
48/82 = 58.5%
$4.5 Million X 58.5% = $2.63 Million.
That is what is left on Koskinen's contract.
I’m thinking it would cost at least a second for someone to take on that cap hit. Cap space has significant value and taking on Koskinen is wasting cap that could be used on a productive player. Marleau cost a first to move a year and he was still a decent player. Koskinen is not really even a decent backup with that save percentage.
Nobody will take Price right now, Price is not ready to play, in fact Price may try again but his Knee his hip his head just might force him into ltir forever of an out right retirement, its all up in the air. This is not the oil problem its all in the hands of the habs to deal with. This is why the habs are diving to the bottom this year. As for the OIL well its clear they need d AND goalie. In this league you get what you pay for, there is NO SUCH THING as a top goalie for cheap. Its real simple, If you want a good goalie your going to have to pay something GOOD, something you dont want to give but THATS the truth. The only other way to solve your long term goalie problem is to DRAFT and wait until he is ready for prime time. That means you are burning down 2-3 years of a Stanley cup win.
Marleau had WAY more on his contract owing than Koskinen and even then it was thought to be an overpayment. Bad example.
I disagree. It’s a great example as to why bad contracts have a high cost to move in a cap world and there are countless other examples. Marleau was $6 million plus. Koskinen is $4.5 million. It will cost at least a second. You’re dreaming if you don’t see him as a cap dump. That’s a bad contract and the Oilers will have to pay another team to take on a goalie that is a .900 goalie. Welcome to the cap world.
I don't disagree that Koskinen will cost something from the Oilers to move. That is a reality in our cap world. I keep seeing people post how it will cost a 1st and I don't see any contract with $2.6 M left on it as costing that much.
So as I stated in my proposal I offered a conditional 3rd, which could move to a 2nd depending on how the Oilers do, let's say get out of the 1st round. I see that as a relatively fair price to move Koskinen.
Fair enough. I said it would cost a second round pick. I don’t see any team taking that contract on for a conditional third. Marleau was owed more but was a useful player still. I see Koskinen more as a pure cap dump.
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Marleau was useless as a player as it was well known he was never going to play for the Canes. 1st round pick saved Toronto 6 million. You think the Oilers will have to pay a 2nd to save 2.5 million?
If Marleau was useless what does that make Koskinen? Marleau scored 10 goals in 58 games with San Jose after the trade.
Marleau was grossly overpaid but definitely not useless. I would not be shocked to see Koskinen in Europe next year. There’s just not a market for .900 goalies.
Cap space has significant value and unlike when Marleau was moved, the cap is not projected to rise so it’s value is even higher. Any team in the playoffs could use that $2.5 million cap space to acquire a $4.5 million player who can actually help the team significantly so there will be a limited market for teams willing to take on a pure dump.
I think a second round unprotected pick is a reasonable price based on the current cap environment.
We will see who is right.
No one really cares for 30 games or whatever. If Koskinen had an extra year left on his deal, then it's a much different story.
The opportunity cost of using up $4.5 million of pro rated cap space on Koskinen is missing out on signing another very good $4.5 million rental player. I think most teams except for a few bottom feeders will care a lot.
And even the bottom feeders will extract a high price given the long list of teams trying to dump cap. That’s why we see so few teams being able to shed cap. It’s just very difficult in a flat cap world.
