Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread - Trades, Signings, Rumors

[spockBokk]

I said this on the main trade board, but wanted to get ya'll's opinions.

I think many of us undervalue Ryan Nugent-Hopkins by a significant margin. He's a 24 year old, 55 point centerman who is responsible defensively. Production-wise he's a younger version of Marcus Johansson, no? I'd easily give up our 1st and a mid-to high-level prospect (McKeown or maybe even Saarela, guys like that).

I can't see us landing the true #1 center, so we'll likely roll a mix of "2nd lines" again this season. Adding him to our line-up gives us 3 true centermen. It would seem to me that those same 3 "2nd lines" would be a difficult match up for almost any team.

How flawed is this logic?

As has been said, it's the insistence of EDM fans on Pesce being included in a deal that makes it a no go. A 1st plus Saarela for RNH would be an ideal trade I think. A 1st plus or other asset plus any of our current top-4 for RNH, Eberle or any other like-fwd upgrade, outside of McKinnon level players, is robbing Peter to pay Paul, IMHO.

 

[geehaad]

I think many of us undervalue Ryan Nugent-Hopkins by a significant margin. He's a 24 year old, 55 point centerman who is responsible defensively.

Agreed. Many are willing to give up Hanifin to get Duchene, but only a bag of picks for RNH.

It would be interesting to see what he could do with some decent two-way wingers, so his offensive game could come to the fore a bit more than it would centering a line where he's having to make up for the offensive leanings of wingers like Eberle.

 

[RodTheBawd]

As has been said, it's the insistence of EDM fans on Pesce being included in a deal that makes it a no go. A 1st plus Saarela for RNH would be an ideal trade I think. A 1st plus or other asset plus any of our current top-4 for RNH, Eberle or any other like-fwd upgrade, outside of McKinnon level players, is robbing Peter to pay Paul, IMHO.

Only things I know about Saarela are what have been posted here, but that seems like an overpayment.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not sure why we are worried about forwards for next season. It's our defense that is going to be atrocious. With Hanifin off to Colorado and Pesce off to either NYR or EDM, we are in deep trouble.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Not sure why we are worried about forwards for next season. It's our defense that is going to be atrocious. With Hanifin off to Colorado and Pesce off to either NYR or EDM, we are in deep trouble.

No we're not. We have such a deep D pool that we can afford to ship those guys off, we have guys ready to step right in. Making those trades are our only option to avoid missing the playoffs again and getting shipped off to QC.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Not sure why we are worried about forwards for next season. It's our defense that is going to be atrocious. With Hanifin off to Colorado and Pesce off to either NYR or EDM, we are in deep trouble.

We should flip Duchene off to Minnesota for Brodin and then maybe see if Colorado would take RNH for Barrie.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

In all seriousness, I just don't see the Oilers trading RNH right now. They are very likely going to move Eberle, so moving two forwards of that caliber is a risky move. Plus RNH gives them more flexibility if they want to put Draisaitl on the wing like they did a lot last year.

 

[Bazeek]

We should flip Duchene off to Minnesota for Brodin and then maybe see if Colorado would take RNH for Barrie.

Pretty sure flipping Duchene to Minnesota would irritate the Avs enough to make them less than receptive Anyway, I don't think Minnesota can trade Brodin for a more expensive player.

Different topic, but one that's come up on the Wild boards: if Nino does ask for more than $6m it seems likely that Fletcher will at least think about moving him. Getting an expansion-exempt defenseman back for him pre-draft would make a lot of sense for us. Is Nino for Hanifin at all interesting to Carolina? Pluses could be worked out, if need be.

 

[Chan790]

Agreed. Many are willing to give up Hanifin to get Duchene, but only a bag of picks for RNH.

Anybody actually willing to trade Hanifin to get Duchene should get their mental acuity tested; that's a terrible idea on par with the Pronger trade, if the Pronger trade had involved time-travel and us ending up with late-career Alex Semin instead of a disgruntled Brendan Shanahan.

Even before last season, Duchene's time as a 1C was observably at an end. Wear-and-tear have taken their toll and I do believe he is closer to the end of his career than the beginning, also that someone is going to pay him in 2 years like an elite 1C he no longer is.

I have no confidence in his ability to rebound to the extent that would justify that trade...I think even #12 and Bean is overpayment, but we're desperate for forward scoring and Duchene as a reclamation project is a gamble worth taking if it only involves futures.

 

[Breakdowns]

We should flip Duchene off to Minnesota for Brodin and then maybe see if Colorado would take RNH for Barrie.

This guy is on something!!

 

[DaveG]

Anybody actually willing to trade Hanifin to get Duchene should get their mental acuity tested; that's a terrible idea on par with the Pronger trade, if the Pronger trade had involved time-travel and us ending up with late-career Alex Semin instead of a disgruntled Brendan Shanahan.

Even before last season, Duchene's time as a 1C was observably at an end. Wear-and-tear have taken their toll and I do believe he is closer to the end of his career than the beginning, also that someone is going to pay him in 2 years like an elite 1C he no longer is.

I have no confidence in his ability to rebound to the extent that would justify that trade...I think even #12 and Bean is overpayment, but we're desperate for forward scoring and Duchene as a reclamation project is a gamble worth taking if it only involves futures.

I was gonna say, the only people I've seen lately even remotely willing to trade Hanifin for Duchene are Avs fans. Nobody else, Canes fans or knowledgeable neutrals, says we would want anything to do with that.

 

[geehaad]

Nobody else, Canes fans or knowledgeable neutrals, says we would want anything to do with that.

There have definitely been some receptive voices. One's psuedonym is similar to Identilina Carolity. And I believe Bleed was for it, at least before the trade deadline.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

http://www.tsn.ca/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-episode-17-1.770708

~13:48

It’s McKenzie, but the wording of his comment leads me to believe that he is speculating, not divulging a rumor about the availability of Hanifin/Faulk. Prepare yourselves for another round of bad trade proposals once people become aware of it.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I was gonna say, the only people I've seen lately even remotely willing to trade Hanifin for Duchene are Avs fans. Nobody else, Canes fans or knowledgeable neutrals, says we would want anything to do with that.

Please only refer to them as the "Aves". A guy just posted his disdain for other fans using that abbreviation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

http://www.tsn.ca/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-episode-17-1.770708

~13:48

It’s McKenzie, but the wording of his comment leads me to believe that he is speculating, not divulging a rumor about the availability of Hanifin/Faulk. Prepare yourselves for another round of bad trade proposals once people become aware of it.

Meh..it was total speculation. He was just going around the league giving his thoughts on what might happen. "Keep an eye on the Canes, they may be in a position to move a defenseman for help upfront. Maybe a Noah Hanifin, Maybe a Justin Faulk. I'm not sure but they have a wealth of talent in the system..blah, blah."

EDIT: Avs fans already picked up on it and are foaming at the mouth.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Meh..it was total speculation. He was just going around the league giving his thoughts on what might happen. "Keep an eye on the Canes, they may be in a position to move a defenseman for help upfront. Maybe a Noah Hanifin, Maybe a Justin Faulk. I'm not sure but they have a wealth of talent in the system..blah, blah."

EDIT: Aves fans already picked up on it and are foaming at the mouth.

I'm going to need a sticky for this.

 

[NotOpie]

I'd give a 1st and prospect for RNH. I wouldn't give up any of our top 4 D for him though, which is what the Oilers fans are asking. The chances of our first becoming as good as RNH is slim at best. The problem is, he's a bit of "more of the same" of what we have, but he'd help.

Not sure he'd be my first choice, nor do I think he's a perfect fit, but the team would be better with him. Honestly though, I don't see the Oilers trading him. He's valuable enough to them that he makes them better also.

He wouldn't be my first choice either and, I agree, I don't think he actually gets moved given their efforts to seemingly shed themselves of Eberle. But if the value for Eberle just isn't there, do they bite the bullet thinking they can do better w/RNH? Still, I'm in agreement in that I don't think we're in a position to move any of our Top 4 on defense.

Different topic, but one that's come up on the Wild boards: if Nino does ask for more than $6m it seems likely that Fletcher will at least think about moving him. Getting an expansion-exempt defenseman back for him pre-draft would make a lot of sense for us. Is Nino for Hanifin at all interesting to Carolina? Pluses could be worked out, if need be.

While I'm one of the guys who thinks that Hanifin has boatloads of potential and I wouldn't do a Nino for Noah trade as a stand alone deal, I'd be more than willing to consider a bigger package that had one of the Wild's non-expansion exempt blueliners coming back to the Hurricanes. I would certainly consider Hanifin, our 2017 1st round pick, our 2017 3rd round pick for Niederreiter and Brodin. Perhaps there's another small add from Carolina and a late round pick coming back from MN. If Dumba was substituted for Brodin and we knew we could extend him, then I'd upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd and definitely include another small add from the Canes (again with some sort of late round pick coming back from the Wild).

To me this feels like it helps both teams while also making both teams cringe a bit at their loss.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Nino's career is so weird.

He was once traded for Clutterbuck and a 3rd.

He also once played 55 games in an NHL season, scoring one goal and zero assists.

 

[Bazeek]

He wouldn't be my first choice either and, I agree, I don't think he actually gets moved given their efforts to seemingly shed themselves of Eberle. But if the value for Eberle just isn't there, do they bite the bullet thinking they can do better w/RNH? Still, I'm in agreement in that I don't think we're in a position to move any of our Top 4 on defense.



While I'm one of the guys who thinks that Hanifin has boatloads of potential and I wouldn't do a Nino for Noah trade as a stand alone deal, I'd be more than willing to consider a bigger package that had one of the Wild's non-expansion exempt blueliners coming back to the Hurricanes. I would certainly consider Hanifin, our 2017 1st round pick, our 2017 3rd round pick for Niederreiter and Brodin. Perhaps there's another small add from Carolina and a late round pick coming back from MN. If Dumba was substituted for Brodin and we knew we could extend him, then I'd upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd and definitely include another small add from the Canes (again with some sort of late round pick coming back from the Wild).

To me this feels like it helps both teams while also making both teams cringe a bit at their loss.

Man, I hate the idea of trading Nino at all and I think if we did break down and trade him and a defenseman we'd get better value from them in separate deals... But I can't deny that Carolina suits us very well as a trading partner and our options would likely be limited. I think I'd want more coming from Carolina, but debating all that on your board seems rude. I think there might at least be the skeleton of a deal there somewhere.

Thanks for the input.

Nino's career is so weird.

He was once traded for Clutterbuck and a 3rd.

He also once played 55 games in an NHL season, scoring one goal and zero assists.

I think at this point even Islanders fans are pretty well agreed that he was mismanaged early on, and even then Clutterbuck + 3rd is kind of a head-scratcher. His trajectory has been nothing but upward since he got to Minnesota.

 

[Roboturner913]

I said this on the main trade board, but wanted to get ya'll's opinions.

I think many of us undervalue Ryan Nugent-Hopkins by a significant margin. He's a 24 year old, 55 point centerman who is responsible defensively. Production-wise he's a younger version of Marcus Johansson, no? I'd easily give up our 1st and a mid-to high-level prospect (McKeown or maybe even Saarela, guys like that).

I can't see us landing the true #1 center, so we'll likely roll a mix of "2nd lines" again this season. Adding him to our line-up gives us 3 true centermen. It would seem to me that those same 3 "2nd lines" would be a difficult match up for almost any team.

How flawed is this logic?

I would like to acquire him at the right price. His salary has to factor in to his trade value, though, because he is probably closer to a $4M player than a $6M player right now.

Aho-Staal-Lindy
Skinner-RNH-x
x-Rask-TT
McGinn-Wallmark-Nordy

I will say that is a lineup with some potential, especially if one of those X's turns out to be a Saarela or Gauthier coming through with a 15-20 goal season.

 

[NotOpie]

I would like to acquire him at the right price. His salary has to factor in to his trade value, though, because he is probably closer to a $4M player than a $6M player right now.

Aho-Staal-Lindy
Skinner-RNH-x
x-Rask-TT
McGinn-Wallmark-Nordy

I will say that is a lineup with some potential, especially if one of those X's turns out to be a Saarela or Gauthier coming through with a 15-20 goal season.

To tell you the truth, I'd rather RNH play with Teuvo. He was somewhat plagued with less than effective offensive partners last season. It would be interesting to pair him w/TT and whomever filled that LW slot. I'm just hoping that we can slot good ole Justin Williams in next to Skinner and Rask.

 

[DougieSmash]

Still El Nino, Brodin and Eberle/Duchene. That would be great offseason. And Stalberg!

 

[Brock Anton]

A lot of people here are going to be disappointed when we make all 10 picks at the draft and our only offseason acquisition is Drew Stafford.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

A lot of people here are going to be disappointed when we make all 10 picks at the draft and our only offseason acquisition is Drew Stafford.

Unpopular opinion:

Darling fills the biggest need of the offseason, and if he is an average starter (15-20 range), along with natural progression from being a young team and league-wide dilution in talent from adding a 31st team, this is already a borderline playoff team.

If we add a top 6 forward and a top 9 forward like RF says he wants (as opposed to filling the roster with Stafford-esque players), remove the word "borderline".

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I somewhat agree A.D. Some players, such as Aho, Hanifin, and maybe even Lindholm and Teravainen, should make strides.

The downside is that we have really had no significant injuries to speak of the last 2 years, at least on the forward front. Maybe part of that is being a young team, but I'm not sure we can bank on it occurring again. If we lose Stempniak to the expansion draft, then pick up another top 9 forward, we are basically counting on Darling, improvements to existing guys and no injuries to get us over the hump. Even though I'm not expecting a big deal to occur, I really think he needs to beef up the top 6 via a trade or UFA or we'll be on the outside looking in again. Remember, it took a franchise best point streak last year just to get is in the hunt.

I don't think it's wise for RF to trade any of Faulk, Hanifin, Slavin, Pesce, Aho, Lindholm, Skinner or Staal to achieve that (unless the deal is too good to pass up, which won't happen).

My guess is RF will trade some picks/prospects with a team that is losing a forward to expansion, and then will sign a 2nd tier UFA (like the Stempniak move).