Speculation: Offseason Thread Part IV - Let's Make A Deal

[Inferno]

Why are you counting in absolute numbers, unless the point you're trying to make is that MDZ doesn't take a lot of attempts but when he does he misses the net.

[table="head;title=list"]Player | Shots Missed | Shots On Goal | Attempts | Attempts on Net | Goals | Attempts in Net
Derick Brassard | 7 | 25 | 32 | 78 % | 5 | 16 %
Derek Stepan | 42 | 108 | 150 | 72 % | 18 | 12 %
Arron Asham | 3 | 14 | 17 | 82 % | 2 | 12 %
Rick Nash | 43 | 176 | 219 | 80 % | 21 | 10 %
Ryane Clowe | 7 | 22 | 29 | 76 % | 3 | 10 %
Ryan Callahan | 57 | 144 | 201 | 72 % | 16 | 8 %
Taylor Pyatt | 24 | 56 | 80 | 70 % | 6 | 8 %
Mats Zuccarello | 11 | 27 | 38 | 71 % | 3 | 8 %
Marian Gaborik | 24 | 113 | 137 | 82 % | 9 | 7 %
Brad Richards | 44 | 110 | 154 | 71 % | 11 | 7 %
Chris Kreider | 9 | 19 | 28 | 68 % | 2 | 7 %
Carl Hagelin | 33 | 132 | 165 | 80 % | 10 | 6 %
Marc Staal | 20 | 20 | 40 | 50 % | 2 | 5 %
John Moore | 5 | 15 | 20 | 75 % | 1 | 5 %
Anton Stralman | 24 | 66 | 90 | 73 % | 4 | 4 %
Ryan McDonagh | 34 | 83 | 117 | 71 % | 4 | 3 %
J.T. Miller | 20 | 43 | 63 | 68 % | 2 | 3 %
Michael Del Zotto | 41 | 81 | 122 | 66 % | 3 | 2 %
Dan Girardi | 46 | 81 | 127 | 64 % | 2 | 2 %
Brian Boyle | 29 | 56 | 85 | 66 % | 2 | 2 %
Steve Eminger | 7 | 22 | 29 | 76 % | 0 | 0 %
Darroll Powe | 14 | 18 | 32 | 56 % | 0 | 0 %
Matt Gilroy | 4 | 14 | 18 | 78 % | 0 | 0 %
Jeff Halpern | 6 | 13 | 19 | 68 % | 0 | 0 %
Roman Hamrlik | 3 | 5 | 8 | 63 % | 0 | 0 %
Benn Ferriero | 4 | 4 | 8 | 50 % | 0 | 0 %
Kris Newbury | 2 | 4 | 6 | 67 % | 0 | 0 %
Micheal Haley | 0 | 4 | 4 | 100 % | 0 | 0 %
Mike Rupp | 2 | 2 | 4 | 50 % | 0 | 0 %
Brandon Mashinter | 0 | 2 | 2 | 100 % | 0 | 0 %
[/TABLE]

compare his numbers to MCD.

pretty damn close.

and yet, MCD has a ton of space to grow and improve, MDZ is a "del zaster"

MDZ is younger than MCD.

unbelievable.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

compare his numbers to MCD.

pretty damn close.

and yet, MCD has a ton of space to grow and improve, MDZ is a "del zaster"

MDZ is younger than MCD.

unbelievable.

I dont know why people think Del Zotto has "peaked" already, but they are entitled to their own opinion.

 

[MadHookUp]

compare his numbers to MCD.

pretty damn close.

and yet, MCD has a ton of space to grow and improve, MDZ is a "del zaster"

MDZ is younger than MCD.

unbelievable.

You also have to keep in mind that DZ is getting a lot of these shots from the powerplay, while McD is doing it 5 on 5.

 

[OverTheCap]

Don't think we should trade DZ yet, although I do understand why some do.

One of my biggest concerns with Del Zotto is that he doesn't always learn from his mistakes, and it takes him a long time to adapt. As mentioned previously in the thread, he still tries to pick corners - and I remember him saying something in the past about how he needs to shoot low, yet he still goes for the perfect shot.

Maybe AV will help him, maybe not. At this point, it's up to Del Zotto to adjust and work on doing what he needs to do reach his potential. Let's see how he does this year and then the Rangers can decide what to do with him when he becomes an RFA next summer.

 

[Inferno]

You also have to keep in mind that DZ is getting a lot of these shots from the powerplay, while McD is doing it 5 on 5.

fair assessment.

 

[Kershaw]

What in the blue hell are you talking about with "skills the other dmen on the team could only dream about"?!?!? Moore and McDonagh are both better puck handlers and skaters are arguably better passers. Moore also has a better shot.

I entirely disagree. Like I said, MDZ has been a natural point producer at every level he's played in. He has a knack for creating offense. There is a reason he significantly outproduces the other two for the most part at the NHL level. He simply has more offensive hockey IQ than the others.

Staal has had 2 DIFFERENT injuries, 1 of them being a FREAK ACCIDENT. Skinner has had 2 concussions an injury which has proven to be chronic in 99.9% of players who have had more than 1.

I agree that it's a freak accident, but so was Pronger talking a high stick from Grabovski and Berard nearly losing his eye from Hossa. The fact that Staal came out and said 'my right eye will never be 100%' is concerning. And like I said, he's missed significantly more time with injuries, so his injuries are clearly more severe.

Your negativity regarding out players is matched only by Machinehead, but his negativity is a different kind and he at least knows what he's talking about. A lot of things you say are so outlandish and off the wall that others question your fandom and knowledge of this team and rightfully so.

Yeah, like I said Hagelin's one of the best contracts in the league.

Or MZA is a very underrated player.

Or McDonagh is close to a franchise talent.

Or Stepan's a Selke caliber player.

Or perhaps that Dan Girardi and Michael Del Zotto don't suck.

Or how trading Thomas for Kristo was an excellent move.

Of course, all of this will get seemingly ignored, as usual and propaganda across the boards will be pumped throughout.

Del Zotto does not have a single offensive ability that is not matched or bettered by McDonagh. The only difference is mentality.

And that's a huge difference. A lot of players over the years had the talent to be offensive dmen (Wesley, Hedican), but it didn't translate on the ice.

McDonagh has never been a point producer at any level he's been in.

 

[RangerBoy]

Many teams have shut it down for the summer. Boston and Chicago. Both of them will look to fill their holes with young players. Many teams have their own players to re-sign. Rangers and Leafs. Many teams are looking to shed money before making another move. If you look at Capgeek,more than 2/3 of the league is at or near the upper limit or have enough to keep their own players or have maxed out our budgets. The cap is set at $64.3M. Its expected to increase to $70M. Or more. Free agent market stunk. The remaining free agents want too much money or they just flat out stink and won't play another NHL game in their careers. Training camps start in exactly two months. September 15-16. Not much happening.

 

[RangerBoy]

DZ will need to become more comfortable playing the right side. Other players have made the adjustment. Maybe DZ will become more consistent and realize his potential playing for a new coaching staff. Samuelsson was a defenseman. Hopefully Vigneault and Arniel can bring some new ideas with the PP. AV likes the righty shots on the PP. He was asked about that during a media scrum after his press conference. AV said even just one righty shot on the PP makes a difference. In VAN,they had all lefties. Stepan and Callahan are righties. Kristo is a righty but there too many players on the roster. Need net presence too.

 

[Thirty One]

DZ will need to become more comfortable playing the right side. Other players have made the adjustment. Maybe DZ will become more consistent and realize his potential playing for a new coaching staff. Samuelsson was a defenseman. Hopefully Vigneault and Arniel can bring some new ideas with the PP. AV likes the righty shots on the PP. He was asked about that during a media scrum after his press conference. AV said even just one righty shot on the PP makes a difference. In VAN,they had all lefties. Stepan and Callahan are righties. Kristo is a righty but there too many players on the roster. Need net presence too.

DZ on the right was Torts' pet project. I hope it's discontinued. Staal played a lot of RD in juniors. And he now has imperfect vision in his right eye. He should move over.

 

[The Gloaming]

DZ on the right was Torts' pet project. I hope it's discontinued. Staal played a lot of RD in juniors. And he now has imperfect vision in his right eye. He should move over.

I'd be open to that idea. + an McD-Staal pairing could be pretty beastly.

Except that the second pairing would be the DZ-Girardi disaster that we saw, so maybe not.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This season will come down to whether or not Richards finds his game again, If he does, this team will be alot better than last year's team when Richards was awful. Kreider is also a big guy to take a next step

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'd be open to that idea. + an McD-Staal pairing could be pretty beastly.

Except that the second pairing would be the DZ-Girardi disaster that we saw, so maybe not.

Mcdonagh-Staal
Moore-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman (they looked good together)
Falk.

 

[darko]

McDonagh - Girardi
MDZ - Staal
Moore - Stralman


If Staalsy was to move to the right side.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

McDonagh - Girardi
MDZ - Staal
Moore - Stralman


If Staalsy was to move to the right side.

could do this as well.. Staal would be more than an adequate partner for Del Zotto's mishaps

 

[The Gloaming]

Mcdonagh-Staal
Moore-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman (they looked good together)
Falk.

Yeah, I'd try that. That first pairing could be a real beauty. And it keeps DZ and Girardi far away from eachother.

Also, regarding the table that Crease posted, McD is putting up those better shooting numbers against harder competition than Del Zotto, and primarily at ES, not PP like DZ.

 

[Matt4776]

I'd probably try

McDonagh-Moore
Staal-Girardi
DZ-Stralman

Eventually:

McDonagh-Moore
Staal-Girardi
DZ-McIlrath

 

[cd211]

Dz played timid or scared with torts as coach.. Let AV get in there and see how things go before we ship him out of town..

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Has Moore ever played RD?

 

[broadwayblue]

This season will come down to whether or not Richards finds his game again, If he does, this team will be alot better than last year's team when Richards was awful. Kreider is also a big guy to take a next step

Richards was awful, but he was nearly on pace for the same number of points he had the year before. So what do we expect from Brad this year? Seems like 20G/40A or somewhere in the neighborhood of 55-60 points is all we should hope for.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Richards was awful, but he was nearly on pace for the same number of points he had the year before. So what do we expect from Brad this year? Seems like 20G/40A or somewhere in the neighborhood of 55-60 points is all we should hope for.

yeah but like 5 of those goals were luck, including all 3 of the hat trick in the same game. He simply needs to be better.. 60+ points and I think he will do it.

 

[Hire Sather]

I hate how everyone believe we have "too many players"

Isnt that what depth is

last year we were forced to play clowns like Mashinter or even Bickel on 4th line

 

[broadwayblue]

yeah but like 5 of those goals were luck, including all 3 of the hat trick in the same game. He simply needs to be better.. 60+ points and I think he will do it.

True, that could very well have been the worst hat trick in the history of the NHL.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I hate how everyone believe we have "too many players"

Isnt that what depth is

last year we were forced to play clowns like Mashinter or even Bickel on 4th line

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
Zucc-Brassard-Pouilot
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

not the greatest team, but definitely lines that can score on any given night, and if Richards rebounds a very good team. Then we have guys like Miller (who played 26 games last year), and Kristo who can play in case of injury.

 

[Thumpz]

Has Moore ever played RD?

He did in Columbus.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

He did in Columbus.

Then, there's our 3rd RHD.

Mcdonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Moore
Falk