Offseason Roster Moves, Rumors, and Discussion

[cbjthrowaway]

only 23.4 million to sign 7 RFA AND Necas if he were gotten for only picks.

Something has to go back the other way.

you answered your own question there.

any necas deal would likely be built around some of their RFAs anyway (i.e. marchenko+) and i'd imagine it would also include a defenseman seeing as the canes are set to lose a bunch of theirs.

i'd rather pay necas $8m than marchenko $6m.

 

[KJ Dangler]

But we wouldn't have the cap space for Necas without moving players and having so many RFA to sign. Until anyone knows where Laine stands, that is 8.7 million in dead space we can't account for leaving only 23.4 million to sign 7 RFA AND Necas if he were gotten for only picks.

Something has to go back the other way.

I don’t think Laine is with us next year …but it’s all speculation.. Waddell mentioned one bad contract he needed to get off , being that he was talking about reviving Elvis career , and that he tried to trade from Elvis that left Laine in my opinion .

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I don’t think Laine is with us next year …but it’s all speculation.. Waddell mentioned one bad contract he needed to get off , being that he was talking about reviving Elvis career , and that he tried to trade from Elvis that left Laine in my opinion .

I don't remember him mentioning one bad contract. Listening to the interviews Waddell made, he talked about how fixing the defense should be relatively easy while getting goalscoring is harder (which is what a 100 % healthy Laine can provide in spades). That tells me he will focus on the defense with any off-season moves. I wouldn't be too surprised if Provorov is moved already in the summer instead of at the TDL.

 

[CBJx614]

Let's not act like Waddell doesn't know our roster at all.

We were a divisional opponent, he knows our roster. It's the prospect pool he said he wasn't too sure of.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

I don’t think Laine is with us next year …but it’s all speculation.. Waddell mentioned one bad contract he needed to get off , being that he was talking about reviving Elvis career , and that he tried to trade from Elvis that left Laine in my opinion .

Link the interview he said that in? I've been listening to everything i see, and that's a new one to me

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Let's not act like Waddell doesn't know our roster at all.

We were a divisional opponent, he knows our roster. It's the prospect pool he said he wasn't too sure of.

Of course he knows the names and players in NHL level, but unless there was some trade talks behind the scenes that required his attention, he likely watched 6 CBJ games last season. Okay, maybe a bit over since he may have been looking at someone in the opposing team, but you get the point

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

you answered your own question there.

any necas deal would likely be built around some of their RFAs anyway (i.e. marchenko+) and i'd imagine it would also include a defenseman seeing as the canes are set to lose a bunch of theirs.

i'd rather pay necas $8m than marchenko $6m.

Maybe. I'd like to have both of them and move somebody else but I don't know what that would look like and I'm not sure marchenko will get that much. Of course the wild card is also what Chinakov is looking for.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I don't remember him mentioning one bad contract. Listening to the interviews Waddell made, he talked about how fixing the defense should be relatively easy while getting goalscoring is harder (which is what a 100 % healthy Laine can provide in spades). That tells me he will focus on the defense with any off-season moves. I wouldn't be too surprised if Provorov is moved already in the summer instead of at the TDL.

Pretty sure it was Marek interview , I’ve listened to all of them, let me go back and find it . And as far as the new faces for next year , he felt they were good on D , might see a tweak , but the goals against could be fixed with structure and help up front .. I’m guessing responsible 2 way players .. Let me go back and listen , he’s definitely referenced one bad contract .

 

[Viqsi]

I for one do not see what it is that makes people think Necas is an excellent option for C here while simultaneously disdaining the idea of Laine at C. The guy's established as a winger and he is not showing anything that suggests he would be capable of being a useful center.

Well, okay, I think I do see what it is, but I'm withholding it because it's an extremely uncharitable presumption.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

I for one do not see what it is that makes people think Necas is an excellent option for C here while simultaneously disdaining the idea of Laine at C. The guy's established as a winger and he is not showing anything that suggests he would be capable of being a useful center.

Well, okay, I think I do see what it is, but I'm withholding it because it's an extremely uncharitable presumption.

I recall he played center before NHL, so for me he has the background, tools and size for it. Don't think it'll be a rough transition.

Laine at C is still interesting to me too, assuming last season was just the result of spiraling mental health. I don't think anyone would want to bet the season on that though.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797743857364533642

Wont help with the goals against tho

 

[MoeBartoli]

I for one do not see what it is that makes people think Necas is an excellent option for C here while simultaneously disdaining the idea of Laine at C. The guy's established as a winger and he is not showing anything that suggests he would be capable of being a useful center.

Well, okay, I think I do see what it is, but I'm withholding it because it's an extremely uncharitable presumption.

I with you on all points you raise. He’s had one season that merits a $7.5AAV with term. Looks to me like posters wanting another Severson type acquisition. Color me cynical.

 

[ViD]

What makes you guys think Marchenko or Chinakhov will demand $6m a year ? I don’t think they’ve had season performances that warrant that amount. I can see both sign bridge deals with $5m and $4m for 86 and 59 respectively

 

[CBJx614]

Of course he knows the names and players in NHL level, but unless there was some trade talks behind the scenes that required his attention, he likely watched 6 CBJ games last season. Okay, maybe a bit over since he may have been looking at someone in the opposing team, but you get the point

I buy that for the kids on the team with only a year or two of experience. But I mean he said he tried to trade for Elvis 4 years ago. So at minimum he's watched him play close to 30 times, and the same goes for guys like Jenner and Z and Gaudreau and anybody who's been in the league for more than 2 years and that's just from us playing them. Who knows what kind of reports he's gotten from his amateur scouts over the last couple seasons about our players

 

[Indy18]

What makes you guys think Marchenko or Chinakhov will demand $6m a year ? I don’t think they’ve had season performances that warrant that amount. I can see both sign bridge deals with $5m and $4m for 86 and 59 respectively

That's the AFP Long Term prediction rate for Marchenko. Currently they have Chinakhov at a bridge deal (along with all of our other RFAs)

 

[CBJx614]

That's the AFP Long Term prediction rate for Marchenko. Currently they have Chinakhov at a bridge deal (along with all of our other RFAs)

Maybe it's just me, but id take a 6x6 gamble on Marchenko without hesitation.

All of those numbers don't look too unreasonable, I'm curious what their asks are though.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

Necas seems like a better Roslovic to me and I’m not sure that’s what we are in need of

 

[EspenK]

Necas seems like a better Roslovic to me and I’m not sure that’s what we are in need of

He was a nearly .8 ppg player the last 2 combined seasons. A lot better Roslovic.

 

[EspenK]

But we wouldn't have the cap space for Necas without moving players and having so many RFA to sign. Until anyone knows where Laine stands, that is 8.7 million in dead space we can't account for leaving only 23.4 million to sign 7 RFA AND Necas if he were gotten for only picks.

Something has to go back the other way.

I think if RFA re-signings are kept reasonable no more than 3-3.5mm for Chinakov & Marchenko and the total to around 12mm I think Necas could be signed for 7-7.5 with a dump or two going back. I don't see at this point where any of the RFAs have earned more than that.

 

[majormajor]

you answered your own question there.

any necas deal would likely be built around some of their RFAs anyway (i.e. marchenko+) and i'd imagine it would also include a defenseman seeing as the canes are set to lose a bunch of theirs.

i'd rather pay necas $8m than marchenko $6m.

I'd expect Necas to be paid twice as much or more than twice as much as Marchenko on their upcoming contracts.

I don't think $7.5m is unreasonable for Necas and it wouldn't be an issue under our cap, but I think he's a poor fit for what we need.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797743857364533642

Wont help with the goals against tho

Doesn't have a lot of center experience, doesn't play defense, doesn't have a detail oriented game or any rep for leadership.

If you wanted the Blue Jackets to stay the way they are - a dangle fest that is less than the sum of its parts - then Marty Necas is your guy.

Maybe it's just me, but id take a 6x6 gamble on Marchenko without hesitation.

All of those numbers don't look too unreasonable, I'm curious what their asks are though.

Unless you think we're risking Marchenko popping off and earning an $8m deal, and you want to head that off with a 6x6, then I can't see any reason to do a 6x6. And I don't think he has that kind of upside. We can do short deals with Marchenko for $3-4m for now until he shows us something more.

 

[ViD]

He was a nearly .8 ppg player the last 2 combined seasons. A lot better Roslovic.

In a much better offensive team though, even Roslovic was pretty effective for NYR in play offs

Unless you think we're risking Marchenko popping off and earning an $8m deal, and you want to head that off with a 6x6, then I can't see any reason to do a 6x6. And I don't think he has that kind of upside. We can do short deals with Marchenko for $3-4m for now until he shows us something more.

At this time I don’t think any CBJ player deserves a long term lucrative deal, need to see more from them when team becomes more productive

 

[majormajor]

I buy that for the kids on the team with only a year or two of experience. But I mean he said he tried to trade for Elvis 4 years ago. So at minimum he's watched him play close to 30 times, and the same goes for guys like Jenner and Z and Gaudreau and anybody who's been in the league for more than 2 years and that's just from us playing them. Who knows what kind of reports he's gotten from his amateur scouts over the last couple seasons about our players

There are players you might have seen 30 games that you don't know much about beyond the name and position. Like I know Jordan Martinook's role and basically what people say about him and what he looks and skates like but I don't know how good he actually is. Pro-scouting reports are only read for players of particular interest. Like most people, GMs are mostly watching their own team. So I think Waddell probably knows a half dozen players well but the rest he's just learning about now.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Will dynamic Carolina Hurricanes forward Martin Necas return to Raleigh? What we know

The Czech winger has speed and skill and can be a consistent point producer, but Canes’ roster decisions could see former first-round pick leave.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

The question now: Will Necas be back?

To the NHL, yes. At 25, with his speed and skill, he can be a top-six forward on many NHL teams. Chances are, he might get a shot at playing center for an NHL team.

But there is increasing speculation that he won’t be doing that with the Hurricanes, who selected Necas in the first-round of the 2017 NHL Draft. With all the Canes’ offseason moves and roster decisions, it’s possible Necas could have a new landing spot and a new start elsewhere.

Necas just finished a two-year contract, signed in August 2022, that paid him $3 million a year. A restricted free agent with arbitration rights, he had 24 goals and 53 points in 77 games — an offensive dip from 2022-23, when he led the Canes with 71 points.

Necas had four goals and nine points in the Canes’ 11 playoff games, scoring in each of the last two games against the Rangers in the second round.

“He’s an exceptionally skilled player that has a lot more to give in my own opinion,” Canes president and general manager Don Waddell said Monday. “We’ll figure out something with him.

“I don’t have enough toes and fingers to tell you how many players have walked into my office about being traded,” Waddell added. “We’re not opposed always to trading players, but you also have to look at the value of what you’re getting back for players. Marty’s an exceptionally skilled guy that you’re just not going to give up on, that’s for sure.”

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

My optimistic and home-blind take is that, in the long run, Johnson will occupy the niche that Necas would fill.

As has been said, if Columbus are making a trade for a high-end forward, I would hope that it's one that brings an element that the team lacks. Necas doesn't really do that.

 

[EspenK]

My optimistic and home-blind take is that, in the long run, Johnson will occupy the niche that Necas would fill.

As has been said, if Columbus are making a trade for a high-end forward, I would hope that it's one that brings an element that the team lacks. Necas doesn't really do that.

How many .8 ppg players do the Jackets have?

This is another example of a longstanding tradition on this board of people downplaying any proposed trade for a guy who is not a star. Necas is a proven pro much more so than most CBJ players. Things won't change in Columbus unless and until some of the current Jackets are gone and more guys like Necas are added.