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Offseason Roster Moves, Rumors, and Discussion
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I certainly didn't mean to imply that. He's played the games. But he isn't at NHL caliber yet. To me earning it is meeting that benchmark.
And I'm not one to think that two season in the AHL should suffice, many of the top D in the leauge took 3 or 4 years before making the jump.
I have to offer a new logic for the CBJ pro staff to adopt. How about we only go after players who consistently put up career numbers on us. This tactic is called if you can't beat them then join you. This should result in lower goals against until a newer player fills that void and then we should go after that player. Thoughts????
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yet, sometimes you get what you pay for when its a bargain.
To use a football comparison, when the Bengals go bargain free agent shopping for tight ends sometimes you end up with Hayden Hurst and other times you end up with Irv Smith.
- those players signed with teams that are pushing hard to make the playoffs over the next few years. significantly different value props even if the jackets could have offered similar money
- RHD isn't as big of a position of need as center is imo
- the jackets signed similar deals for RHD in each of the last two offseasons (gudbranson + severson) and everyone still complains about those! why would it make sense to add a third contract like that to that position group?
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To counterpoint #3. I've yet to see a free agent deal signed here that some backseat GM hasn't b*tched about in one way or another
three common takes I've seen floating around here for the last few weeks:
he's only nominally a 'shutdown' guy and he's 1000% washed but that sure feels like the natural (extremely bad) conclusion to this saga
- jackets need to add a veteran shutdown defenseman
- jackets should trade laine for a defenseman
- jackets would be taking money back in any laine deal
- laine has little to no trade value
he's only nominally a 'shutdown' guy and he's 1000% washed but that sure feels like the natural (extremely bad) conclusion to this saga
CBJWerenski8
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I’d much rather hang onto Laine than do that deal. There is no upside to Vlasic anymore
I am in the other camp (could the relationship be repaired) - Craig Button's quote about Laine and defending him about being an elite scorer and now just sucks is the right take. He said the same as well as JG this has me thinking more. Craig Button criticized the CBJ front office over a year ago saying the roster construction was a mess.
We know JG and Laine are not really play drivers but the CBJ put them in position to create their own scoring. Thus making them play outside of their games. Adding Monahan, while adding a center clearly has to be giving someone to JG to get him comfortable again. I know their are other items veteran leadership, etc.
I wonder if DW finally gets to talk to Laine if things possibly change? I think people are selling short on Laine and I am not a Laine banner carrying fan.
this is also what i've been advocating for – put him in a position to re-establish some value and then trade him at the deadline – but i get the sense that the FO just wants to get 'er done and turn the page.
Johnson plays bad with Sillinger.
Gaudreau (31) - Monahan (30) - Chinakhov (23)
Sillinger (21) - Voronkov (24) - Laine (26)
Johnson (22) - Fantilli (20) - Marchenko (24)
Danforth (31) - Jenner (31) - Olivier (27)
three first lines
Only three players younger than 23, 3 than 25, 2 than 30 and 4 - 30 and older
Viqsi
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I'm willing to grant an exception on the basis of Old Guy Senility and out of recognition for your service, but if it spreads we're gonna have words.
if laine's still here:
gaudreau - monahan - johnson
jenner - fantilli - laine
chiankhov - voronkov - marchenko
kuraly - sillinger - danforth
without laine
gaudreau - monahan - marchenko
jenner - fantilli - johnson
voronkov - sillinger - chinakhov
malatesta - kuraly - danforth
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
There was a time, long ago, when such a proposal would have thrilled me to death and made me the happiest girl in Jackets fandom. But that was many years ago, and now all it does is hurt me. Why do you say things that hurt me?
again: vlasic is washed.I'm not sure a chair isn't more useful than a Vlasic.
my point is that if laine has negative trade value and the jackets are looking for a 'hockey trade' and they need a 'defensive defenseman' and they will be taking money back, the natural endpoint of that is a marc-edouard vlasic type individual.
i'd rather keep laine or move him for a forward.
Gaudreau (31) - Monahan (30) - Chinakhov (23)
Jenner (31) - Fantilli (20) - Laine (26)
Johnson (21) - Voronkov (24) - Marchenko (24)
Danforth (31) - Sillinger (21) - Olivier (27)
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
My counterpoint would be that the "negative trade value" premise is faulty.
New coaching and new bodies, who played well with who last season is irrelevant. A new coach won't care what kids played well with who in the past.
I think the only guarantee moving forward is that Monahan will get stuck on the Gaudreaus hip until they prove they don't have any chemistry anymore.
Laine has negative trade value only because of his NHLPA program. In that case I do not see any reason to trade him in the summer but only in the season if he does not change his opinion.
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