Post-Game Talk: Oilers Jets Post Game

[Jetfaninflorida]

We will find out soon enough - there's not too many coaches that would break up Ehlers and Copp right now, especially with their previous stats being solid right now as well... but Maurice goes with his 'gut' a lot

The easiest move is to insert PLD for Stats at 2C and move Stats down to 4C/PP specialist... leave everything else alone, its working right now.

The thing that isn't really working right is CSW. Second line is killing it at both ends of the ice.

I agree that that would be the easiest thing, but how is it the right thing? Take what's not right, and leave it / don't try to make it right. Take what's right and change it for something that has a decent chance of making it not right or less right.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Last night Maurice talked about trying Copp on RW. I think that gives him some interesting options...

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Stastny-PLD-Ehlers
Perreault-Lowry-Copp
Harkins-Gus-Appleton

PLD is a big, fast forward with very good offense to complement Stastny and Ehlers (sort of like a more talented Copp).

Perreault-Lowry-Copp can bring some scoring options considering how well all three are playing this season.

Knowing what is likely and what could work, this looks good!

 

[tbcwpg]

Why does commenting on or questioning a coaches decisions have to be called bashing / out of hand? This is a discussion board about the Winnipeg Jets. Coaches are part of the Winnipeg Jets. I have seen some very thought provoking questions and discussion here. Heck, if anyone can name anyone off limits for discussion, there is no discussion to be had here.

Coaching discussion is fine (especially when coaching decisions beyond one game are in the coaching thread). The issue has been that every thread has turned into a coaching thread, and posts calling Maurice a "clown" and a "loser" and don't add anything further than that have cluttered the conversation.

 

[Whileee]

While everyone revels in their disdain for Scheifele, maybe we should remember that Scheifele has been outstanding in the playoffs, routinely outplaying his match-ups in terms of goals and shot metrics.

The Scheifele bashing on this forum is becoming embarrassing. I am inclined to call Scheifele out for his defensive deficiencies, but he is a top player that will be the key to the Jets' potential as a Cup contender. He's one of the elite players in the NHL, and when he gets dialed he matches the NHL's best players.

Oh, and while we're at it, since everyone seems to like to point to win-loss records as the sine qua non metric for coaches, I suppose we could acknowledge that Maurice is on track for the Adams: 5-2 record, without a star forward, a patchwork D, and middle-of-the pack goaltending.

 

[Jet]

so, our modem's kaput. no watching games for the next few days until TekSavvy's turtle ships it here on friday.

i just watched the Youtube 9 minute version. so my thoughts are whatever. lol.

First, Forbort: anyone here still shitting on that signing? i really dig it. a very solid bottom 3 D-man. and i'm guessing he's a "solid veteran presence." i very much like his game.

Second, Ehlers. Possibly the most underrated Jet among fans and across the league and with our coaching staff. we have to seriously ask ourselves: is he our best player? if you laugh and say "hell no", you should probably sit this out for a bit until the reality pill kicks in. Nik Ehlers is probably our best player (after Hellebyuck, circa 2019-20).

Third: Copp and Lowry. What the heck's going on here?

Fourth: Stastny. Still not off the "he's done" side. i thought that his energy petered out at the end of the Jets' playoff run. legs got heavy. slow first few games, but whatever. He's done that cut-across move in the O-zone twice now. that....is a nice move. both times, great results.

Matty P: found the fountain of youth. likely was drinking out of Omands Creek to relieve a hangover. but Matty may be back, baby. and that's quite a surprise.

Jets' D: we'll be talking about this until Maurice smartens up. I mean, without having watched the entire game, and taking away the 1 softy Helle let in: our GAA isn't good. either blame the goalie, blame the D or blame both. I blame Helle for 1 bad goal a game. sometimes you have to give credit to the other team when they score (see: McDavid's goal). but the Jets' D needs the 6 best D-men on the ice. While we've all been pleasantly surprised by Stanley's game, we all set the bar really, really low. He's a 6th d-man on this team. maybe works his way up to 2nd pairing down the road. with some luck and further progress, anything's possible.

But there is ZERO reason to not have Heinola in the line-up. guy's a stud. he is a smart player. screw the fear of him getting pushed around in the zone. if Enstrom was fine, Heinola can be fine.

I can get the argument that Samberg needs some AHL seasoning. i'm actually cool with it. i think we, as fans, have put way too much hype behind a guy that we've seen play 1 exhibition game. and he looked fine/good for part of it and ok for the rest. but Heinola? f this. Put the guy in. Take BooBoo or Stanley out. in fact, put in Poolman (once healthy) and Heinola in, take out BooBoo and Stanley. put Heinola with Morrissey. Demelo and Poolman? sure. a dud line. not sure what they can do offensively, but whatever.

People still believe that Forbort is bad, somehow. Probably just married to their original bias based on what they'd heard about him before he came here.

I'm liking how our D is shaping up. Beau played very well last night. Morrissey has been much better, Demelo already shaking the rust off, Pionk playing well.

They should keep cycling Stanley and Heinola in and out of the lineup. We won't have a top 10 D, but it's definitely good enough considering our G and F's

 

[DiggerD]

Ehlers has been outstanding, he brings so much speed through the neutral zone, and his zone entries are exceptional. Very exciting to watch, hopefully he is on the ice more soon.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Who would play with Scheif and Wheeler then?

Maybe Gustafson/Vesalainen.

 

[JetsFan815]

We will find out soon enough - there's not too many coaches that would break up Ehlers and Copp right now, especially with their previous stats being solid right now as well... but Maurice goes with his 'gut' a lot

The easiest move is to insert PLD for Stats at 2C and move Stats down to 4C/PP specialist... leave everything else alone, its working right now.

There is no way I am moving Stastny away from that 2nd line. I am putting PLD in the middle and putting Stastny on the wing. While Copp is scoring well right I can't help but think his hands are going to get in the way of his scoring eventually.

 

[Howard Chuck]

There is no way I am moving Stastny away from that 2nd line. I am putting PLD in the middle and putting Stastny on the wing. While Copp is scoring well right I can't help but think his hands are going to get in the way of his scoring eventually.

I don't know if Copp will go cold, but I think the plan is Stastny/PLD/Ehlers

 

[WpgSteve]

I wish the media and Maurice would engage in more detailed discussions of line combinations and usage from time to time. I suspect that Maurice has reasons for what he is doing that, while subject to debate, are logical and among reasonable options. Transparency in decision making would likely improve relations with the players and the more analytical among the fanbase.

 

[Atoyot]

Vesalainen and Stanley reassigned to the taxi squad. Just pinching pennies during the break between games or Poolman ready to go?

 

[Huffer]

Great comeback last night. Not much more can be said about Ehlers,Copp, and Stastny's play. Helle has started a little slow, but if anyone remembers the first few games last year and the articles written about him, I'm willing to give him time to get his game around.

I do want to see Ville back in the lineup. Beau could easily come out. Forbert has been ok, and can't expect much more from him, but he should really be on a team's 3rd pair.

Back to the forwards though and what to do with PLD. First, it will still be a few games before PLD is playing, so everything could change. Lines could get cold, hot, injuries, etc. But, if the Ehlers, Copp, Stastny line is still playing well, I think it really gives a lot of options.

If I start with the premise of keeping that line together, in my mind I'm starting with this (order is not really relevant as I'm hoping ice time is distributed based on game script and play in the game):

A - Scheif - Wheeler
Ehlers - Stastny - Copp
Connor - PLD - B
(4th line depends on who is in spots A and B)

Lowry is one of the 1st guys to try to place. Not sure with the way he is playing if you leave him at 4C. That seems like a waste. Does he fit in A or B?
The other options for A and B are Harkins, and MP. I think Apples is after those 3.

If we get to the point where maybe the Ehlers, Copp, Stas line needs a shakeup, I think I'd like to see something like this:

Ehlers - Scheif - A
Connor - PLD - B
C - Stastny - Wheeler

Nothing against Wheeler, but I think his game is becoming a little more on the cycle, and not based on speed anymore. And that playstyle might mesh better with Stastny. And I want to have a speedy winger with Scheif and PLD to work off the rush.

 

[raideralex99]

So what do you think ... does Maurice sleep like a baby or have restless nights when PLD is finally able to play?
Too many top 6 players ... what a terrible problem to have.

 

[jepjepjoo]

The Jets have 5 of the top 13 scorers. 3 of those are the line everybody seems to be dumping on.

5on5
Scheifele 4pts -2
Wheeler 2pts -5
Connor 5pts +/- 0

 

[Gm0ney]

I would not touch the 2nd line. They have a nice combination of skills and it's clearly working very well. With ESC on the ice, they're outshooting, outchancing, outscoring their opponents by a huge margin. Do. Not. f***. With. It.

The 1st line, however is not doing well. Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler are getting outscored and outchanced by their opponents. The look like crap in their own end. Wheeler looks like a spent force. You see the occasional glimpse of what he once was, but a lot of the time he's a step behind.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

CSW does not deserve as much time as they get. CSW and line 2 deserve almost equal time and if anything deserves more. Maurice earns the clown of the game award for putting Scheifele back out after getting rocked on by McDavid. DeMelo had a strong game, Morrissey looks good. Beaulieu needs to be replaced by Heinola. Perreault looks great where he is.

PLD centering the second line sounds great and I can't wait. Still cautiously optimistic, Sens and Oilers are not good teams. The real test will be Montreal/Calgary/Toronto.

PLD centring the 2nd line?
So you want;
Copp - Stastny - Ehlers
Connor - PLD - Wheeler
???
So ....Scheif at 3RW?

 

[DashingDane]

I think the CSW bashing has gone to far in this thread. Paul is the one playing them too much and they have never been great defensively so not sure why they would magically turn good from one game to another. Btw, 2nd line hasn't been great defensively in the past either. I'm just excited about all the options we get with Copp looking like a legit top 6 and PLD joining.

 

[LowLefty]

People still believe that Forbort is bad, somehow. Probably just married to their original bias based on what they'd heard about him before he came here.

I'm liking how our D is shaping up. Beau played very well last night. Morrissey has been much better, Demelo already shaking the rust off, Pionk playing well.

They should keep cycling Stanley and Heinola in and out of the lineup. We won't have a top 10 D, but it's definitely good enough considering our G and F's

I like the fact that he plays "Defence" - we need a player or two on the D roster at all times.
Too bad they get over looked when we evaluate our needs - we don't need offensive weapons back there - we need guys that can keep it simple.

 

[FonRiesen]

After watching the highlights today, I have to give Forbort some extra credit - he's stepped up into the O zone a few times this season, and that pass to Lowsy was very nice. He's done that same step up a few times with a decent slapper.

I still think some of our young D (Stanley, Heinola, and maybe Samberg) are very close to his level, and will surpass him with a bit of experience. But I'm grateful we don't have Stuart-level D playing. (Even Beau is one notch up from that).

 

[DRW204]

After watching the highlights today, I have to give Forbort some extra credit - he's stepped up into the O zone a few times this season, and that pass to Lowsy was very nice. He's done that same step up a few times with a decent slapper.

I still think some of our young D (Stanley, Heinola, and maybe Samberg) are very close to his level, and will surpass him with a bit of experience. But I'm grateful we don't have Stuart-level D playing. (Even Beau is one notch up from that).

he's been real good imo, esp at 1m. he's not fast at all though which shows at times, but his all around play has been impressive so far.

 

[Gm0ney]

I'm getting more of a Pardy vibe from the Jets defense this year, as opposed to the Stuart vibe that was prevalent last season...

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Stats aren't bashing, they are stats. Stats are a metric that are used to better predict future expected performance. I personally don't only look at stats. I probably use stats a lot less than most. I rely a lot more on what I see on the ice than the stats (old fashioned I guess). Now when what you see matches the stats, that's pretty solid for me.

If stats are seen as bashing a player, the stats for that player must be pretty bad. If you have a decent sample size, it's probably reflective of the quality of on ice play of that player(s).

 

[JetsNut]

PLD sitting at home watching this game...

"Damn, the #1 C position is mine for the taking "

That would be if we had a thinking coach. PLD can come here and absolutely tear it up on the second line and unfortunately he won’t get a sniff of the first line.

 

[irunthepeg]

I can't with the constant Maurice bashing around here. It's gotten way out of f***ing hand.

It's fine to criticise the coach but when you can't post anything but whiny diatribes about Paul Maurice you're really polluting this board and impacting the actual enjoyment and discussion/ debate.

FFS we're 5-2 and look like we're really going to have a strong season. Just try and f***ing enjoy it already.

/Rant

Well said, Jet.

 

[Tommigun]

While everyone revels in their disdain for Scheifele, maybe we should remember that Scheifele has been outstanding in the playoffs, routinely outplaying his match-ups in terms of goals and shot metrics.

The Scheifele bashing on this forum is becoming embarrassing. I am inclined to call Scheifele out for his defensive deficiencies, but he is a top player that will be the key to the Jets' potential as a Cup contender. He's one of the elite players in the NHL, and when he gets dialed he matches the NHL's best players.

Oh, and while we're at it, since everyone seems to like to point to win-loss records as the sine qua non metric for coaches, I suppose we could acknowledge that Maurice is on track for the Adams: 5-2 record, without a star forward, a patchwork D, and middle-of-the pack goaltending.

I don’t think anyone has disdain for Scheifele, why would they? Several people have a disdain for playing him into the ground though. Especially if it’s at the expense of players who are hot atm.