Offseason Roster Discussion part 3

[kmwtrucks]

he hurt during the Edmonton series is what I remember

 

[ClydeLee]

Wait are you saying Nylander’s knee was injured during the season? The only report I saw was that he injured it in the offseason

It wasn't reported at the time but his December injury when starting skating was reagrivating it.

It for sure happened vs Vegas, Q&A with Alex Nylander: On knee injury, rehab process

But he doesn't know when or if during Edmonton, he was pretty bad in Edmonton in his own before though. Sure I recall a couple neutral zone mishaps going the other way. I won't say his play was only bad from an injury

 

[RayP]

Yes Nylander played better with Kane…. But who doesn’t? He never passed the eye test for me. Kane has turned bums into solid players/passenger much of his career.

 

[BobbyJet]

Is lack of heart considered an injury? Just wondering.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

will not be surprised if Reichel makes the opening day lineup based on what everyone on this board is saying about him, Hawks also have a track record developing their top prospects at the NHL level, they rarely send players to RFD for any meaningful amount of time and Reichel has a few years of pro experience already...it's Nylander, Connolly, etc that should be on the outside looking in...all accounts are that Reichel is a really smart player with good instincts and a lot of skill so he'll probably adapt to smaller ice pretty quickly, player that comes to mind when reading the reports on Reichel is Turbo, both slight builds but highly skilled and smart players, didn't take Turbo long to transition to the NHL and make an impact

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kubalik Toews Johnson
Debrincat Dach Kane
Strome Borgstrom Gaudette
Hagel Carpenter Nylander
Khaira

S Jones Murphy
Kalynuk McCabe
Stillman DeHaan
C Jones

Fleury
Lankinen

That's my guess heading into training camp. Hopefully Strome is dealt, so they can put Reichel in there, if he performs.

 

[BK]

Kubalik Toews Johnson
Debrincat Dach Kane
Strome Borgstrom Gaudette
Hagel Carpenter Nylander
Khaira

S Jones Murphy
Kalynuk McCabe
Stillman DeHaan
C Jones

Fleury
Lankinen

That's my guess heading into training camp. Hopefully Strome is dealt, so they can put Reichel in there, if he performs.

Wouldn't these pairings make more sense?

McCabe S Jones
Kalynuk Murphy
Stillman DeHaan

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I was listening to the new Laz and Powers pod and they were theorizing that the Hawks could run four offensive lines if they wanted to. Kurashev would center line four, Johnson line three.

You could still do a solid PK without Carpenter/Khaira types with DeBrincat, Dach, Hagel, Toews/Johnson.

they have a hard time seeing Colliton not playing Carpenter on the fourth line though

DeBrincat-Dach-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-Reichel/Hagel
Strome-Johnson-Hagel/Gaudette
Borgstrom-Kurashev-Nylander/Gaudette

de Haan-S. Jones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Kalynuk
C.Jones

 

[RayP]

I would try and bump Johnson down to 3C to play with Hagel.

I’d also ease Toews back into the lineup with his buddy Kane and probably Debrincat on the other side.

Nylander, Strome, and Borgstorm can not be paired together in any combo.

 

[Giovi]

Shhhhhh the anti-Stromers will hear you

It's not about being anti-Strome. It's about being able to see that his game, which was always one-dimensional, is currently in the toilet.

You've got to stop spiking your own Kool-Aid.

 

[bwana63]

Shhhhhh the anti-Stromers will hear you

Yeah, the sample size isn't big enough.

Definitely needs 2-3 more seasons.

 

[BobbyJet]

It's not about being anti-Strome. It's about being able to see that his game, which was always one-dimensional, is currently in the toilet.

.

... and about icing the best line-up.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Wouldn't these pairings make more sense?

McCabe S Jones
Kalynuk Murphy
Stillman DeHaan

Right, forgot S Jones is a RHD

 

[Muffinalt]

I was listening to the new Laz and Powers pod and they were theorizing that the Hawks could run four offensive lines if they wanted to. Kurashev would center line four, Johnson line three.

You could still do a solid PK without Carpenter/Khaira types with DeBrincat, Dach, Hagel, Toews/Johnson.

they have a hard time seeing Colliton not playing Carpenter on the fourth line though

DeBrincat-Dach-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-Reichel/Hagel
Strome-Johnson-Hagel/Gaudette
Borgstrom-Kurashev-Nylander/Gaudette

de Haan-S. Jones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Kalynuk
C.Jones

Absolutely. I've been saying this the whole summer, we have the personnel to run 4 legitimate two way lines (we'd need some of our maybe guys to put doubt behind though).

But we could. I hope we will, it would be big advantage.

I can't see it though unfo, just too traditional to run a 'dependable grinder line'. Maybe down the line when the eventual shuffle is needed in a rut we go to it - find out hop it's working and keep at it.

 

[BobbyJet]

Absolutely. I've been saying this the whole summer, we have the personnel to run 4 legitimate two way lines (we'd need some of our maybe guys to put doubt behind though).

But we could. I hope we will, it would be big advantage.

I can't see it though unfo, just too traditional to run a 'dependable grinder line'. Maybe down the line when the eventual shuffle is needed in a rut we go to it - find out hop it's working and keep at it.

This is fine for a top team like TB but I reckon in Chicago such a philosophy wouldn't work. Not enough fire power.

 

[echlfreak]

Wouldn't these pairings make more sense?

McCabe S Jones
Kalynuk Murphy
Stillman DeHaan

Yes, those should be the pairings to start

Or
McCabe Jones
Stillman Murphy
Kalynuk DeHann Jones

 

[Kevin Musto]

S Jones Murphy
Kalynuk McCabe
Stillman DeHaan
C Jones

McCabe S Jones
Kalynuk Murphy
Stillman DeHaan

de Haan-S. Jones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Kalynuk
C.Jones

McCabe Jones
Stillman Murphy
Kalynuk DeHann Jones

The problem is none of these include Ian Mitchell.

 

[BK]

The problem is none of these include Ian Mitchell.

He is an option but he has to be college Ian and not last year Ian.

 

[Hawkaholic]

The problem is none of these include Ian Mitchell.

He's waiver exempt.

 

[Kevin Musto]

There are players who did not want to get vaccinated, but eventually did so because they want to play, didn’t want to risk their salaries and were reminded their teams are depending on them — especially if the organization stuck out its neck to sign or acquire you. Not getting your shot(s) could put their clubs at a competitive disadvantage under current league and government rules. That absolutely resonated with some of the final converts.

Probably Seth Jones

 

[WarLax]

There are players who did not want to get vaccinated, but eventually did so because they want to play, didn’t want to risk their salaries and were reminded their teams are depending on them — especially if the organization stuck out its neck to sign or acquire you. Not getting your shot(s) could put their clubs at a competitive disadvantage under current league and government rules. That absolutely resonated with some of the final converts.

Probably Seth Jones

Doesn't matter, at least he's going to be at camp on time.

 

[BobbyJet]

Not a great way for Keith to begin his days in Edmonton. :shakes head:

 

[kmwtrucks]

I cannot believe we got Jones and a 3rd that could be a 2nd for Keith. he statistically was a one of the worst d in all the league at multiple categories and un like jones can he really improve much at his age. I think he can be better but not by a ton. Jones on the other hand could be a guy that ends up top 5 in voting for norris

 

[swerdnase]

They got Caleb for Keith not Seth.

 

[bwana63]

I cannot believe we got Jones and a 3rd that could be a 2nd for Keith. he statistically was a one of the worst d in all the league at multiple categories and un like jones can he really improve much at his age. I think he can be better but not by a ton. Jones on the other hand could be a guy that ends up top 5 in voting for norris

Just to be clear, not debating Keith's decline.