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And each one of those fanbases hand wrings that a “better” GM would have brought them more Cups
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This is an important point
And each one of those fanbases hand wrings that a “better” GM would have brought them more Cups
Oh be real lol. A Bully? WTF
Don't renew it. Don't even watch. Put your money where your mouth is. Too many SuperMoral Hulkamanicas in here. Get ahead of it. The fact is, nobody will miss any of you.
Kolja
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Ok person who joined 3 days ago.
I don't think you have to be "super moral" to realize what a low point this decision is.
...and again. Joined 3 days ago. Block.
thedarkstark
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I get that you look at Stans resume and see "3 time cup winner" but if you actually look at the rosters that won, he was responsible for bringing in exactly 1 core player (Hossa). And if you look at his trade history, he lost them all. Dale Talon built those teams, Stan deserves zero credit, he lucked into a dynasty and proceeded to piss it away piece by piece.
Stan inherited: Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmerson (top 3 D the entire dynasty run), Kane, Toews, Sharp (3 of the top 6 forwards the entire run), Crawford & Neimi (the starting tenders for entire dynasty run).
Other instrumental pieces Stan inherited and proceeded to throw away for peanuts: Brian Campbell, Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, Brian Bickel, Dave Bolland, Marcus Kruger, Kris Versteeg.
I won't make any further comments as I don't want to pile on here but I just think you should all be very upset about this move because Stan is a bad GM in addition to being a bad human.
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What needs to be distinguished is that the “terrifying” moves were after the third Cup win. I would suggest that matters to a degree.
Hossa was signed by Talon too. Bowman literally didn’t make a single meaningful addition to that first cup team as GM.
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My second team is the Hawks. I don’t need really need a lecture on what he did and didn’t do.
The Hawks didn’t need more core players, they needed solid depth to win the next two Cups. This team also doesn’t need more core players. Bowman wasn’t my first choice from a hockey perspective, but I wasn’t exactly sold on the other candidates either (Botterill?? Mark Hunter? Meh)
In any case, he won’t have the autonomy that he had with the Hawks. It will be a collaborative effort with Jackson. Whether or not that leads to Cup(s) remains to be seen
harpoon
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Also, don’t spit on or punch people who are just out exercising their right to free speech.
What does that have to do with it?
I actually said at first I don't like the PR of it
But gimme a break to everybody here.
You guys got a nice job as a GM. Making $$. You find out this happens. You report it PROPERLY to your higher ups
THEY TELL YOU it is being handled
You have done your job right there
You guys wanted this guy to blackball and destroy his career b/c THE GUYS UP TOP WHO SAID THEY WERE HANDLING IT, DIDN'T.?
lol
No way in HELL anybody here would say "I would have just ran to tHe MedIa and ruined my enTIre eArniNgs"
BS
Unless you already have a shitload of $$
What a bull of crock. Maybe 1/1000 might have b/c they have no long term vision.
I didn't like the hire, but get the eff of of your high horses here. THat is not how life works for most people.
From this thread I would think Stan was the one in that trainers room
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Well I can honestly say that I wasn't thrilled with this news. With that being said JJ has done a great job so far and he has had dealings with Bowman in the past. Like it or not we need a manager that can sell players on wanting to be here and take less to win (maybe that was his specialty in Chicago? Getting guys to sacrifice $ for the betterment of the team until the last Kane and Toews contracts. No idea if this was the case but Keith for instance had one of the best contracts in the league for a long time). JJ will also still be involved while Bowman will be the one doing the daily grind stuff so even if Bowman might not be that great he shouldn't be going all Simple Jack without JJ signing off. If Kyle Beach has made peace with Bowman, who am I to keep piling on? He now knows how to handle such situations (hopefully he never has to again) and a chance like this is not something that he'll want to waste. The big boys extensions and hopefully upgrading the D are areas that Bowman can hopefully take care of. Otherwise what's the point of the hire?
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But here is a legit honest question here
I did not like the signing for PR
If you guys were in his position, did the proper thing and reported it up to the POHO and probably owner, and they told you it will be handled and thank you
How many of you, with a family and career, would then x amounts later, go against your team to "ruin" yourself?
In the media, you would actually be a Hero. It would be a good moral move.
I still don't think most people would f*** themselves career/financially wise there
I just don't. That is human nature
Even if it is the right thing to do
People are selfish individuals. It's always been that way
I think he is being ragged on too much here. Should he have put a tracing tag on Aldrich for 10 years
I did not like the signing for PR
If you guys were in his position, did the proper thing and reported it up to the POHO and probably owner, and they told you it will be handled and thank you
How many of you, with a family and career, would then x amounts later, go against your team to "ruin" yourself?
In the media, you would actually be a Hero. It would be a good moral move.
I still don't think most people would f*** themselves career/financially wise there
I just don't. That is human nature
Even if it is the right thing to do
People are selfish individuals. It's always been that way
I think he is being ragged on too much here. Should he have put a tracing tag on Aldrich for 10 years
If it was Calgary that hired him I’m sure some of the posters in this thread would be singing a different tune.
Sexual assault stuff aside, the dude has been a mediocre (and that’s being generous) GM for the past decade.
Totally unnecessary hiring IMO from both a PR and hockey standpoint.
Sexual assault stuff aside, the dude has been a mediocre (and that’s being generous) GM for the past decade.
Totally unnecessary hiring IMO from both a PR and hockey standpoint.
Waited until the night to see what others are saying, but everybody's entitled to their opinion whether I agree with them or not.
I for one just can't say I like the hiring of Bowman in any sorts of aspect. I can commend him for what he did to better himself as a person after the Beach incident. I'm not even gonna say that Stan Bowman never deserves to work in hockey again. People can get second chances. But getting to jump right back into one of the most sought after GM roles in the league with a team that has two of the best players in the world, 2 goals away from winning the SCF in G7, and then being able to lock up majority of their players for a run again next year? Questionable hire for the Oilers at a time when the fan base was feeling very good from the recent moves JJ made since the draft and free agency hit. A home run GM choice would've been Darche or Janko. Heck, I would've been at least okay with Hunter to get away from any kind of PR disaster that came immediately once Bowman got hired by this organization. Chiarelli was shit. Holland had his bad and good. I just don't see how Bowman was considered the best option available realistically when there were rumors of other potential GMs.
Lowetide worded it perfectly.
"I don’t think Bowman’s resume is close to the best available. I think the organization fractured the fan base and I do not believe it will be worth it in the end."
I'm still gonna cheer for the team and especially the players regardless as I love the Oilers, but hiring Bowman as the GM is something I personally cannot support as a fan.
I for one just can't say I like the hiring of Bowman in any sorts of aspect. I can commend him for what he did to better himself as a person after the Beach incident. I'm not even gonna say that Stan Bowman never deserves to work in hockey again. People can get second chances. But getting to jump right back into one of the most sought after GM roles in the league with a team that has two of the best players in the world, 2 goals away from winning the SCF in G7, and then being able to lock up majority of their players for a run again next year? Questionable hire for the Oilers at a time when the fan base was feeling very good from the recent moves JJ made since the draft and free agency hit. A home run GM choice would've been Darche or Janko. Heck, I would've been at least okay with Hunter to get away from any kind of PR disaster that came immediately once Bowman got hired by this organization. Chiarelli was shit. Holland had his bad and good. I just don't see how Bowman was considered the best option available realistically when there were rumors of other potential GMs.
Lowetide worded it perfectly.
"I don’t think Bowman’s resume is close to the best available. I think the organization fractured the fan base and I do not believe it will be worth it in the end."
I'm still gonna cheer for the team and especially the players regardless as I love the Oilers, but hiring Bowman as the GM is something I personally cannot support as a fan.
The notion that Bowman would have “ruined” his career by doing the right thing is baseless speculation at best.
I know I’ve stood up to my employer when I’ve seen something not right going on. I imagine lots of people on this forum have too. I’ll also say that I’ve had middle management advocate on my behalf to their bosses as well. It doesn’t make you a hero. It maybe contributes to you being a decent human being.
Whether Bowman committed a wrongdoing shouldn’t be questioned here. It’s an agreed upon fact by everyone involved, Bowman included.
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Bowman could have "ruined" his career
BUT other organizations maybe would have said we respect that, but nobody would have that fast
I am thinking from his perspective. That is what most would have done.
I think it's pure bs that somebody said they would do the opposite unless they were already set in life.
It doesn't make it right. I don't even like the guy, but I think he is being sh** on so hard
But that's his own doing coming back to the NHL too. He deserves all of the heat now. . Most people just like giving heat though. No critical thinking. Cancel Culture etc.
I disagree with the bold. I think plenty of people would have done something different.
Hard to say. If you had a mortgage, bills, etc, you would just run to the media?
I doubt it. You could
Don't worry chap we are all going to feel good within 2 weeks.
Paralyzer
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It's funny. People who say they will not support the Oilers are turning into a minority lately due to the amount of people who have actually educated themselves on the situation. Same thing happened with Evander Kane and his allegations, which as soon as people educated themselves, saw it's Kane's ex-wife who's the issue. This is why I said before, people need to come at this with a LEVEL HEADED approach. Not an inflated ego.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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A day later and still nobody has said "Wow this is a great hire!"
Mr Positive
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And of course the mains are full of people who don't want to be educated. They will not give up their precious permission to hate on something, and hating on the Oilers is an easy sell
KeithIsActuallyBad
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There's no way to spin this into being a good hire either from a PR or a managerial standpoint.
KCC
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Hockey fans already made up their mind on this. He could be the best citizen ever, help the community, do charity work, everything. It won’t matter. Plus, well, he’s not a very good GM either. He does deserve a second chance though.
McDNicks17
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I don't know if that would have happened for anyone.
Is there any guys out there that would give you that reaction?
