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If the Kings want Mersch to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Brown or King.

If the Kings want Gravel to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Scuderi or Forbort.

Lombardi and Sutter can say this and that, but the Kings have a lot of dead weight on NHL deals.

Even letting Schenn go, the Kings have 7 D with Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Scuderi and Forbort on a one way.

The only way to make over this roster is let a lot of UFA's go, give some guys from Ontario a legitimate shot and deal some NHL players.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
Toffoli is much more valuable as a King imho. Larson is not a huge upgrade. Kings still have to score goals.
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Larsson would be a MASSIVE upgrade for the Kings. Id trade TT for him in a heartbeat, and TT might be the best goal scorer this team has had in a decade. realistically it has no chance of happening though
 
Johnny Utah said:
If the Kings want Mersch to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Brown or King.

If the Kings want Gravel to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Scuderi or Forbort.

Lombardi and Sutter can say this and that, but the Kings have a lot of dead weight on NHL deals.

Even letting Schenn go, the Kings have 7 D with Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Scuderi and Forbort on a one way.

The only way to make over this roster is let a lot of UFA's go, give some guys from Ontario a legitimate shot and deal some NHL players.
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We don't know Greene's status, and Forbort may be a #7 or easily traded while Scuderi COULD be buried or a #7.

There's a lot more roster flexibility than people will give it credit for
 
theMajor said:
Larsson would be a MASSIVE upgrade for the Kings. Id trade TT for him in a heartbeat, and TT might be the best goal scorer this team has had in a decade. realistically it has no chance of happening though
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A massive upgrade over who? Certainly not Martinez, not now at least. So it would be Schenn, Scuderi and McNabb. Believe me, we can find an upgrade over those three without trading our best young forward.
 
Scuderi can play in Ontario all season and be a nothing cap hit. He does not need to be traded.

If Forbort has to clear waivers, then it is a no-brainer to send Scuderi down.

8-6-27-3-2-Gravel-Forbort.
 
Blikian29 said:
A massive upgrade over who? Certainly not Martinez, not now at least. So it would be Schenn, Scuderi and McNabb. Believe me, we can find an upgrade over those three without trading our best young forward.
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with another couple seasons under his belt, I can see him being every bit as good or even better than Muzzin. kid has massive potential. I would say he is better than Martinez right now
 
theMajor said:
with another couple season under his belt, I can see him being every bit as good or even better than Muzzin. kid has massive potential
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No doubt about it. Especially on the defensive side of the game, he has gotten a lot better. But the forward steps he's taken have been small. Toffoli's have been bigger. When Toffoli finds consistency, he can score 40 goals. He had a big lull this season and hit 30.

IF Larsson's growth had been equal to Tyler's and if he looked like he was going to live up to his potential, I would consider the trade. But to me, Larsson is still finding his game in the NHL and as much as there's a chance he tops out at Muzzin, there's also a chance he tops out at Martinez.

It would be a very risky trade. Toffoli is reaching that "proven commodity" level. Larsson could get there soon, or he can stagnate. Is it worth the risk? To me, it's not.
 
Larsson is easily better than Martinez right now and has the potential to be better than anyone but Drew (and has the tools for that but not the IQ).

BigKing's configuration is, imo, the most likely going into the season barring a trade
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Larsson is easily better than Martinez right now and has the potential to be better than anyone but Drew (and has the tools for that but not the IQ).

BigKing's configuration is, imo, the most likely going into the season barring a trade
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I think we're overrating a kid who went 4th overall and was christened the next great Swedish defenseman. Again, I think he's great and if I were to bet, I'd bet he becomes the stud everyone thought he would be... and let's say I'm wrong and he is better than Martinez now. Would you trade a scoring winger with lots of potential, who is the same age, except he's won a Stanley Cup and has already potted 30 goals in the NHL?

I understand defenseman take a bit longer to develop and that apparently RHD are like unicorns, but I'm going to stick with the home grown winner that took a bridge deal to prove himself, and so far, has gone out and done it.
 
If Larsson is that good, why would the Devils trade him, when he's signed until 2021, at a very good cap hit for a defenseman with huge potential, for a winger that will likely cost more than he does on the cap?
 
KingsFan7824 said:
If Larsson is that good, why would the Devils trade him, when he's signed until 2021, at a very good cap hit for a defenseman with huge potential, for a winger that will likely cost more than he does on the cap?
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Because there is a lot of hoping on here that the Kings will somehow enter next season with the best Top 4 in the NHL while, I don't know, Kempe and Mersch put up 20 goals a piece?

Doubt Tyler "I'll take a discount on a bridge deal and have the Kings tattoo on my ass while putting up 31 goals" Toffoli is going to get traded.

If you trade him and don't bring Lucic back, where is the scoring coming from? Gaborik can pot 30 and a Reign prospect can get 20?

Lombardi could shock with some deal out of left field, but they are already prepping everyone with this Ontario talk. If they bring Lucic back, they are done with anything massive unless they can get rid of Brown or Gaborik.

They don't NEED Larsson or some stud #4...they just need some more speed and a better outlet pass from #s 4-6.
 
Blikian29 said:
I think we're overrating a kid who went 4th overall and was christened the next great Swedish defenseman. Again, I think he's great and if I were to bet, I'd bet he becomes the stud everyone thought he would be... and let's say I'm wrong and he is better than Martinez now. Would you trade a scoring winger with lots of potential, who is the same age, except he's won a Stanley Cup and has already potted 30 goals in the NHL?

I understand defenseman take a bit longer to develop and that apparently RHD are like unicorns, but I'm going to stick with the home grown winner that took a bridge deal to prove himself, and so far, has gone out and done it.
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I'm not advocating trading for him, fwiw. NJD would be foolish to get rid of him after the season he had.

The only thing it has to do with pedigree is that he still has untapped offensive potential; he was a top-five defensive d-man all year and a big reason NJ had such good numbers. He's a 'new breed' defensive d-man like Vlasic who can play elite in his end but move the puck very well out. He's a big dude who is a very fluid skater. He had a better goal differential and % than any other NJD d-man by a significant margin. The 'problems' are his offense hasn't really developed and he was kept off the PP nearly altogether, but him and Greene were the top ES and SH pairing. In other words, he'd be fantastic for the Kings on a 2nd pairing with Martinez, that would be balls-out elite Doughty-Muzzin / Martinez-Larsson. THeir team had a 12% GF% better with Larsson out there. His GA/60 of 1.35 was 2nd only to stralman (and his team without him on was 2.37). And so on. And I'd argue he'd be even better here, given NJD got absolutely caved-in on possession.

Anyway, imho, he's flown under the radar since people dropped their high expectations based on his pedigree. That's all I'm saying. AND he's signed to almost exactly the Voynov contract...
 
KingsFan7824 said:
If Larsson is that good, why would the Devils trade him, when he's signed until 2021, at a very good cap hit for a defenseman with huge potential, for a winger that will likely cost more than he does on the cap?
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I dont think the Devils will, it was just a fun hypothetical to entertain. Larsson is on a sweetheart deal and Toffoli has a big payday lurking around the corner, it wouldnt really work for either team
 
It might be a fair trade that might work very well for both teams but the devils are short on d prospects just like we are

I dunno I may have talked myself into liking it :laugh:

People are going to hear a lot more about AL in the coming years. If he were on our 2nd pairing, we would be ****ing scary.
 
I don't see much happening, I think a lot of you are going to be disappointed.

On a side note, I just purchased my first house ever, in Arizona (not retiring in California).

So 'Gratz' me, I guess.
 
BigKing said:
Scuderi can play in Ontario all season and be a nothing cap hit. He does not need to be traded.

If Forbort has to clear waivers, then it is a no-brainer to send Scuderi down.

8-6-27-3-2-Gravel-Forbort.
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Assuming Scuderi doesn't retire. He's not making a lot of money, I'm sure he knows his skills have declined, maybe he doesn't want to end his career playing in Ontario. There are also other good NHL teams that could use Scuderi on their 3rd pairing at a low cap hit, he won't be hard to move.
 
damacles1156 said:
I don't see much happening, I think a lot of you are going to be disappointed.

On a side note, I just purchased my first house ever, in Arizona (not retiring in California).

So 'Gratz' me, I guess.
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The core of this team has been chosen with the C's contract making him part of the core barring some magic.

We will ride the same horses. Just hope that the young blood coming in can provide more of a lift offensively from the Bottom 6 and from better break-outs from the bottom pairing.

Then we all cross our fingers that one of them can far surpass expectations along with the hopeful continued improvement from Pearson.

The experts are usually idiots, but this team was feared by many going into the playoffs. Then the season is over but every award nomination that comes out seems to have a King in it. The team has a lot of good players but doesn't seem to have much of a middle-class. Here's to hoping that the kids that make the team next year can bridge the gap a bit between the Kings best and worst players.
 
Lombardi standing pat after saying the Kings can't remain static and expect different results? One thing I've learned about Lombardi to is not expect anything cause he doesn't do what the rumor mills or fans want or hear about. I heard ZERO rumors about acquiring Lucic.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Assuming Scuderi doesn't retire. He's not making a lot of money, I'm sure he knows his skills have declined, maybe he doesn't want to end his career playing in Ontario. There are also other good NHL teams that could use Scuderi on their 3rd pairing at a low cap hit, he won't be hard to move.
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Definitely. Send him to Ontario and see if he clears. If he clears, he can then decide if he wants to hang them up or not.

Seeing as he was playing in the AHL this year, I don't see him walking away from his cash. If he is going to play in the AHL, can't really pick a better place to do it seeing as the schedule is almost entirely in California.

I don't want him to retire so it screws up Chicago's cap.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Lombardi standing pat after saying the Kings can't remain static and expect different results? One thing I've learned about Lombardi to is not expect anything cause he doesn't do what the rumor mills or fans want or hear about. I heard ZERO rumors about acquiring Lucic.
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I don't think he will stand pat, but letting Lewis walk and possibly moving some lower-level guys who have been here for two cups would seem to be a big move for Lombardi.

I'm just not sold on Lombardi's comments meaning big changes to the current roster but more of a change in the type of players being scouted at both the pro an amateur levels. An end to trading 1st round draft picks and not necessarily drafting character over skill every time.

Of course, Lombardi could really surprise with something crazy. Going to be tough though as every move made last season involved major salary retention and/or a player promising that he'd retire.
 
Washington: Another disappointing exit. May not be happy with Orlov (LHD). Needs depth scoring as well and possibly a depth C. They are under pressure to go all in at this point and have some decent prospects.
-Bowey: RHD prospect
-Samsonov/Vanecek Goalie prospects
-Vrana RW (shoots left)

They seem like they might be in a place to sacrifice some nice prospects for help now. The Kings are hitting the reset button and have time, they may have the time for the Caps prospects to develop.

There are a few other teams looking too add now to turn the corner or compete for a cup. Caps just have a good RHD prospect and 2 good goalie prospects. Both areas of need for the Kings.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
If the Kings want Mersch to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Brown or King.

If the Kings want Gravel to play on the Kings next year, they have to deal Scuderi or Forbort.

Lombardi and Sutter can say this and that, but the Kings have a lot of dead weight on NHL deals.

Even letting Schenn go, the Kings have 7 D with Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Scuderi and Forbort on a one way.

The only way to make over this roster is let a lot of UFA's go, give some guys from Ontario a legitimate shot and deal some NHL players.
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Scuderi can be sent to the minors and only count as like $200K against the cap. I think that is the most likely situation
 
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