Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread - Trades, Signings, Rumors

[DougieSmash]

I like Landy more. Physical presence, leadership, two-way game, 20 goals every season, long term contract, still very young. There's no way this happen but my dream is

Landeskog/ Rask/ Lindholm
Aho/ Staal/ Niederreiter
Skinner on big time offensive

 

[GoldiFox]

Weird feeling that Jordan Eberle might be a guy we're in on. 2 year commitment for a player that's still fairly young. If it doesn't work out, it's only 2 years and won't mangle our money for the long term. If it does, we can probably retain him for even money at worst. The price tag should be reasonable considering his salary. Great buy low candidate.

Agree on all counts. Eberle seems to me like a good buy-low. I'd much rather give up a 2nd + prospect or couple 2nds (even 12 OA if it came that) for Eberle than Fleury+1st for Duchene.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wouldn't hesitate in the slightest. Fleury's future here is "guy that got blocked by Slavin and Hanifin". Duchene would be our top center by a significant margin, and pretty close to Skinner as our top forward. That's a deal that gets us into the playoffs with the possibility of making noise if our goaltending holds up.

Yes. Fleury' future here is only as a third pairing guy unless someone else is hurt or traded. If he can be the main part of a package that brings back a first line forward, you do that every day.

 

[NotOpie]

I like Landy more. Physical presence, leadership, two-way game, 20 goals every season, long term contract, still very young. There's no way this happen but my dream is

Landeskog/ Rask/ Lindholm
Aho/ Staal/ Niederreiter
Skinner on big time offensive

I don't believe we'd want to give up the assets it would take to get both Landy and Nino. I'm still wondering if there's some sort of deal brewing between Minny and the Canes, one that would be bigger and include an expansion exempt asset going back the Wild's way.

Yes. Fleury' future here is only as a third pairing guy unless someone else is hurt or traded. If he can be the main part of a package that brings back a first line forward, you do that every day.

As much as I'd like to see what Fleury could do here, I believe you're right. That's the reason I think that GMRF is still holding out for a pick(s) plus prospect deal for a scoring Top 6 forward.

 

[Roboturner913]

I wouldn't hesitate in the slightest. Fleury's future here is "guy that got blocked by Slavin and Hanifin". Duchene would be our top center by a significant margin, and pretty close to Skinner as our top forward. That's a deal that gets us into the playoffs with the possibility of making noise if our goaltending holds up.

I don't know, we get hung up on the left/right handedness thing. Remember Faulk is UFA in 3 years and Slavin has played the right side well. If you told me the long-term future of the D was Fleury/Slavin on the first pair and Hanifin/Pesce on the second, I would not be surprised at all.

 

[Vagrant]

The thing that bothers me a bit about Fleury is that we're assuming a lot about his development. He had a really rough start to his AHL season this year and only scored 2 points in his first 2 months of hockey and was a healthy extra at one point. Ulf mentioned that he came in a little out of shape as well. I don't know, there's just something that strikes me as not entirely 100% that he's going to be a lock to be a strong NHL player. I feel like with the good fortune we've had with defensemen in the past few years, we're kind of assuming his trajectory will continue upward and that might not happen. If the right trade comes along that helps the NHL roster, we've got to consider it. We have 4 guys I am really confident in moving forward that we need to keep together and beyond that, we can perpetually find the 5th and 6th in free agency and internally for all it matters to me. Faulk, Slavin, Pesce, and Hanifin are the guys we need to retain in my view at this point. If we can get good bottom pairing minutes out of the McKeown/Carrick type prospects we have and pick up a veteran in free agency, that's a damn good group. The forwards on the other hand need some pretty significant changes.

 

[LeafChief]

Coming in peace.

Any interest/need for a guy like JVR in Carolina. I could start a thread on the main trade board but that will get flooded with nonsense real quick. Just wondering if actual Canes fans see it as a fit.

Many people like to ask "but why would the Leafs want to move JVR". The basic answer is that the Leafs have a lot of young winger prospects and JVR is basically the one on the current roster with the most trade value.

 

[NotOpie]

The thing that bothers me a bit about Fleury is that we're assuming a lot about his development. He had a really rough start to his AHL season this year and only scored 2 points in his first 2 months of hockey and was a healthy extra at one point. Ulf mentioned that he came in a little out of shape as well. I don't know, there's just something that strikes me as not entirely 100% that he's going to be a lock to be a strong NHL player. I feel like with the good fortune we've had with defensemen in the past few years, we're kind of assuming his trajectory will continue upward and that might not happen. If the right trade comes along that helps the NHL roster, we've got to consider it. We have 4 guys I am really confident in moving forward that we need to keep together and beyond that, we can perpetually find the 5th and 6th in free agency and internally for all it matters to me. Faulk, Slavin, Pesce, and Hanifin are the guys we need to retain in my view at this point. If we can get good bottom pairing minutes out of the McKeown/Carrick type prospects we have and pick up a veteran in free agency, that's a damn good group. The forwards on the other hand need some pretty significant changes.

Vagrant, I agree that Fleury (or for that matter McKeown or Carrick) should be considered expendable as part of a trade that brings in real forward talent. I also am intrigued by what he has to offer (and what he did the last 4 months of the season down in Charlotte). Personally, I'd hope that GMRF is actively discussing things with the Wild. It seems like Brodin is the odd man out there and they'll likely want some sort of expansion exempt asset. Perhaps this is where a larger deal could be had.

 

[MinJaBen]

Coming in peace.

Any interest/need for a guy like JVR in Carolina. I could start a thread on the main trade board but that will get flooded with nonsense real quick. Just wondering if actual Canes fans see it as a fit.

Many people like to ask "but why would the Leafs want to move JVR". The basic answer is that the Leafs have a lot of young winger prospects and JVR is basically the one on the current roster with the most trade value.

Interest? Yes. However, given his contract status of only one year remaining to UFA, I'd only offer picks back. I'd have zero interest if you are looking for one of our NHL level defenders.

 

[LeafChief]

Interest? Yes. However, given his contract status of only one year remaining to UFA, I'd only offer picks back. I'd have zero interest if you are looking for one of our NHL level defenders.

What would you be okay with offering (picks-wise)?

 

[MinJaBen]

What would you be okay with offering (picks-wise)?

I'm not sure. He wouldn't be my first target in the offseason due to his age relative to the rest of our team, so if you were set on moving him before the expansion draft, then I'd offer 2 2nds and a 3rd. If we were looking to do this after July 1st, I'd do our 2018 1st and a third. I'd also be willing to do Fleury plus a pick, maybe the Pen's 2nd.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What would you be okay with offering (picks-wise)?

Not a 1st, to which Leafs would rightfully say no deal. JVR makes more sense to a more competitive team imo.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm not sure. He wouldn't be my first target in the offseason due to his age relative to the rest of our team, so if you were set on moving him before the expansion draft, then I'd offer 2 2nds and a 3rd. If we were looking to do this after July 1st, I'd do our 2018 1st and a third. I'd also be willing to do Fleury plus a pick, maybe the Pen's 2nd.

We'll just agree to disagree on this. One year of JVR, who plays the same position as Skinner and Aho and is less physical than either of those two isn't worth that much to Carolina imo.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Trade Fleury ++ for Duchene and bring back the Ronster, aka Hand Grenade.

 

[LeafChief]

We'll just agree to disagree on this. One year of JVR, who plays the same position as Skinner and Aho and is less physical than either of those two isn't worth that much to Carolina imo.

Didn't realize Skinner and Aho are both LW.

JVR would be quite redundant.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Re: Fleury and coming in not in game shape, iirc, he was injured in traverse city and it lasted through most of training camp(or was that 2 seasons ago?).

It was his first pro season and he made tremendous strides through out the season. I do agree he's more expendable than Slavin and Hanifin, but I'd take the risk that he'll be more valuable in a year or two, than take a lower offer now.

 

[MinJaBen]

We'll just agree to disagree on this. One year of JVR, who plays the same position as Skinner and Aho and is less physical than either of those two isn't worth that much to Carolina imo.

Didn't realize Skinner and Aho are both LW.

JVR would be quite redundant.

Aho can play both sides, and may be moved to center, so I'm not too worried about JVRs handedness.

 

[Roboturner913]

Coming in peace.

Any interest/need for a guy like JVR in Carolina. I could start a thread on the main trade board but that will get flooded with nonsense real quick. Just wondering if actual Canes fans see it as a fit.

Many people like to ask "but why would the Leafs want to move JVR". The basic answer is that the Leafs have a lot of young winger prospects and JVR is basically the one on the current roster with the most trade value.

It's been discussed here at least a couple different times.

I think he would be a good fit. The question is, what is one year of him worth. There was something floated on the trade board which I believe was our 1st for JVR and your 2nd. I think that makes a lot of sense, and the 2nd could probably be conditional dependent on whether he decides to re-sign.

IMO, adding JVR would make the Canes forward lineup really hard to deal with. We'd be able to ice two legitimate scoring lines containing some combination of Skinner/JVR/Rask/Teravainen and that's before you even get into talking about Aho/Staal/Lindholm which was our best unit last season.

Didn't realize Skinner and Aho are both LW.

JVR would be quite redundant.

Nah, Aho played at RW at bunch last year and Skinner's game is suited to the off-wing if need be. Fitting him in would not be a problem - although I'm not sure it would be a problem, anyway.

Skinner-Rask-x
Aho-Staal-Lindy
JVR-x-TT

 

[bleedgreen]

I'd be interested too, but not at any of the prices I see out there in the main board. He would be no sure thing to sign back with us, we aren't a common destination yet. Wouldn't be worth a good piece unless we knew we were getting him signed.

 

[LeafChief]

How close is Fleury to being NHL ready?/

Would something around Fleury + 2nd for JVR work?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

How close is Fleury to being NHL ready?/

Would something around Fleury + 2nd for JVR work?

I wouldn't pay that price for potentially one year of JVR.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Aho can play both sides, and may be moved to center, so I'm not too worried about JVRs handedness.

He can, but imo was at his much better on LW. And while Francis and Peters have said they see Aho as a center at some point, they also were clear that they wouldn't do it until he was ready. People thought Skinner, years back and Lindholm not so many years back would be centers too. It's not a given, particularly next year.

I'm not THAT concerned about his handedness, bu combine that with his soft, non 2 way play and being a UFA in 1 year, and I would not give up what is being asked/proposed.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Nah, Aho played at RW at bunch last year and Skinner's game is suited to the off-wing if need be.

Aho was his best at LW though. And Skinner had been in the NHL since 2010 and I don't ever recall him playing on RW, so not sure why you think he can easily move to RW 7 years into his NHL career, coming off a career high in goals as a LW. Seems like something that sounds good among fans, but isn't very realistic.

Don't get me wrong, JVR would help the Canes as we need talent regardless of position, but spending much on a guy who is a UFA in 1 year and who plays a position where we are stronger doesn't make sense. Leafs aren't going to trade him unless the return is really good. I don't see RF giving up that type of return for a guy signed for 1 year.

If canes are in the hunt/playoffs at the deadline, it might be different.

 

[Vagrant]

If Aho were 6'3", well we wouldn't have him for one thing because he would have gone Top 5, but it's literally the only thing that makes him a less than ideal candidate to play center. I think the Hurricanes feel comfortable putting him there as soon as next season, and I see no reason why that wouldn't be a successful transition for him. The comparisons to Igor Larionov look even better now than they did before he came into the league. He's just so ridiculously smart at such a young age. It's one of the reasons I think we may feel comfortable going into next season without feeling the need to overpay for Duchene. If we can pick up a winger that can replace Aho's production in that slot then we might be just as well. That's why Eberle as a cheaper option made sense to me. Even JVR.

And no offense intended to Skinner or Lindholm, but they're just not centers. It's painfully obvious in the case of Skinner. Less so with Lindholm, but Lindholm doesn't seem assertive enough.

 

[Bazeek]

Vagrant, I agree that Fleury (or for that matter McKeown or Carrick) should be considered expendable as part of a trade that brings in real forward talent. I also am intrigued by what he has to offer (and what he did the last 4 months of the season down in Charlotte). Personally, I'd hope that GMRF is actively discussing things with the Wild. It seems like Brodin is the odd man out there and they'll likely want some sort of expansion exempt asset. Perhaps this is where a larger deal could be had.

I lean toward protecting Dumba myself and I'm still not all that convinced of the bolded. Let's assume it's true. What do you think Carolina is prepared to offer for Brodin assuming that Minnesota has already braced to lose him?