Post-Game Talk: Oilers Jets Post Game

[RCAFguy]

Can't break up that 2nd line! Was our best line yet again. 3rd line played great as well. 1st line was disappointing yet again, need to shake it up, with PLD coming in a week or so its time to break up C-S-W.

Would like to see:

Harkins-Schiefele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Stastny-Copp
Connor-PLD-Perreault
Appleton-Lowry-Vesa/Lewis

Just wishful thinking I know.

 

[RCAFguy]

What to do with PLD now?

The way Scheifele has been playing, it should be an easy call. PLD on the 1st line.

 

[RCAFguy]

PLD probably watching the game and wondering where the hell he's slotting in. Deep down inside he's like, oh well at least I got my DeLuca's.

He's watching the game thinking "the way Scheifele is playing, I'm the #1 center now"

 

[jokesondee]

The way Scheifele has been playing, it should be an easy call. PLD on the 1st line.

I would pass out from a combination of shock and all of my blood rushing down to my nether region if that actually happened. Not a chance tough.

 

[Hollywood3]

The Jets have 5 of the top 13 scorers. 3 of those are the line everybody seems to be dumping on.

 

[Whileee]

I am critical of the Scheifele line, and Maurice for playing them so much, but let's not forget that they have been key components in the Jets success earlier this season, and in previous seasons. They'll be fine after a bit of rest.

I'd love to see Ehlers play more, but I also know that when he gets tired he loses all effectiveness. He needs some load management. I think his line missed a couple of shifts because Copp was on the PK. Maybe they could have played another winger with them for a couple of shifts.

 

[Hulide]

What about that ppg Player Adam Lowry what a Beast!!! Nr. 29 in points in NHL

 

[Channelcat]

The Jets have 5 of the top 13 scorers. 3 of those are the line everybody seems to be dumping on.

The stats for Wheeler and Schiefele are brutal.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

You can't break up that second line.

We have the guys to run 4 lines now and ease off of Scheif/Wheeler minutes. They are horrible defensively, as per usual. We can't be going best on best with them they need to be sheltered.

They need some accountability too, the long shifts, the lackadaisical defensive play, they are never held accountable. I could see how that would rub young guys the wrong way.

That said, this is as excited about the Jets I have been in a long time. We have the horses to make some noise. Would like to see Heinola get a shot at sticking in the lineup though, Stanley has been fairly solid but he just doesn't have the upside Heinola does.

 

[Jet]

A refinement to the bolded statement...

It's a Jet's fan forum... some of them only came to watch Laine... which even I think was shallow...

But they contributed... because Laine was here...

Jet's fans show up for different reasons... and there is nothing wrong with that...

I get that, but my issue was that they were here to put Laine over the team - only focused on what was good for PL not the Winnipeg Jets. You say 'Jets fans in your last line', these weren't Jets fans.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Powerplay 1 needs serious work. They couldn't get anything going tonight. PP2 looked a lot better.

Pp1 is always static. They changed the setup with Laine gone, but it’s still static. They go to their stations (if they can gains the zone with that slooooow meander up the ice) and they stay there. I know it, Jets fans know it, I’m sure the whole NHL knows it.

PP2 is fast, dynamic and always creative.

 

[Jet]

Honestly didn't think Hellebuyck played bad. Sure four goals, but the Jets have very good offense. But what the Jets need to do is improve the defense in whatever way they can. As the defense is our screaming weakness right now, I do think we're the best Canadian team in the league. Let's just hope Stastny takes a seniors discount next season.

He certainly righted the ship but 3 goals on 6 shots, oof. The third goal was legit but the first two had a bit of odor. Overall, I have nothing bad to say about him, no goalie is going to be unbeatable every minute of every game.

 

[Atoyot]

4 of our players in Copp, Connor, Ehlers, and Lowry seem to have all taken another step, at least early in the season. And Lowry's doing it without Copp, which is huge.

Lowry's doing things in the offensive zone I've never seen from him. He's nailing cross rink passes to the far dman regularly. His set up to Perreault was perfect. And he still could have had a couple more points last night.

 

[Jets 31]

Agreed 100% this place has become a toxic shit hole, I thought it would get better when the Laine fan boys left. Enjoy the rest of the season.

Don't leave we need good posters like you.

 

[Jet]

Ehlers, Copp, Stastny and Big Adam Lowry, what a bunch!

TOI distribution was a bit dubious as always with Maurice, but at least he did give pretty nice TOI for Copp. Still even Ehlers will not score 1+3 very often with 16.xx TOI.

Stastny has really woken up. He was a bit rusty for like 3 first games. In the previous game that assist to Ehlers was a beauty and this game his assist to Ehlers after dragging all attention to him was not too bad either.

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I feel like the worm is turning with Nik. Maurice seems to be growing more and more confident about his game, and called him mature. That coupled with a defensively aware PLD should result in more minutes for Nik.

 

[scelaton]

Can't break up that 2nd line! Was our best line yet again. 3rd line played great as well. 1st line was disappointing yet again, need to shake it up, with PLD coming in a week or so its time to break up C-S-W.
Would like to see:
Harkins-Schiefele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Stastny-Copp
Connor-PLD-Perreault
Appleton-Lowry-Vesa/Lewis
Just wishful thinking I know.

The only way to effectively break up the first line is to separate Wheeler from Scheifele, so I would play around with that.

If you keep Scheifele and Wheeler together, then insert PLD on LW. Now you have a powerful top line with better possession metrics that could justify high minutes. Lowry stays at 3C and can play the role he did yesterday against McDavid et al.

 

[Jet]

We've talked here before that Ehlers used to look to pass far too much to Laine in the past at times.......2nd line better now without Laine? Not bc Laine isn't talented obviously, but in the past Stats (or all our centres) & Ehlers passed too much to Laine which was very predictable to defend vs. Interesting to see how this plays out long term, not just a small sample size. But at this point, small sample size yes......the 2nd line is looking better (historically) without Laine on it. Haha

Now that Ehlers has seemed to shift to a shoot first bias (thank god), and with the potential of him paired with a center who whilst also not afraid to shoot, will also distribute the puck, it could be a very good year for Nik. Just hope he can stay healthy. He takes a lot of punishment out there.

 

[scelaton]

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[Howard Chuck]

Man dubois can't get here soon enough. So tired of watching Pomo skate Schief and wheels in to exhaustion by the 3rd give the 2nd and 3rd lines more ice time for gods sake. 2nd and 3rd lines could do with more minutes and schief and wheels will be actually effective come 3rd period.

You would think this wouldn’t be rocket science. Especially with the way the Stastny and Lowry lines are playing.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

You're absolutely correct. Man that's old footage of Cowboy Bob, he didn't have his perpetually injured forerarm and it's a better fit for Bret Hart anyways. the term was iconic for him for a reason.

It for sure will always be associated with Brett but my man Orton did bring it out of Gorilla. Wrestlemania III was the first show I remembering hearing him use it for both of them on the same show. By Wrestlemania IV the saying was distinctly Hitman's.

 

[Jet]

="scelaton, post: 175441846, member: 167725"]Ehlers-Stastny-Copp
Connor-PLD-Wheeler
Appleton-Lowry-Vesa/Lewis

Just wishful thinking I know.


If you keep Scheifele and Wheeler together, then insert PLD on LW. Now you have a powerful top line with better possession metrics that could justify high minutes. Lowry stays at 3C and can play the role he did yesterday against McDavid et al.

Id much rather put Stasny at wing than PLD. If we make Pierre a winger that nullifies a significant amount of value we got in that trade. Stasny has already said he's game to play wing. It might actually help him be a bit more offensively minded. I'm thinking similar to Little who scored 30 on the wing.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I'd still really like to see 3 scoring pairs and one shutdown line:

55-26
81- 13
25-27
17-23

Then you have Connor, Perreault, Copp, and Harkins to plug in on the 3 scoring lines, and Vesalainen, Apples, and Gus to plug into that 4th line.

Now you can really see nightmarish matchups for other teams. You could also see some pretty even 5v5 ice time distributions amongst the 4th lines. You could throw the 'bottom' 2 lines out against the oppositions top lines (keep Copp on that 3rd line), and then have the top 2 feast on better matchups.

Truly scary for the opposition.

 

[DiggerD]

The Jets have 5 of the top 13 scorers. 3 of those are the line everybody seems to be dumping on.

Could be worse, could be 1 point behind one of those top 13 scorers, and people be hoping you get demoted to the fourth line, and get 6 minutes of ice a game.

 

[HannuJ]

so, our modem's kaput. no watching games for the next few days until TekSavvy's turtle ships it here on friday.

i just watched the Youtube 9 minute version. so my thoughts are whatever. lol.

First, Forbort: anyone here still shitting on that signing? i really dig it. a very solid bottom 3 D-man. and i'm guessing he's a "solid veteran presence." i very much like his game.

Second, Ehlers. Possibly the most underrated Jet among fans and across the league and with our coaching staff. we have to seriously ask ourselves: is he our best player? if you laugh and say "hell no", you should probably sit this out for a bit until the reality pill kicks in. Nik Ehlers is probably our best player (after Hellebyuck, circa 2019-20).

Third: Copp and Lowry. What the heck's going on here?

Fourth: Stastny. Still not off the "he's done" side. i thought that his energy petered out at the end of the Jets' playoff run. legs got heavy. slow first few games, but whatever. He's done that cut-across move in the O-zone twice now. that....is a nice move. both times, great results.

Matty P: found the fountain of youth. likely was drinking out of Omands Creek to relieve a hangover. but Matty may be back, baby. and that's quite a surprise.

Jets' D: we'll be talking about this until Maurice smartens up. I mean, without having watched the entire game, and taking away the 1 softy Helle let in: our GAA isn't good. either blame the goalie, blame the D or blame both. I blame Helle for 1 bad goal a game. sometimes you have to give credit to the other team when they score (see: McDavid's goal). but the Jets' D needs the 6 best D-men on the ice. While we've all been pleasantly surprised by Stanley's game, we all set the bar really, really low. He's a 6th d-man on this team. maybe works his way up to 2nd pairing down the road. with some luck and further progress, anything's possible.

But there is ZERO reason to not have Heinola in the line-up. guy's a stud. he is a smart player. screw the fear of him getting pushed around in the zone. if Enstrom was fine, Heinola can be fine.

I can get the argument that Samberg needs some AHL seasoning. i'm actually cool with it. i think we, as fans, have put way too much hype behind a guy that we've seen play 1 exhibition game. and he looked fine/good for part of it and ok for the rest. but Heinola? f this. Put the guy in. Take BooBoo or Stanley out. in fact, put in Poolman (once healthy) and Heinola in, take out BooBoo and Stanley. put Heinola with Morrissey. Demelo and Poolman? sure. a dud line. not sure what they can do offensively, but whatever.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Love seeing so many Jets bear the top, but I disagree with your comments about CSW. That line has been a defensive liability for two years now, and they continue to rock a negative xGoals differential.

They are overplayed. Ehlers should lead this team in ice time every night. He continues to be there best player.

I agree. I know we like to make excuses for CSW because they are our leadership and have always been our top players, but this isn’t one bad game. We have been seeing the same thing for a couple of years now. Connor vastly improves when moved away from 55/26.

If it’s just being worn down and coach doesn’t see what everyone else on the planet sees, then I would hope that our leadership recognizes that they can improve the team as a whole and approaches the coach about evening out the TOI.

I was going through possible lines this morning and I realized that I don’t even know what to do with Wheeler. Connor, Ehlers, Stastny, scheifele (most times), likely PLD and yes, even Copp I can see in the top six moving around as needed. They are probably Interchangeable, but unless Wheeler suddenly improves, I can’t see him over any of those 6 I mentioned.

I know I’ll take heat for being honest but I honestly don’t think Wheeler is better than any of those 6 I mentioned anymore.

Not trying to Wheeler bash, just the way I see it.

 

[FonRiesen]

Id much rather put Stasny at wing than PLD. If we make Pierre a winger that nullifies a significant amount of value we got in that trade. Stasny has already said he's game to play wing. It might actually help him be a bit more offensively minded. I'm thinking similar to Little who scored 30 on the wing.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I'd still really like to see 3 scoring pairs and one shutdown line:

55-26
81- 13
25-27
17-23

Then you have Connor, Perreault, Copp, and Harkins to plug in on the 3 scoring lines, and Vesalainen, Apples, and Gus to plug into that 4th line.

Now you can really see nightmarish matchups for other teams. You could also see some pretty even 5v5 ice time distributions amongst the 4th lines. You could throw the 'bottom' 2 lines out against the oppositions top lines (keep Copp on that 3rd line), and then have the top 2 feast on better matchups.

Truly scary for the opposition.

I just don't think it's smart breaking up the ESC hot line - maybe things will be different a week from now... But why mess with good chemistry?

Of course, I'd much rather have a change in lineup philosophy and rotate through 3 equal scoring lines (Schief, Stats, PLD) and a hard checking line. I'd be shocked.

But Mau *can* change - give him credit for finally matching Lowsy with McD... Better late than never...