Value of: Oilers need a Goalie

[SI]

I hate it. I recogize that it might be the cost to do the deal, but I hate it, ha ha ha.

yeah, I agree means we are getting closer to what it would cost.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Lavoie likely doesn't move the needle.

Chiarot is touted to be going for a 1st + small add (Savard wasn't as high on the TDL board last year and got a 1st + a 3rd. Actually a 4th rd pick was also part of the package to get the double retention.)

So if Chiarot is seen as returning more than Savard (1, 3, & 4th), we're probably looking at 1 + late 2nd.
Considering Mtl takes a 4.5M salary dump back + send over Allen for 2 years, that's likely the bridge there between 1+2nd for 1+1 (value wise).

Two late firsts in terms of value makes sense. (that's why i threw the conditional 3 just in case.)

Thats a whole lot of mental gymnastics to justify overpaying 2 1st round picks for MTLs mediocre players

 

[The Moose is Loose]

yeah, I agree means we are getting closer to what it would cost.

Why would a team pay a 1st+ (and Bourgalt's stock has gone up since being drafted) for a player that the Bruins got for free earlier this year

Plus it'd be a bad look for the Bruins to trade a guy who just signed a longterm UFA deal with them

 

[Canuck86]

Why are the Bruins bending over backwards to help the Oilers? They are retaining and taking on Koskinen? Where is the market to "flip Koskinen for futures?"

Koskinen would clear waivers.

No shit, but Koskinen comes off the books this summer I think, Ullmark has a few years and if Rask is back he probably signs again in the off season and he would be their #1, freeing up the 5m to help the team.

The market would be flip Koskinen to a team like Arizona and add a draft pick to free up the 4.5m immediately so team could add a D or F piece at the TDL

By no means is this a perfect or easy deal to make but it ''could'' work out for multiple teams if it all came together

 

[Hookslide]

Ullmark makes a lot of sense..just not sure how the deal would go down to fit him in under the cap. Especially as Boston has no need to bring another goalie back.

Edmonton, Boston , and Arizona should do a three way , picks players whatever Edmonton I think would be interested in DeBrusk , Ullmark the Bruins should be interested in Chychrun and Crouse Arizona I am not sure what they want I am picks and young players..........I am sure other names can be added , and it is not easy to pull off but that would be something these teams should be trying to do.........

 

[Hookslide]

Vladar for 2nd + 23' 3rd

Nice return on the Flames investment see as they only gave a 3 to Boston to get him..........

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Swayman and DeBrusk for Yamomoto, Broberg and 1st.

 

[SwedishFire]

Swayman and DeBrusk for Yamomoto, Broberg and 1st.

Nope! Thats littery 2 1st and yamamoto for a goalie and a lowscoring winger

 

[TomKosto]

Price in the playoff with McJesus and Drai? Could do heavy damage.

 

[BAdvocate]

If not Toews, another good option to show McTankvid how to lead a team would be Joe Pavelski.

 

[TFHockey]

I'd been interested in Vejmelka after watching his highlights. Would Arizona move him? Could be the right guy for Edmonton.

In a perfect world Holland would put together a package for Chychrun, Vejmelka and Kessel @50% but that is probably too much to hope for. A top flight GM might be able to do it but Holland can't I don't think. Sadly.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Probably should have thought of that sometime in the last 13 years. When they were picking at not only the top of the 1st round, but of every round.

Frankly, it's ridiculous the Oilers' tandem at this juncture of McDavid's career is Mike Smith on his deathbed and a KHL washout. Grounds for terminating the entire front office.

 

[Chayos]

Probably should have thought of that sometime in the last 13 years. When they were picking at not only the top of the 1st round, but of every round.

Frankly, it's ridiculous the Oilers' tandem at this juncture of McDavid's career is Mike Smith on his deathbed and a KHL washout. Grounds for terminating the entire front office.

This barely registers compared to the other reasons we have for getting rid of the entire shit show at this point. The last 15 years has been full of false hope and disappointment brought about by a lot of the people who continue to run this team. Holland and Tippet are just the latest incarnation of terrible management. I think Holland is an overly patient GM and he let opportunities pass by that could have solved the goalie issues. It isn't that that pisses me of as much as signing Smith to a 2 year deal at 39 years old. It appears it was going to be costly to move Koskinen, so we should have signed a number one or traded for one when we had cash in the summer. The money we are spending on Keith should have been used for a goalie. The other cap bleed out of contracts to nothing players like Shore, Ryan, Kassian and Koekoek wasted the money we could have used on defenseman. I still like the Hyman and Ceci signing, but those good signing don't counter balance the other issues with Holland.

 

[TFHockey]

This barely registers compared to the other reasons we have for getting rid of the entire shit show at this point. The last 15 years has been full of false hope and disappointment brought about by a lot of the people who continue to run this team. Holland and Tippet are just the latest incarnation of terrible management. I think Holland is an overly patient GM and he let opportunities pass by that could have solved the goalie issues. It isn't that that pisses me of as much as signing Smith to a 2 year deal at 39 years old. It appears it was going to be costly to move Koskinen, so we should have signed a number one or traded for one when we had cash in the summer. The money we are spending on Keith should have been used for a goalie. The other cap bleed out of contracts to nothing players like Shore, Ryan, Kassian and Koekoek wasted the money we could have used on defenseman. I still like the Hyman and Ceci signing, but those good signing don't counter balance the other issues with Holland.

I don't mean to defend Holland, but he did try to sign some free agent goaltenders this off season. But, he failed to do so and Smith was a plan B.

All of this remains an indictment of him as a GM. Holland should have found a way to get a better goalie tandem but he hoped things would just "work out". That is the issue for this team as I see it. For years they've always hoped it just would work out. They constantly get players and hope they are ready for a bigger role than the one they were in before Edmonton. Just drafted RNH? Sure, put him as a #1 C in a division where he goes head to head against guys like Kopitar and Getzlaf in their prime. Need a defenseman? Grab a 5-6 guy and play him in a 3-4 or even a 1-2 position. Do it over and over. Something has to stick.

It might work out.

GM after GM, coach after coach, and we are still seeing the same holes in the line up and the same mistakes being made. The title of this thread should read "The Oilers STILL need a Goalie."

They still need a lot of things. I don't have much faith they can fix all of these issues in the next 3-4 years. And that is the timeline that matters most. We all know why.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Probably should have thought of that sometime in the last 13 years. When they were picking at not only the top of the 1st round, but of every round.

Frankly, it's ridiculous the Oilers' tandem at this juncture of McDavid's career is Mike Smith on his deathbed and a KHL washout. Grounds for terminating the entire front office.

Agreed. One of the most frustrating draft moments in recent Oiler fa history was hearing that we drafted Tyler Benson instead of Carter Hart. I was certain we were taking Hart.

 

[Rals]

You want Matt Murray? ... Please....




Nah, no one wants Matt Murray, he's the worst goalie in the NHL

 

[Osakahaus]

Oilers should really look at semyon varlamov imo. he's better than smith and koskinen, and it's someone they really can use. Too bad I doubt it happens and they instead trade for Fleury lol

 

[McJedi]

Oilers 2022 1st lottery protected for MAF at 50%.

If the oil still miss the playoffs and doesn’t transfer as a first….

Becomes a 2022 2nd and 2023 3rd.

 

[SwedishFire]

I don't mean to defend Holland, but he did try to sign some free agent goaltenders this off season. But, he failed to do so and Smith was a plan B.

All of this remains an indictment of him as a GM. Holland should have found a way to get a better goalie tandem but he hoped things would just "work out". That is the issue for this team as I see it. For years they've always hoped it just would work out. They constantly get players and hope they are ready for a bigger role than the one they were in before Edmonton. Just drafted RNH? Sure, put him as a #1 C in a division where he goes head to head against guys like Kopitar and Getzlaf in their prime. Need a defenseman? Grab a 5-6 guy and play him in a 3-4 or even a 1-2 position. Do it over and over. Something has to stick.

It might work out.

GM after GM, coach after coach, and we are still seeing the same holes in the line up and the same mistakes being made. The title of this thread should read "The Oilers STILL need a Goalie."

They still need a lot of things. I don't have much faith they can fix all of these issues in the next 3-4 years. And that is the timeline that matters most. We all know why.

It is absolutley fixable.

Whats in the way is the capworld, no team have space for trading salary diffrence, and if so, the price is more heavy than for an actual NHL player (not elite). Edmontons main problem is Koskinens NMC heavy four point 5 freaking crazy millins. I M P O S S I B L E to move, if they dont make a bigger deal with him stampled with Barrie or the first for two assets, where one of them is a goalie.

Problem is if oilers trade a top player in the sweeten up deal, there is another hole to fill.

Forwards have a marginal depth, but Ds havent.
Reason ; Good to great Ds are harder to develope, harder to find.

So Holland should just do what he does best, sit on his hand, hope for the best and just dont do any panictrade that will make the oilers suffer.
What they can do is to call up Skinner and scan the market after some steasy 3rd pair D, and 3rd line wingers find with some smart trading with depth players.

If they want a quick fox, the best is just to stample a first to Koskknen and get an elite goalie retained. It could be worth it.

A 1st rounder doesnt play in oilers dresd than in 2 -3 years in Hollands world. Oilers former 1sr rounders 2019 - 2021 is just to jump in. So a 1st rounder this year could be used if anything fantastic comes Hollands way. But nothing else.

Thats my fix. Oilers are a bit haunted bu injuries, covid and frustration. Just coach the youngsters smart - not to much - not to less minitues and ride out the pain, ot will be worth is.

 

[BBKers]

Georgiev to Oil for KK and that conditional 2nd from Chicago. If the conditions from the Keith deal are met, good for Edmonton, then it becomes a 3rd to NYR. Edmonton gets some necessary cap relief outta this too in order to make a deadline deal. Fair for all IMO

 

[McJedi]

Georgiev to Oil for KK and that conditional 2nd from Chicago. If the conditions from the Keith deal are met, good for Edmonton, then it becomes a 3rd to NYR. Edmonton gets some necessary cap relief outta this too in order to make a deadline deal. Fair for all IMO

I don’t think the Rangers would accept that offer. Just keep Geo as your backup thru their season and playoffs and trade his RFA rights around the draft.

 

[bernmeister]

Georgiev to Oil for KK and that conditional 2nd from Chicago. If the conditions from the Keith deal are met, good for Edmonton, then it becomes a 3rd to NYR. Edmonton gets some necessary cap relief outta this too in order to make a deadline deal. Fair for all IMO

hey my friend, convo me when you get a chance and we catch up
my below is better win win and, tho small sample size, regarded as such.

lavoie a 2nd who some view as a 1st who fell
that is better than a maybe
Kosk we can send down to the A and see if Benny Allaire can improve for insurance, obv we cut bait w/him post season as ufa
Hajek I feel for b'c he was lights out all star 4 games, got injured, and we never got him back on track, should get like a 5th or so for him, but at this pt I'm ok to give him a good home now if we clear up a roster spot, also moving his cap, tho small, is a +.

I don’t think the Rangers would accept that offer. Just keep Geo as your backup thru their season and playoffs and trade his RFA rights around the draft.

No on self renting.
this is the idiocy they did w/Buch and then finally all they had were rfa rights, when if they moved him when he was actually available b'c he had term, even tho his game was still evolving he had good value of cheap $ vs production, they could have gotten a LOT more. But nooooooooooooo, we had to be greedy.

Obv Geo is better than either Kinkaid or Huska, but he needs starter work to stay sharp.
Are we gonna do that and play Shesty less? Again, nooooooooooo.

Typically, Shesty will play starter mins including vs tougher teams.
Kinkaid can handle the rest, but I'd like to see what Huska has in the tank.
Got his cherry popped vs Avs, who are tough scoring competition, and mo important, I saw that game and while he flubbed the 1st goal, he also got zero support rest of the game.

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hey guys, I had a better one posted in NYR-EDM thread at post 106 I believe.
In pertinent part:

Geo + Hajek + NYR 2022 4th [you have no 4th atm]
for
Lavoie + Kosk + EDM 2023 3rd

all salaries full pop which gives you a bit of instant cap relief

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[BoldNewLettuce]

Another hot and cold goalie (most goalies) isnt going to help--well it may help.

The issue is coaching and that they lost both klefbom and larsson while nurse and barrie are regressing/not as good as they needed to be.

 

[bernmeister]

Another hot and cold goalie (most goalies) isnt going to help--well it may help.

The issue is coaching and that they lost both klefbom and larsson while nurse and barrie are regressing/not as good as they needed to be.

that's part of it

 

[McOvechking]

Swayman and DeBrusk for Yamomoto, Broberg and 1st.

When you said Swayman did you mean to say peak Rask?