Offseason Roster Moves, Rumors, and Discussion

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Why Don Waddell chose the Columbus Blue Jackets

Waddell discussed why he chose Columbus, Pascal Vincent, what he’s prioritizing, creating a new culture in Columbus, having Rick Nash...

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[Double-Shift Lasse]

I want Bean to gum up the works for those guys. But he’s not worth 2.8. So I guess I want someone else to gum up the works?

Vegas isn’t compelled to deal him but I’d be seeing what I could do to get Zach Whitecloud.

 

[VT]

That wouldn't look half bad, but how are we getting Luostarinen? He's under contract for next couple of years

Trade.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Yeah, I’ve been thinking this for a while now. It seems very unlikely that Bean will be qualified unless 1) a one year deal is signed 2) we are well under the cap after all of the moves this summer and 3) there is a clear emphasis on slow development of Jiricek, Mateychuk, etc. in Cleveland next year. It’s just hard to justify the almost $3M contract he would have to sign. If anything, he should be replaced by a more defense-oriented 3rd pair veteran like (but not specifically) Ian Cole. I’d put the chances of qualifying Bean under 20%.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[CBJx614]

NVM it's all BS.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

CBJ gets: martin necas (budding star)

CAR gets: mark recchi (literal hall of famer)

 

[ginner classic]

I want Bean to gum up the works for those guys. But he’s not worth 2.8. So I guess I want someone else to gum up the works?

Vegas isn’t compelled to deal him but I’d be seeing what I could do to get Zach Whitecloud.

Totally agree. Whitecloud really stands out as both a player thar Vegas might want to trade to recover cap space, and cheap enough and solid enough to fill a need on a number of teams. Buffalo, Ottawa and Columbus to name a few.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Totally agree. Whitecloud really stands out as both a player thar Vegas might want to trade to recover cap space, and cheap enough and solid enough to fill a need on a number of teams. Buffalo, Ottawa and Columbus to name a few.

It seems to me Vegas would be more inclined to move people on the left side. Incidentally, I'd argue Columbus have more need to add on the left side too. The guy that Vegas have that's easiest to move is Nic Hague. I wouldn't mind it at all if the Blue Jackets could make a deal for him. The Golden Knights are a bit short on forward depth. I've seen Texier for Hague being thrown around on Capfriendly. That makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[koteka]

The guy that Vegas have that's easiest to move

I think the Vegas D play is sign Martinez to a one year deal with the idea you trade him to Vegas or the Kings at the deadline. You let Bean walk.

You play the season with Werenski-Provorov-Martinez on the left side. Martinez can tell stories of Cup wins with the Kings and Knights.

You trade Provorov and Martinez at some point. This allows you to bring up two of Mateychuk, Svozil, Christiansen, or Zboril, or take somebody’s cap dump left D.

I expect the end of the next season will be about improving our draft position while evaluating young guys.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I think the Vegas D play is sign Martinez to a one year deal with the idea you trade him to Vegas or the Kings at the deadline. You let Bean walk.

You play the season with Werenski-Provorov-Martinez on the left side. Martinez can tell stories of Cup wins with the Kings and Knights.

You trade Provorov and Martinez at some point. This allows you to bring up two of Mateychuk, Svozil, Christiansen, or Zboril, or take somebody’s cap dump left D.

I expect the end of the next season will be about improving our draft position while evaluating young guys.

Martinez is way over the hill. Hague already has lots of playoff experience, has size, is young and can play on the PK. He makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[CBJx614]

I think the Vegas D play is sign Martinez to a one year deal with the idea you trade him to Vegas or the Kings at the deadline. You let Bean walk.

You play the season with Werenski-Provorov-Martinez on the left side. Martinez can tell stories of Cup wins with the Kings and Knights.

You trade Provorov and Martinez at some point. This allows you to bring up two of Mateychuk, Svozil, Christiansen, or Zboril, or take somebody’s cap dump left D.

I expect the end of the next season will be about improving our draft position while evaluating young guys.

This is the last thing Waddell and the FO want, they want to be aggressive at the draft, off-season and likely TDL so they are pushing for the playoffs. I know you're convinced we are a lottery team next year, but the GM thinks otherwise.

 

[EspenK]

This is the last thing Waddell and the FO want, they want to be aggressive at the draft, off-season and likely TDL so they are pushing for the playoffs. I know you're convinced we are a lottery team next year, but the GM thinks otherwise.

So did Jarmo & JD last year.Think otherwise to be clear.

 

[CBJx614]

So did Jarmo & JD last year.Think otherwise to be clear.

Jarmo was making moves for his job, his biggest blunder was selling the team as a competitive playoff contender from day 1 instead of announcing another rebuild.

This team is so full of young talent that they desperately need to start surrounding the youth with proven winners and vets so that the kids can take the next step...not looking towards the future for when prospects are ready.

They are already here.

 

[majormajor]

It seems to me Vegas would be more inclined to move people on the left side. Incidentally, I'd argue Columbus have more need to add on the left side too. The guy that Vegas have that's easiest to move is Nic Hague. I wouldn't mind it at all if the Blue Jackets could make a deal for him. The Golden Knights are a bit short on forward depth. I've seen Texier for Hague being thrown around on Capfriendly. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Hague looks like a good piece, but it seems like we also need veterans so signing a veteran LD shutdown guy would make more sense, and save us assets on a trade.

I think the Vegas D play is sign Martinez to a one year deal with the idea you trade him to Vegas or the Kings at the deadline. You let Bean walk.

You play the season with Werenski-Provorov-Martinez on the left side. Martinez can tell stories of Cup wins with the Kings and Knights.

You trade Provorov and Martinez at some point. This allows you to bring up two of Mateychuk, Svozil, Christiansen, or Zboril, or take somebody’s cap dump left D.

I expect the end of the next season will be about improving our draft position while evaluating young guys.

I like the general idea of it but I think Martinez might be past his sell by date. Brenden Dillon still has the tread on his tires.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Hague looks like a good piece, but it seems like we also need veterans so signing a veteran LD shutdown guy would make more sense, and save us assets on a trade.

I wouldn't mind that either.

But why?

 

[CBJx614]

Hague looks like a good piece, but it seems like we also need veterans so signing a veteran LD shutdown guy would make more sense, and save us assets on a trade.



I like the general idea of it but I think Martinez might be past his sell by date. Brenden Dillon still has the tread on his tires.

Speaking of...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799859707466956820

 

[GoJackets1]

Complete asshole move by the Caps.

 

[koteka]

Martinez is way over the hill. Hague already has lots of playoff experience, has size, is young and can play on the PK. He makes a lot of sense to me.

But why would Vegas move him? He is cap hit is $2.3 million next year. He is exactly the kind of guy they need. He is an RFA next summer. That is when they would trade him.

This is the last thing Waddell and the FO want, they want to be aggressive at the draft, off-season and likely TDL so they are pushing for the playoffs. I know you're convinced we are a lottery team next year, but the GM thinks otherwise.

I don’t think anyone knows what the GM thinks. He probably doesn’t know what he thinks. He is a the beginning of his assessment and we have a ton of question marks.

Hague looks like a good piece, but it seems like we also need veterans so signing a veteran LD shutdown guy would make more sense, and save us assets on a trade.



I like the general idea of it but I think Martinez might be past his sell by date. Brenden Dillon still has the tread on his tires.

I was responding specifically to the idea of getting a defenseman from Vegas. I don’t see them giving up anyone. I think Jarmo screwed us last year when he went after Provorvov and Severson. We could have gone after guys like Dillon and Matt Roy this summer instead. The scary thing about adding Dillon is the part of his contract when he is too old and the rest of this team is getting good - he might take a decent deal to chase a cup, but if he signs with Columbus he’ll want term. Then in a few seasons we have Severson and Dillon making $10 million+ as our not so good bottom pair.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

But why would Vegas move him? He is cap hit is $2.3 million next year. He is exactly the kind of guy they need. He is an RFA next summer. That is when they would trade him.

Because they have too many LD (Hanifin, Theodore, McNabb and Hague) and need depth scoring on the F side. He is the LD that is the easiest to move. They could also move McNabb, but he has an M-NTC. I doubt they move Theodore.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Because they have too many LD (Hanifin, Theodore, McNabb and Hague) and need depth scoring on the F side. He is the LD that is the easiest to move. They could also move McNabb, but he had a M-NTC. I doubt they move Theodore.

A lot of fan chatter (so take it for what it’s worth, which is nothing) that Theodore is the guy who’d garner the best return and free up the most cap space at the same time.

 

[koteka]

Because they have too many LD (Hanifin, Theodore, McNabb and Hague) and need depth scoring on the F side. He is the LD that is the easiest to move. They could also move McNabb, but he had a M-NTC. I doubt they move Theodore.

They have 6 legit NHL defensemen under contract. For a total of $30 million. (To compare, we have 5 mostly worse guys under contract for $27 million.) I bet Vegas will run with what they have. Someone will play his off hand. If they need offense they will add a couple of cheap guys chasing Cups or make late season trades like they always do. Who are you offering for Hague? The guys they would want (Marchenko,etc) are all RFA and Vegas would want cost certainty.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

A lot of fan chatter (so take it for what it’s worth, which is nothing) that Theodore is the guy who’d garner the best return and free up the most cap space at the same time.

It's not impossible. I'd guess they'd want a top 6 winger like Buchnevich, Necas or Schmaltz coming back.

They have 6 legit NHL defensemen under contract. For a total of $30 million. (To compare, we have 5 mostly worse guys under contract for $27 million.) I bet Vegas will run with what they have. Someone will play his off hand. If they need offense they will add a couple of cheap guys chasing Cups or make late season trades like they always do. Who are you offering for Hague? The guys they would want (Marchenko,etc) are all RFA and Vegas would want cost certainty.

I didn't say they are absolutely going to trade Hague. I think he's more likely to get dealt than Whitecloud though.

Columbus' blue line is overpaid, so it's not really a fair comparison. But anyway, if I had to guess, I'd say Vegas are probably going to run Pietrangelo, Whitecloud and Korczak on the right side and Hanifin, Theodore and McNabb on the left. But that's just what I'm guessing. I don't know.

Vegas will not get a Marchenko-type player for Hague. That would be an overpay. They have an abundance of quality LD but not much in terms of quality bottom 6 forwards. As I said above, I've seen Texier for Hague suggested on CapFriendly. That seems reasonable. I don't see him getting a higher salary than Hague already has.