Post-Game Talk: Oilers die on the Hill

[Soundwave]

Too many forwards are seeing their numbers fall off. I also don't think they're working hard enough to get to the dirty areas. They basically slept through two periods last night and decided to only try in the third (something that they've done all too often to no success).

as for Adin Hill, he's just another Cam Ward. A goalie that got hot at the right time. Funny enough Adin Hill's regular season statline for his career is pretty close to Skinner's. 2.68 GAA, .909sv%. Skinner's are 2.72 GAA and .907sv%

You want to compare playoffs too?

Hill's numbers are supressed by a chunk of his career on bad teams in San Jose and Arizona.

On no planet is Skinner an equal of Adin Hill. Hill is clearly better.

Stuart Skinner's contemporaries are David Riitich, Mikko Koskinen, Alex Georgeiv ... that's the class of goalie he is.

Nothing even wrong with that, for there to be top end and mid-tier goalies, someone has to fill the roles below that, not everyone can be that good, if everyone was good then no one is good.

 

[Slats432]

This thread is absolute insanity.

You can hate Stuart Skinner.
You can want a different goalie.
You can say his season is shit.
You can dislike his mustache.

Hating on the goalie, no matter how it went in, when you lose 1-0 is batshit crazy.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You want to compare playoffs too?

Hill's numbers are supressed by a chunk of his career on bad teams in San Jose and Arizona.

On no planet is Skinner an equal of Adin Hill. Hill is clearly better.

Stuart Skinner's contemporaries are David Riitich, Mikko Koskinen, Alex Georgeiv ... that's the class of goalie he is.

Nothing even wrong with that, for there to be top end and mid-tier goalies, someone has to fill the roles below that, not everyone can be that good, if everyone was good then no one is good.

And yet Adin Hill has been decidedly average even on a good Vegas team outside the one playoff run. He wasn't even an option for them before Brossoit got injured.

 

[Soundwave]

This thread is absolute insanity.

You can hate Stuart Skinner.
You can want a different goalie.
You can say his season is shit.
You can dislike his mustache.

Hating on the goalie, no matter how it went in, when you lose 1-0 is batshit crazy.

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It does say something about a goalie when even in his "good games" he still allows a bit of a stinker of a goal that ends up being the difference in the game.

It's not like Vegas' forwards did f*** all that game either.

And yet Adin Hill has been decidedly average even on a good Vegas team outside the one playoff run. He wasn't even an option for them before Brossoit got injured.

Adin Hill is going to be Team Canada's starter (a spot Skinner was supposedly going to be the favorite for, well he's not even going to make the team), he's a Cup winning goalie who is .930+ in the playoffs in both of the last two seasons. His regular season numbers the last two years are also better than Skinner's.

If Adin Hill is "just average", then Stuart Skinner is considerably "below average" by default.

They're not equivalent in any sense.

Skinner is just another Markkanen/Koskinen/Conklin tier goalie. Those guys had stretches too where they looked alright.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

And yet Adin Hill has been decidedly average even on a good Vegas team outside the one playoff run. He wasn't even an option for them before Brossoit got injured.

And we gave away Brossoit for peanuts thanks to this impatient fan base.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It does say something about a goalie when even in his "good games" he still allows a bit of a stinker of a goal that ends up being the difference in the game.

It's not like Vegas' forwards did f*** all that game either.



Adin Hill is going to be Team Canada's starter (a spot Skinner was supposedly going to be the favorite for, well he's not even going to make the team), he's a Cup winning goalie who is .930+ in the playoffs in both of the last two seasons. His regular season numbers are also better than Skinner's.

If Adin Hill is "just average", then Stuart Skinner is considerably "below average" by default.

They're not equivalent in any sense.

Skinner is just another Markkanen/Koskinen/Conklin tier goalie. Those guys had stretches too where they looked alright.

Bouchard isn't likely to make Team Canada either. What a bum. Nobody anywhere gives a shit about this tournament.

The team has been shut out 4 times so far this season. That has zero to do with goaltending and everything to do with the offense producing at a very average rate for how much firepower we were told the team had.

 

[Canovin]

We're going to run a random AHL goaltender and a back up goalie to the cup final? Is that really the plan? What do you do with Skinner? Send him to the minors?

Stuart Skinner was a random AHL goaltender and a backup before Smith decided to retire

 

[Soundwave]

Bouchard isn't likely to make Team Canada either. What a bum. Nobody anywhere gives a shit about this tournament.

The team has been shut out 4 times so far this season. That has zero to do with goaltending and everything to do with the offense producing at a very average rate for how much firepower we were told the team had.

Bouchard shouldn't be on Team Canada. He hasn't been great this season and deserves the kick in the ass (and frankly it's better for our bargaining position with regards to his contract extension, so I'm not torn up about it).

Same goes for Stu and Hyman ... those three probably had locked in spots that they pissed away with mediocre play this year, and good.

I hope it does sting for them when the roster comes out. I hope it is a kick in the ass for all of them that they remember. I hope it hurts. Next time don't play like dog shit out of the gates of a season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Bouchard shouldn't be on Team Canada. He hasn't been great this season and deserves the kick in the ass (and frankly it's better for our bargaining position with regards to his contract extension, so I'm not torn up about it).

Same goes for Stu and Hyman ... those three probably had locked in spots that they pissed away with mediocre play, and good.

I hope it does sting for them when the roster comes out. Next time don't play like dog shit out of the gates of a season.

I don't think they care about some meaningless bootleg Olympics tournament. If I were McDavid I wouldn't even bother showing up, especially given how absolutely shady Hockey Canada has been. They deserve nothing but failure.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It does say something about a goalie when even in his "good games" he still allows a bit of a stinker of a goal that ends up being the difference in the game.

It's not like Vegas' forwards did f*** all that game either.



Adin Hill is going to be Team Canada's starter (a spot Skinner was supposedly going to be the favorite for, well he's not even going to make the team), he's a Cup winning goalie who is .930+ in the playoffs in both of the last two seasons. His regular season numbers the last two years are also better than Skinner's.

If Adin Hill is "just average", then Stuart Skinner is considerably "below average" by default.

They're not equivalent in any sense.

Skinner is just another Markkanen/Koskinen/Conklin tier goalie. Those guys had stretches too where they looked alright.

Adin Hill is 2 years older than Skinner, never played more than 35 games in a season and had a save % below .900 prior to last night

 

[Soundwave]

I don't think they care about some meaningless bootleg Olympics tournament. If I were McDavid I wouldn't even bother showing up, especially given how absolutely shady Hockey Canada has been. They deserve nothing but failure.

Oh I think they do care and deep down that stings. They all thought they were basically pencilled in to an invite to the "cool kids party" and now just a few months later that's a big fat "nope, only Connor plz".

Good.

I'm happy about it frankly. You want to play the way those three guys have this year then you don't deserve to wear the Team Canada sweater.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oh I think they do care and deep down that stings. They all thought they were basically pencilled in to an invite to the "cool kids party" and now just a few months later that's a big fat "nope, only Connor plz".

Good.

I'm happy about it frankly. You want to play the way those three guys have this year then you don't deserve to wear the Team Canada sweater.

Why on earth would they care? The fans don't care. It's a glorified All-Star game and we know how the stars feel about those games. Imagine if McDavid gets hurt playing for nothing.

 

[Soundwave]

Adin Hill is 2 years older than Skinner, never played more than 35 games in a season and had a save % below .900 prior to last night

Stuart Skinner will also never be Adin Hill. He doesn't have the talent level for that, doesn't have the reflexes.

There's simply a talent gap, simple as that.

We haven't scored once on this guy in 6 periods on a goal that was anything other than a total fluke (Kulak tip in and Hyman getting a wonky bounce).

You could put Pronger 2006 on this team for free and I still don't think Skinner would be able to come close to matching the .930+ Hill has put up in the last two playoffs. The ability to elevate your game like that is a sign of a higher end goalie, the lower end guys (like Skinner) don't have that ability.

Skinner is what he is, he's a cheap Honda Civic, Hill is more like a mid-luxury tier like a BMW or Mercedes. Sorokin and Shesterkin and guys like that are Lambos and Ferraris.

Why on earth would they care? The fans don't care. It's a glorified All-Star game and we know how the stars feel about those games. Imagine if McDavid gets hurt playing for nothing.

There's no talented Canadian hockey player who doesn't have "play for Team Canada" on their bucket list of goals, just because some fans on the internet don't think the tourney is cool enough for them because it's not the Olympics doesn't matter.

Canada Cups mattered a plenty even to Wayne and Mario and co. even if it wasn't an Olympic level event.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Stuart Skinner will also never be Adin Hill. He doesn't have the talent level for that, doesn't have the reflexes.

There's simply a talent gap, simple as that

Your opinion, and you are certainly no expert

Skinner is what he is, he's a cheap Honda Civic, Hill is more like a mid-luxury tier like a BMW or Mercedes. Sorokin and Shesterkin and guys like that are Lambos and Ferraris.

well no shit, those guys are paid a lot more for a reason and Shesterkin is getting 10+ million minimum

 

[Duke74]

Somebody tell that to Knoblauch. The guy's too focused on mainly keeping Jeff Skinner in the dog house while Connor Brown does Connor Brown things when he has a shot on net.
Oilers need a top 6 scoring winger? Let's neuter one in Skinner by playing him in a bottom 6 instead of either of the 2 best centers in the world.

And meanwhile, he's neutering a top-5 center in the NHL with Connor Brown.

 

[Soundwave]

Your opinion, and you are certainly no expert


well no shit, those guys are paid a lot more for a reason and Shesterkin is getting 10+ million minimum

Yeah and fine, it is what it is, just don't do the bullshit then afterwards a few posts later of saying "well but also Skinner is kinda as good as Adin Hill".

No he's f***ing not. A Honda Civic is not a fully loaded BMW 5-series or something like that. There's a significant difference.

I'm fine with accepting Skinner for what he is, but lets just be honest about it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Canada Cups mattered a plenty even to Wayne and Mario and co. even if it wasn't an Olympic level event.

because the Olympic participation for NHLers wasn't allowed

this is a glorified shinny tournament missing arguably the 2nd best hockey country (Russia) that loses its credibility

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

because the Olympic participation for NHLers wasn't allowed

this is a glorified shinny tournament missing arguably the 2nd best hockey country (Russia) that loses its credibility

Not to mention Draisatl is completely omitted.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Yeah and fine, it is what it is, just don't do the bullshit then afterwards a few posts later of saying "well but also Skinner is kinda as good as Adin Hill".

No he's f***ing not. A Honda Civic is not a fully loaded BMW 5-series or something like that. There's a significant difference.

I'm fine with accepting Skinner for what he is, but lets just be honest about it.

then again, don't blame goaltending when management prioritized scoring forwards (which they're not doing) over a stud goalie
it's beyond foolish

 

[Jumptheshark]

He played decent and yet was still somehow second best.

Because the team gave no support. ZERO.

because the Olympic participation for NHLers wasn't allowed

this is a glorified shinny tournament missing arguably the 2nd best hockey country (Russia) that loses its credibility

Yep. Been my bitch since it was announced.

Here in Europe there is a conspiracy theory as to why it was only Finland and the Swedes and it has to do with how Canadian hockey handled the investigation into certain allegations agsinst the players and a rather large slush fund and what they did with it. Since this tourney was announced? Finland and Sweden stopped complaining about everything.

 

[Coffey]

Skinner is just another Markkanen/Koskinen/Conklin tier goalie. Those guys had stretches too where they looked alright.

 

[Soundwave]

because the Olympic participation for NHLers wasn't allowed

this is a glorified shinny tournament missing arguably the 2nd best hockey country (Russia) that loses its credibility

Pretty sure the players participating care, McDavid went out of his way to spend several days in Colorado before training camp started here ... we know now the reason for that was because a bunch of the Team Canada guys (McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon, Marner, Makar) had apparently scheduled that time to get together in prep for the tourney.

It matters to the players, don't kid yourself. In particular to guys like McDavid, Matthews, MacK, Makar, etc. who haven't played in a real best on best situation at this level.

For sure Bouchard, Skinner, Hyman are likely disappointed to not make that team after the media had them pencilled in as locks a few months ago. That's got to be a giant kick in the ass to know that you f***ed up the start of the season that badly to lose a spot that should have been yours.

And GOOD. If they have any pride they will use that as fuel. I hope it stings, and I hope it stings bad. For Bouchard it probably knocked 500k off his extension right there alone because his agent can't use that as a bargaining chip.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The tourney is a nice little warmup for the Olympics. I think the players care.

 

[Soundwave]

then again, don't blame goaltending when management prioritized scoring forwards (which they're not doing) over a stud goalie
it's beyond foolish

Well yeah, the Oilers probably lost the 2024 Stanley Cup not last June but actually on July 13, 2022 ... the day Holland signed Jack Campbell and set into motion a domino of events that led to us having to put Skinner in net for the 2024 playoffs as a starter.

That cost us 1 Cup at least, maybe 2.

Skinner is a David Riitich tier goalie. I think we'd have the same results with Riitich here.

 

[mcdingdong]

Pretty sure the players participating care, McDavid went out of his way to spend several days in Colorado before training camp started here ... we know now the reason for that was because a bunch of the Team Canada guys (McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon, Marner, Makar) had apparently scheduled that time to get together in prep for the tourney.

It matters to the players, don't kid yourself. In particular to guys like McDavid, Matthews, MacK, Makar, etc. who haven't played in a real best on best situation at this level.

For sure Bouchard, Skinner, Hyman are likely disappointment to not make that team after the media had them pencilled in as locks a few months ago. That's got to be a giant kick in the ass to know that you f***ed up the start of the season that badly to lose a spot that should have been yours.

And GOOD. If they have any pride they will use that as fuel. I hope it stings, and I hope it stings bad. For Bouchard it probably knocked 500k off his extension right there alone because his agent can't use that as a bargaining chip.

I agree a lot of those guys care but most of them do that mini-camp, and others in other locales, every offseason.