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Rubi said:
If someone is using the Oilers recent playoff record as proof that they are the best Cdn team they are setting the bar pretty low. The same can be said for Vancouver or Winnipeg. But, if that's the standard you want to use, then the Oilers are the best team... but I really don't think its something Dotter should go around bragging about.... its like bragging about your D+ grade.
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The Oilers just made the conference finals 2 years ago and the semi-finals last year. Lol

How is that a "D+ grade" and "low bar"?
 
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Dotter said:
The Oilers just made the conference finals 2 years ago and the semi-finals last year. Lol

How is that a "D+ grade" and "low bar"?
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2018 - missed playoffs
2019 - missed playoffs
2020 - won 0 rounds
2021 - won 0 rounds
2022 - won 2 rounds and then got swept 0-4 in the 3rd round
2023 - won 1 round

That in my opinion is a low bar of success but if you disagree you also are entitled to an opinion.
 
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Rubi said:
That in my opinion is a low bar of success but if you disagree you also are entitled to an opinion.
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Glad to see being a Calgary fan hasn't yet reduced you to looking for the small victories like finding respect in handshake lines.
 
Rubi said:
2018 - missed playoffs
2019 - missed playoffs
2020 - won 0 rounds
2021 - won 0 rounds
2022 - won 2 rounds and then got swept 0-4 in the 3rd round
2023 - won 1 round

That in my opinion is a low bar of success but if you disagree you also are entitled to an opinion.
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You forgot to mention;
2022: Defeated by Colorado who went on to win the cup
2023: Defeated by the Knights who went on to win the cup

But yeah, a team that is getting progressively better as their superstar core begin to hit their prime years.

Now compare all the other Canadian teams recent playoff record...
 
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Rubi said:
As I said.. the bar is low.
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The guy's original point was that the oilers were the best Canadian team, then you disagreed saying playoffs are completely different, to which he showed the oilers had the best playoff record among Canadian teams as of late. Yeah maybe the bar is low but he got you to agree to what he originally said after you tried correcting him.

As an oilers fan, I don't actually think we are the best Canadian team. I think the Jets hold that spot, then you have the Leafs, oilers, and Canucks tied as the next best team (some ahead of others depending on the day), followed by the Flames who I think are underrated. I could easily see the flames upsetting the Canucks if they can finish in a WC spot, but all of those teams will be fun to watch come playoffs.
 
Dotter said:
You forgot to mention;
2022: Defeated by Colorado who went on to win the cup
2023: Defeated by the Knights who went on to win the cup

But yeah, a team that is getting progressively better as their superstar core begin to hit their prime years.

Now compare all the other Canadian teams recent playoff record...
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Knights and Avs beat 8 teams in total in those runs. Do those other teams get the same respect in the handshake lines that the Oilers got? The only thing that matters is what round you get kicked out from, not the team you faced.
 
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Knights and Avs beat 8 teams in total in those runs. Do those other teams get the same respect in the handshake lines that the Oilers got? The only thing that matters is what round you get kicked out from, not the team you faced.
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I don't know. Me and the guy I was responding to (@Rubi ) are not in the handshake line. We are sitting on the couch watching teams shake hands. He thinks the conference finals is a "low bar", I think the Oilers playoff achievements as a whole is worth a tip of the hat. And now they've become a recognizable team you take serious in the postseason.

He never answered the question, but if the conference finals is such a low bar, then why couldn't any other Canadian team achieve it the past 9 years?
 
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Dotter said:
I don't know. Me and the guy I was responding to (@Rubi ) are not in the handshake line. We are sitting on the couch watching teams shake hands. He thinks the conference finals is a "low bar", I think the Oilers playoff achievements as a whole is worth a tip of the hat. And now they've become a proven team you take serious in the postseason.

He never answered the question, but if the conference finals is such a low bar, then why couldn't any other Canadian team achieve it the past 9 years?
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Montreal got to the finals.
 
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Rubi said:
If someone is using the Oilers recent playoff record as proof that they are the best Cdn team they are setting the bar pretty low. The same can be said for Vancouver or Winnipeg. But, if that's the standard you want to use, then the Oilers are the best team... but I really don't think its something Dotter should go around bragging about.... its like bragging about your D+ grade.
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Again, I don't care about the argument the two of you are having. It's more your discourse which sucks.

- You argue how the Oilers win streak wasn't impressive by a misinformed tweet.
- You get called out on the info in that tweet.
- You move the goal posts to how the Oilers have an easy schedule.
- You get called out showing where they were in the league standings, the historical significance of their last 30 games, and the opponents records they faced at that time vs now.
- You move the goal posts to how the playoff records mean more than the regular season cause "they're different beasts" in the same breathe as saying Canucks and Jets fans would agree
- Get called out again saying that the Oilers have a better playoff record the past few seasons than either team
- You move the goal posts again and strawman people into thinking your taking the high road by not dignifying anyone with a response

Notice a pattern yet?

The whole idea of a "discussion" is presenting information back and forth with people who may not share the same view point as you to hopefully shape some form of understanding, or perhaps enlighten one or both parties. Everytime you presented an argument, someone provided pretty strong evidence that your argument was invalid at best, to which instead of adjusting your viewpoint or even acknowledging that "huh... never knew that. thanks for sharing with me", you just moved the goal posts and continued around here with some weird moral superiority, doubling down over and over.

When presented new information that counters ones beliefs, being able to acknowledge and reshape ones beliefs in light of that is what shows someone who actually wants to learn/have a discussion. Doubling down and never admitting wrong is someone who wants to either troll or has no interest in changing.

Best part of all this is, only you get to dictate which one you choose to be known as going forward.
 
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Rubi said:
2018 - missed playoffs
2019 - missed playoffs
2020 - won 0 rounds
2021 - won 0 rounds
2022 - won 2 rounds and then got swept 0-4 in the 3rd round
2023 - won 1 round

That in my opinion is a low bar of success but if you disagree you also are entitled to an opinion.
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I've posted it several times now... But if you use the last three seasons.. the oilers are top 6 in playoff wins on the NHL. AVS, knights, bolts and I can't remember the other 2.

Also... Most franchises, using your stats, haven't made the playoffs 4 consecutive years.
 
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Rubi said:
2018 - missed playoffs
2019 - missed playoffs
2020 - won 0 rounds
2021 - won 0 rounds
2022 - won 2 rounds and then got swept 0-4 in the 3rd round
2023 - won 1 round

That in my opinion is a low bar of success but if you disagree you also are entitled to an opinion.
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You know you are grasping at straws when your data needs to go back to a time when only 4 or 5 current players were on the roster....
 
I've been asleep for so long, but then Rubi said "on any give day any team can beat any other team... But on average bad teams will more often than not lose to good teams" and my eyes were immediately opened. A marvelous nugget of wisdom that's made everything so clear.
 
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Since bullshit stats bug me. LIke who goes back to 2018 to show playoff dominance????.. I seriously doubt that 10 players are still on their team from 2018... or head coaches or GMS.lol

Last 3 years, as I said, Oilers are 6th and this is the company they are keeping. So if you are saying we suck in playoffs you better be an Avs fan (Cup), Panthers, Knights (Cup) or Canes fan. This is our grouping.
 
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Are we good at hockey again?lol

3 games since all star break

We lost third periods twice
We allowed 3 goals twice
We lost twice

LV was a good game. We were poor against Ducks. We got killed last night.

Hope this sparks a trade or two because I swear I saw VD on the first pair for one of those games.lol
 
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Czechboy said:
Hope this sparks a trade
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Not sure what they would trade for since they already have perennially leading scorers McDavid and Draisatl who in the two games against LV and LA combined for a total of 1 goal. If Knoblauch can't figure out how to get those two to light up the scoreboard in big games, I doubt that adding some $3 million randomly-available player is going to help much.
 
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