Speculation: Offseason Thread Part IV - Let's Make A Deal

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"on pace" is used alot... He's scored 51 points since he's been in the NHL.. That does not make him a legit 50 point player until he does it more than once.. If you want to call him a 45+ point player fine, but 45 points is worth 5.5M cap hit? If that is the case, why are people whining about Richards making 6.6M (Cap hit), when he was "on pace" for a 60 point season despite being horrible? Not to mention people think he was "horrible for the money" his first season when he had almost 70 points.

Because Richards isn't a dynamic player. He doesn't pull electrifying moves that take you out of your seat. He's naturally been a very productive player who is also just adept at pulling in points on the PP - it's all very natural to him. He's the kind of player who could have a 4 point night and you had barely noticed the little things he did to get those points.
 
Was just thinking... What would this team look like if we had avoided Pyatt, and Asham and chose to keep Prust and Mitchell while still doing the Nash trade and the Gaborik trade?

Something like

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Callahan
Boyle Richards Zuccarello
Prust Mitchell Dorsett

I think the bottom six is a little better that way as long as Johnny Malkin isn't always on the PP!
 
Was just thinking... What would this team look like if we had avoided Pyatt, and Asham and chose to keep Prust and Mitchell while still doing the Nash trade and the Gaborik trade?

Something like

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Callahan
Boyle Richards Zuccarello
Prust Mitchell Dorsett

I think the bottom six is a little better that way as long as Johnny Malkin isn't always on the PP!
A little better and a lot more expensive.
 
Nice number for Stepan's agent to negotiate with. Gagner is a lesser player than Stepan.

So now we're comparing apples to oranges? Gagner has been in the league way longer than Stepan so Gagner's new contract is hardly a negotiating tool for Stepan's rep!
 
So now we're comparing apples to oranges? Gagner has been in the league way longer than Stepan so Gagner's new contract is hardly a negotiating tool for Stepan's rep!

If the Rangers are planning on buying out UFA years of Stepan's contract, then it's not apples and oranges at all. Not to mention that Stepan is already a much better player and will likely want more salary than Gagner in his UFA years.
 
If the Rangers are planning on buying out UFA years of Stepan's contract, then it's not apples and oranges at all. Not to mention that Stepan is already a much better player and will likely want more salary than Gagner in his UFA years.
Still 4 RFA years to balance it out, though. One of those being non-arbitration eligible.
 
Not really. Just what the market is like nowadays. The caps gone up like 75% since it was introduced. Salaries likewise have gone up also. Thus why if we can get Zucc for 1.5 or less it's pretty much a steal.
 
Little got overpaid by maybe 500k. He's a solid top 6 forward. That's his "ok, I'll stay in Winnipeg" tax.

Gagner must have a good agent. He got a million more a year than he's worth. I don't see him comparable to Stepan at all. Two different situations. Stepan will get his 2-3 year bridge for less than Gagner. Give him his money in 2015 or 2016 after the team starts to take shape after what should be a busy summer of 2014.
 
"on pace" is used alot... He's scored 51 points since he's been in the NHL.. That does not make him a legit 50 point player until he does it more than once.. If you want to call him a 45+ point player fine, but 45 points is worth 5.5M cap hit? If that is the case, why are people whining about Richards making 6.6M (Cap hit), when he was "on pace" for a 60 point season despite being horrible? Not to mention people think he was "horrible for the money" his first season when he had almost 70 points.

Let's phrase it another way then, since you don't like the term on pace. He's scored 48.6 points per 82 games over the last 5 seasons, including a down year in his sophomore full year. In that time he's missed a total of 20 games spread over those 5 seasons. In the last three years, he's scored 51.2 points per 82 games. He's missed 14 games in that span. That he's missed 5-10 games in those seasons, plus the lockout, is the ONLY reason why he hasn't hit 50. If he had missed significant time in those seasons, we could make a sample size argument. As it is, we can't. He scores at a rate of a good 2nd line player. Good 2nd line players are worth in the $5m neighborhood during their UFA years, possibly even $6m if they're great 2nd liners.

Richards is just an awful, awful comparison. He had much higher expectations. Compared to Little's 50 per 82 type of numbers, in the 5 seasons leading up to the deal he signed with the Rangers, he scored 78.4 points per 82 games. Being just under a point per game player warrants a higher cap hit, even if that cap hit is lowered by backdiving. To stick to the same standards as the Little numbers, in the 3 years leading up to his deal with the Rangers, he scored at a rate of 85 points per 82 games. In his two years with the Rangers, he's scored at a 64 point per 82 game rate. That's not what people were expecting when he arrived, thus the people upset with his return on investment. But the structure of Richards contract makes it basically non-comparable. The guy is being paid as a first line player and everyone knows it. He hasn't produced as one. People are upset.
 
Andrew Gross spoke to Portzline about the players the Rangers traded to Columbus. Torts would take velled shots at management for losing depth from the trade. He was board with the trade and later called the trade a "lateral" move. From: @Aportzline
Sent: Jul 23, 2013 9:15a

Dispatch: One year later, #CBJ would make "Rick Nash trade" with #NYR all over again http://t.co/ePWY7cwA7X

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On Twitter: http://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/359663182886879232
 
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