Oilers hype: Is HF buying in on a 2024 run?

[HockeyVirus]

I don't really see the oil as the favorite for the cup. But they also wouldn't be some big surprise imo

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The best thing about this is that Kane is likely cooked, and that contract is going to backfire on them big time. Karma is a bitch.

Hyman isn't far behind him

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

Prestige Worldwide

 

[Ace of Hades]

I still believe Edmonton is a Cup contender. They were unlucky to lose both those games to Vancouver, although I did enjoy it immensely.

They weren't unlucky to lose the first game. They were massively outplayed.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

I think this is silly.

They are definitely contenders if they get in and McDavid, Drai and Ekholm are all healthy.

NHL needs more rabid fanbases, not fewer.

 

[CH]

They weren't unlucky to lose the first game. They were massively outplayed.

We have to define what we mean by unlucky.

Given the way the Edmonton played in the first game against Vancouver, they were definitely going to lose and badly.

If Vancouver and Edmonton played each other an infinite number of times under the same circumstances, we could construct a set of all the Vancouver/Edmonton outcomes and their probabilities. The result on the 8-1 game was a highly unlikely probability. Edmonton was unlucky to have such a bad game, as the vast majority of their games are way better than that one.

If they played that badly, it didn't take luck to lose, but they were unlucky to play that badly.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I think this is silly.

They are definitely contenders if they get in and McDavid, Drai and Ekholm are all healthy.

NHL needs more rabid fanbases, not fewer.

I disagree. McDavid and Drai have already scored at historical paces and proven it is not enough to overcome the team flaws. And the flaws are becoming worse and worse as players age out.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

We have to define what we mean by unlucky.

Given the way the Edmonton played in the first game against Vancouver, they were definitely going to lose and badly.

If Vancouver and Edmonton played each other an infinite number of times under the same circumstances, we could construct a set of all the Vancouver/Edmonton outcomes and their probabilities. The result on the 8-1 game was a highly unlikely probability. Edmonton was unlucky to have such a bad game, as the vast majority of their games are way better than that one.

If they played that badly, it didn't take luck to lose, but they were unlucky to play that badly.

Not following you. Luck had nothing to do with them playing terribly. That’s on the players.

 

[Ace of Hades]

We have to define what we mean by unlucky.

Given the way the Edmonton played in the first game against Vancouver, they were definitely going to lose and badly.

If Vancouver and Edmonton played each other an infinite number of times under the same circumstances, we could construct a set of all the Vancouver/Edmonton outcomes and their probabilities. The result on the 8-1 game was a highly unlikely probability. Edmonton was unlucky to have such a bad game, as the vast majority of their games are way better than that one.

If they played that badly, it didn't take luck to lose, but they were unlucky to play that badly.

Luck has nothing to do with them being bad. It comes down to not wanting the puck as much as the other team and getting outworked in every battle. Putting it simply: They were simply outplayed. Yes it's very unlikely we'll get this type of effort from the Oilers in the first game of the season but this isn't something you can define as being "unlucky" nor does it fit the terminology.

 

[Shane Diesel]

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

I've considered Edmonton to simply be Toronto West for quite a while now.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

We have to define what we mean by unlucky.

Given the way the Edmonton played in the first game against Vancouver, they were definitely going to lose and badly.

If Vancouver and Edmonton played each other an infinite number of times under the same circumstances, we could construct a set of all the Vancouver/Edmonton outcomes and their probabilities. The result on the 8-1 game was a highly unlikely probability. Edmonton was unlucky to have such a bad game, as the vast majority of their games are way better than that one.

If they played that badly, it didn't take luck to lose, but they were unlucky to play that badly.

 

[geebster]

I've considered Edmonton to simply be Toronto West for quite a while now.

Difference is I would want the Oilers superstars in a game 7. The numbers they both put up in the playoffs are insane. Both in a similar predicament overall of having expensive top end talent and weaker rosters and goaltending but Toronto is probably better constructed but gets far less from their top guys when they need it, while the Oilers only have 2 guys show up but boy do they show up. It's hard for media to not overhyped the chances of a team with McDavid on it.

That said they need to commit themselves to defense properly. There just isn't effort shown in either game to take lanes, keep people out of the front of the net. Every tip in front is a guy completely open with both D fronting the shot and not blocking it. They will be a good team this year but that defensive effort should be there, especially when you are raring to get the season going.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

It's still early, but if they can tighten up defensively and not chase the game, they have as good a chance as most.

 

[Brookbank]

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

Both teams think they can win with mid goaltending. They probably could. Just not in Canada though. Too much pressure in Canada for mid goalies to win a cup

Difference is I would want the Oilers superstars in a game 7. The numbers they both put up in the playoffs are insane. Both in a similar predicament overall of having expensive top end talent and weaker rosters and goaltending but Toronto is probably better constructed but gets far less from their top guys when they need it, while the Oilers only have 2 guys show up but boy do they show up. It's hard for media to not overhyped the chances of a team with McDavid on it.

That said they need to commit themselves to defense properly. There just isn't effort shown in either game to take lanes, keep people out of the front of the net. Every tip in front is a guy completely open with both D fronting the shot and not blocking it. They will be a good team this year but that defensive effort should be there, especially when you are raring to get the season going.

Maybe McDavids style is part of the problem ? He is a one on one player. He doesn't make his teammates that much better compared to someone like Crosby

 

[Bank Shot]

Maybe McDavids style is part of the problem ? He is a one on one player. He doesn't make his teammates that much better compared to someone like Crosby

Yeah. That's weird. Usually the surface level, braindead, lazy argument everyone is trying to make is that players on Edmonton all suck and only look good BECAUSE of McDavid.

Now we see the equal and opposite braindead arguement. Which one will win out?

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Maybe McDavids style is part of the problem ? He is a one on one player. He doesn't make his teammates that much better compared to someone like Crosby

Looks like Woody sees that and is putting Draisaitl along with McDavid tonight.

 

[OG Eberle]

Fun to see Oilers haters and Chicken Littles so far down the rabbit hole that they're pulling up which mineral waters sponsor Kane vs the Oilers homers blaming blowouts on the reffing.

How about the happy medium where we say "it's been two games" and accept that they'll very likely be in the playoffs, McDrai will continue to be top NHL players, defense willcontinue to be suspect, top 6 will be more than enough to compliment McDrai, Nurse will still be overpaid by a million (but haters will say 4 million), and Campbell continues to belong on milk cartons vs cans of soup?

Edited to add the odd "s" and "will be" to appease the grammer police who apparently only had that as their contribution to the conversation

 

[daver]

We have to define what we mean by unlucky.

Given the way the Edmonton played in the first game against Vancouver, they were definitely going to lose and badly.

If Vancouver and Edmonton played each other an infinite number of times under the same circumstances, we could construct a set of all the Vancouver/Edmonton outcomes and their probabilities. The result on the 8-1 game was a highly unlikely probability. Edmonton was unlucky to have such a bad game, as the vast majority of their games are way better than that one.

If they played that badly, it didn't take luck to lose, but they were unlucky to play that badly.

Reminds me of the time I was unlucky to have crapped in my pants.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Defense still wins championships. And until the Oilers and their management realize that they're not going to win a cup with their juggernaut power play, nothing will change.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Fun to see Oilers haters and Chicken Littles so far down the rabbit hole that they're pulling up which mineral waters sponsor Kane vs the Oilers homers blamming blowouts on the reffing.

How about the happy medium where we say "it's been two game" and accept that they'll very likely be in the playoffs, McDrai will continue to be top NHL players, defense will be suspect, top 6 will be more than enough, Nurse still overpaid by a million but haters will say 4 million, and Campbell continues to belong on milk cartons vs cans of soup?

This post is a mess both logically and grammatically.

Nurse overpaid by only 1 mil?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Yeah. That's weird. Usually the surface level, braindead, lazy argument everyone is trying to make is that players on Edmonton all suck and only look good BECAUSE of McDavid.

Now we see the equal and opposite braindead arguement. Which one will win out?

Thats not really a lazy argument..Crosby plays a 200 ft game..He's an 'all situational' type player..A complete player...McDavid is not that.

Hands down,..offensively, McDavid is the best player on the planet..Edmonton has offensively gifted skill players by the bucket load, which is being squandered by their GM's inability to identify players that can play at the other end of the ice.

My .02 cents.

 

[Bank Shot]

Thats not really a lazy argument..Crosby plays a 200 ft game..He's an 'all situational' type player..A complete player...McDavid is not that.

Hands down,..offensively, McDavid is the best player on the planet..Edmonton has offensively gifted skill players by the bucket load, which is being squandered by their GM's inability to identify players that can play at the other end of the ice.

My .02 cents.

Crosby wasn't an elite two way player when he was winning Cups. He still isn't. He's improved his two way game, but he's never been close to a guy like Bergeron. The narrative has changed though.

Just like when people say Ovechkin started buying into two way play and that's why he won a Cup.

Its all bullshit narrative made up after the fact to make people feel like they understand the game I guess? Because they want a one line explanation for why something happened. Boil it down into the simplest terms possible even if it is braindead.

 

[OG Eberle]

This post is a mess both logically and grammatically.

Nurse overpaid by only 1 mil?

I guess on the mainboards, gifs do a better job as retorts to points/opinions on subjects vs actual data and facts eh?

 

[John Mandalorian]

No one did outside of Oilers fans. They hate on Leaf fans but do the same things and can't see it. Every October they are cup favorites, overrate the hell out of their players, and are as bipolar as Leaf fans are after every win or loss.

Leaf and Oilers fans are kinda like step brothers.

You wouldn’t be referring to Nurse, would you? In playoff GDTs, he’s the main reason they lose half of their playoff games. Then in the “Value of Nurse”, he’s only slightly overpaid. LOL

 

[Bender]

It all comes down to a formula :

=IF(VAN8,EDM1)AND(VAN4,EDM3)AND THEN(PHI2,VAN0)THEN

VAN>EDM
AND
PHI>EDM