Oilers are good at hockey again: Back in the plofs

[Rubi]

Not sure what they would trade for since they already have perennially leading scorers McDavid and Draisatl who in the two games against LV and LA combined for a total of 1 goal. If Knoblauch can't figure out how to get those two to light up the scoreboard in big games, I doubt that adding some $3 million randomly-available player is going to help much.

They need more scoring depth, particularly from the d corp, to help out in those games. They only have 7 players with 25+ pts and only one of those is a dman.
Whether they have the trade chips needed to get a player or players that would help in that area is another question. I don't believe they do.

 

[RegDunlop]

Not sure what they would trade for since they already have perennially leading scorers McDavid and Draisatl who in the two games against LV and LA combined for a total of 1 goal. If Knoblauch can't figure out how to get those two to light up the scoreboard in big games, I doubt that adding some $3 million randomly-available player is going to help much.

oouu
Vegas won one game against the Oilers. Perhaps the Oilers should somehow trade for LTIR space so they can have a couple of $3M players ready to go for the playoffs

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

oouu
Vegas won one game against the Oilers. Perhaps the Oilers should somehow trade for LTIR space so they can have a couple of $3M players ready to go for the playoffs

So you among others have enjoyed dogging the nucks and claiming stats prove we suck etc so here's a few for the oilers I found telling.

3-11 against top ten teams.
12-15 against playoff teams and haven't beat one since Jan 12th
18-3 against non- playoff teams.

In contrast Vancouver is #1 against top ten teams and #1 against playoff teams in general, despite that one oiler poster claiming we were barely 500 against playoff teams.

Like how telling is it that discrepancy? No amount of finagling the nerd stats trumps those splits.

Nor does the fact that during the 20-7 record they have only beat 7 playoff teams, two in the top 10 and during that daunting 16 game streak, 5 playoff team wins, 1 in the top 10.
This clearly paints a picture of a team that is a mirage of smoke and mirrors and that was with a schedule light on quality, back to backs with lots of days off to rest and practice.

 

[RegDunlop]

So you among others have enjoyed dogging the nucks and claiming stats prove we suck etc so here's a few for the oilers I found telling.

3-11 against top ten teams.
12-15 against playoff teams and haven't beat one since Jan 12th
18-3 against non- playoff teams.

In contrast Vancouver is #1 against top ten teams and #1 against playoff teams in general, despite that one oiler poster claiming we were barely 500 against playoff teams.

Like how telling is it that discrepancy? No amount of finagling the nerd stats trumps those splits.

Nor does the fact that during the 20-7 record they have only beat 7 playoff teams, two in the top 10 and during that daunting 16 game streak, 5 playoff team wins, 1 in the top 10.
This clearly paints a picture of a team that is a mirage of smoke and mirrors and that was with a schedule light on quality, back to backs with lots of days off to rest and practice.

Couple things
First - I've never joined the bandwagon folks with their pdo and fall to earth crap. I happen to think Van is a good team. My opinion is that they will falter in playoffs, only because of inexperience. But who cares, that's only my opinion. I've only started responding to these ridiculous takes from fans.

Second - I wasn't even talking about the Canucks with that post. It was about Vegas

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Wasn't Vegas also playing without Eichel and Theodore?

 

[Three On Zero]

Wasn't Vegas also playing without Eichel and Theodore?

Vegas played with 6 regulars out of the lineup

 

[Chet Manley]

This thread has run it's course. The main board is discussing an Oilers' loss to LV from last week? And somehow Canucks' fans talking about the Canucks.

 

[Coffey]

This thread has run it's course. The main board is discussing an Oilers' loss to LV from last week? And somehow Canucks' fans talking about the Canucks.

It’s a Venn diagram.

 

[Dust]

So you among others have enjoyed dogging the nucks and claiming stats prove we suck etc so here's a few for the oilers I found telling.

3-11 against top ten teams.
12-15 against playoff teams and haven't beat one since Jan 12th
18-3 against non- playoff teams.

In contrast Vancouver is #1 against top ten teams and #1 against playoff teams in general, despite that one oiler poster claiming we were barely 500 against playoff teams.

Like how telling is it that discrepancy? No amount of finagling the nerd stats trumps those splits.

Nor does the fact that during the 20-7 record they have only beat 7 playoff teams, two in the top 10 and during that daunting 16 game streak, 5 playoff team wins, 1 in the top 10.
This clearly paints a picture of a team that is a mirage of smoke and mirrors and that was with a schedule light on quality, back to backs with lots of days off to rest and practice.

In fairness they beat Nashville on Jan 27th who was in a playoff spot at the time, and it was only 4 games ago it just seems like an eternity with the ASG break.

 

[Ol' Jase]

In fairness they beat Nashville on Jan 27th who was in a playoff spot at the time, and it was only 4 games ago it just seems like an eternity with the ASG break.

The numbers he has posted are also wrong, so there’s that.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Couple things
First - I've never joined the bandwagon folks with their pdo and fall to earth crap. I happen to think Van is a good team. My opinion is that they will falter in playoffs, only because of inexperience. But who cares, that's only my opinion. I've only started responding to these ridiculous takes from fans.

Second - I wasn't even talking about the Canucks with that post. It was about Vegas

I wasn't referring to that post so my mistake for not being clear and in fairness I should have quoted the guy who keeps posting bs stats and just actual bs.

 

[Ol' Jase]

I wasn't referring to that post so my mistake for not being clear and in fairness I should have quoted the guy who keeps posting bs stats and just actual bs.

It works better if you actually get the numbers right.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

The numbers he has posted are also wrong, so there’s that.

What numbers are wrong? I literally counted out their wins against teams based on their spot in the standings.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

It works better if you actually get the numbers right.

Show me what numbers are wrong.
I hope your not going to say something like at the time a certain team was in a spot because only the spot they are in now is relevant.

 

[Ol' Jase]

What numbers are wrong? I literally counted out their wins against teams based on their spot in the standings.

Oilers have beat VGK, WIN, CAR, NYR and PHI this year. Top 10 teams.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

In fairness they beat Nashville on Jan 27th who was in a playoff spot at the time, and it was only 4 games ago it just seems like an eternity with the ASG break.

I was just going off the positions at that point, otherwise it becomes to convoluted.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Oilers have beat VGK, WIN, CAR, NYR and PHI this year. Top 10 teams.

My mistake. Instead of saying my numbers were wrong you could have said I made a mistake and they weren't 3-11 but 5-9 against top ten teams.
You made it sound like everything I said was wrong

 

[Ol' Jase]

My mistake. Instead of saying my numbers were wrong you could have said I made a mistake and they weren't 3-11 but 5-9 against top ten teams.
You made it sound like everything I said was wrong

The Leafs aren’t in the playoffs? Oilers beat them on Jan. 16.

Since Nov. 11, the Oilers are 28-8 and have beat top 10 teams five times. Your arbitrary “20-7” only works if you throw away random games of your choosing.

The Canucks are 6-7 this year against the teams currently in the top 10. Are you sure that’s the best record in the NHL against teams currently in the top 10? (Hint: It isn’t) They are 12-12 against teams currently in the playoffs. Are you sure that’s the best record in the NHL against teams currently in the playoffs? (Hint: It isn’t)

Should I go on?

 

[JianYang]

So you among others have enjoyed dogging the nucks and claiming stats prove we suck etc so here's a few for the oilers I found telling.

3-11 against top ten teams.
12-15 against playoff teams and haven't beat one since Jan 12th
18-3 against non- playoff teams.

In contrast Vancouver is #1 against top ten teams and #1 against playoff teams in general, despite that one oiler poster claiming we were barely 500 against playoff teams.

Like how telling is it that discrepancy? No amount of finagling the nerd stats trumps those splits.

Nor does the fact that during the 20-7 record they have only beat 7 playoff teams, two in the top 10 and during that daunting 16 game streak, 5 playoff team wins, 1 in the top 10.
This clearly paints a picture of a team that is a mirage of smoke and mirrors and that was with a schedule light on quality, back to backs with lots of days off to rest and practice.

I heard about that win loss disparity on the radio while I was driving to work last week although I think I heard it was something like 4-10 (splitting hairs, I know).

The record against top 10 teams was pretty surprising to me. You'd think that would be better by default considering the winning streak just by itself.

At any rate. I think the oilers are more or less back to where you expect them to be for regular season, anyways.

I've always had serious doubts about them being more than a mid round team in the playoffs though. I was tempted to count them out after that 3-11 start or whatever it was but I just couldn't seeing them missing barring a serious McDavid injury.

 

[Bank Shot]

At any rate. I think the oilers are more or less back to where you expect them to be for regular season, anyways.

I've always had serious doubts about them being more than a mid round team in the playoffs though. I was tempted to count them out after that 3-11 start or whatever it was but I just couldn't seeing them missing barring a serious McDavid injury.

Seems like they are still underperforming their underlying stats and I expect them to continue to climb in the standings.

NHLEDGE player and puck tracking has the Oilers 1st in the league in shots from around the blue paint. 493 high danger shots. 30 high danger shots ahead of the third place team, and they have multiple games in hand on everyone.
3rd in the league in most time spent in the offensive zone.
3rd in the league spending the least time in the defensive zone.
6th in goal differential.
6th in goals per game.
9th in goals against per game.
4th on the PP
8th on the PK
3rd in shots per game
4th in shots against per game
7th in face off %
They are also top 5 in all the "nerd" stats that track possession. That aligns pretty well with the NHL EDGE stats that track the puck and player locations at all times.

For a mid team, they are performing near the top of the league in basically every category that is important to winning hockey games over a 50 game sample size.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I heard about that win loss disparity on the radio while I was driving to work last week although I think I heard it was something like 4-10 (splitting hairs, I know).

The record against top 10 teams was pretty surprising to me. You'd think that would be better by default considering the winning streak just by itself.

At any rate. I think the oilers are more or less back to where you expect them to be for regular season, anyways.

I've always had serious doubts about them being more than a mid round team in the playoffs though. I was tempted to count them out after that 3-11 start or whatever it was but I just couldn't seeing them missing barring a serious McDavid injury.

Yeah I had them as a solid playoff team but didn’t buy into all of the off season hype about them being the top contender with their D and goalie issues and their lack of forward depth. Those issues have really shown up when they play the top 10 teams.
That said, having two of the best players on the planet is a huge plus.
Overall they are about where I expected them to be at this point.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Yeah I had them as a solid playoff team but didn’t buy into all of the off season hype about them being a top contender with their D and goalie issues and their lack of forward depth. Those issues have really shown up when they play the top 10 teams.
That said, having two of the best players on the planet is a huge plus.
Overall they are about where I expected them to be at this point.

They have basically had two different season splits, but they certainly aren’t the best team in the league.

They should finish somewhere around 8-10 overall and likely third in the Pacific. Then that divisional playoff is going to be a bloodbath.

 

[Bank Shot]

Yeah I had them as a solid playoff team but didn’t buy into all of the off season hype about them being the top contender with their D and goalie issues and their lack of forward depth. Those issues have really shown up when they play the top 10 teams.
That said, having two of the best players on the planet is a huge plus.
Overall they are about where I expected them to be at this point.

The Oilers are certainly lacking in having half of their bottom six forwards scoring on every 5th shot.

And we all know that is the key to sustainable success.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

They have basically had two different season splits, but they certainly aren’t the best team in the league.

They should finish somewhere around 8-10 overall and likely third in the Pacific. Then that divisional playoff is going to be a bloodbath.

Yeah normally I wouldn’t care about finishing first in the Pacific but a healthy Vegas is scary. Avoiding them in round 1 would be huge. Not that LA is an easy opponent either, just prefer to miss Vegas.

The Oilers are certainly lacking in having half of their bottom six forwards scoring on every 5th shot.

And we all know that is the key to sustainable success.

Agreed. Having one of the best third lines in the league is a big advantage. Garland at 7.6% shooting percentage and Blueger at 9.3% don’t see to be scoring on one out of every 5 shots but Joshua is 17.9%. The overall shooting percentage is solid but not spectacular.
Nice try though.

 

[mcdingdong]

My mistake. Instead of saying my numbers were wrong you could have said I made a mistake and they weren't 3-11 but 5-9 against top ten teams.
You made it sound like everything I said was wrong

"A" mistake? Everything you typed was littered with mistakes. Forgive some posters for not taking anything you say at face value, including your dismissal of any advanced stats as having no bearing on the strength of a team. womp womp