Offre hostile possibilities

[Navin R Slavin]

If they match, they can't trade him for one year from the date of matching onwards.

Ah, interesting.

 

[SlavinAway]

I think Meier, Labanc, Provorov, Connor, and Laine make more sense than Aho. Point might even make more sense but I don't see why he would sign.

What about Gusev? Could be a prime target giving Vegas' current situation and the rumors that GMs were still mad about the expansion draft.

 

[Lempo]

Yep. You gotta make it extraordinarily painful for the other team, or flat out impossible to match. And you have to not mind the other team's management and fans hating everything about your franchise from the darkest depths of their souls.

Which means they're targeting Toronto.

I like your version, but the chances are it's about a boring second stringer with negligible price in the compensation in picks. When a RFA is changing teams, and the teams won't bother to do it in the form of a trade, you need to do it in the form of offre hostile to satisfy the stipulations in the CBA about the player transfer.

What would Pulju get, and what picks would Habs give for him that EDM would have rather than Pulju?

 

[Lempo]

I think most other fan bases are thinking a contract that is heavily front loaded and full of bonuses is something our cheap owner wouldn’t match even if we could easily fit the AAV under the cap.


I’m not sure they are wrong.

Damn our cursed affinity for draft picks!

 

[Canes]

Habs fans throwing shade at us over on their board. Still mad that Williams carved Koivu's eye out in 2006 I see. Bunch of f***ing losers.

 

[Lempo]

Funny btw but every guy in that 2016 WJC line of Finland can be made a case as a legitimate target.

 

[Lempo]

Habs fans throwing shade at us over on their board. Still mad that Williams carved Koivu's eye out in 2006 I see. Bunch of ****ing losers.

Took out their tiny Finn 1C?

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[HisIceness]

Habs fans throwing shade at us over on their board. Still mad that Williams carved Koivu's eye out in 2006 I see. Bunch of ****ing losers.

I still get a laugh out of how many of them still think they were some kind of lock to win the Cup that year and Koivu and his two secondary assists would have won the Conn Symthe. They would have gotten their asses handed to them by Ottawa or New Jersey eventually.

 

[cptjeff]

I still get a laugh out of how many of them still think they were some kind of lock to win the Cup that year and Koivu and his two secondary assists would have won the Conn Symthe. They would have gotten their asses handed to them by Ottawa or New Jersey eventually.

For fans, there's always that element of "what if" when you lose to the eventual champions. If just one thing had gone differently, then... Sometimes the fans are even right. In 2006, Buffalo has a really valid case to make on that front. One or two moments go a different way, and the goat head is lifting the Stanley Cup. Montreal doesn't.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I guess we'll find out. But I seriously doubt it. You don't offer sheet unless you're pretty sure it's a lock, and Dundon is on record saying that Aho is the cornerstone of the franchise.

Aho has also said he's only interested in signing in Carolina. I'd be beyond stunned if it was Aho. There's just none of the telltale signs.

 

[Lempo]

The offre hostiles at... an undisclosed team board were speculating on a frontloaded SPC that Tom Dundon wouldn't match because Tom Dundon so cheap.

The CBA rules on the yearly variability of salary is such:

50.7 Variability Rules for Multi-Year SPCs.

(a) For all "Front-Loaded SPCs" (as defined below), the difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in any immediately adjacent League Years of that SPC cannot exceed thirty-five (35) percent of the stated Player Salary and Bonuses of the first League Year of such Front-Loaded SPC. Additionally, under no circumstances may the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in any League Year of a Front-Loaded SPC be less than fifty (50) percent of the highest stated Player Salary and Bonuses in a League Year of that same Front-Loaded SPC.

(i) To determine whether an SPC is a Front-Loaded SPC:

(A) Take the total number of League Years in the SPC and divide by two (2) ("First-Half Term");

(B) Add the amounts of all stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the First-Half Term. If the SPC has an odd number of League Years, allocate to the first half of the SPC one-half of the stated Player Salary and Bonuses paid to the Player in the middle League Year of such SPC (e.g., the fourth year of a seven-year SPC) ("FirstHalf Stated Player Salary and Bonuses");

(C) Divide the First-Half Stated Player Salary and Bonuses by the First-Half Term. The resulting amount shall be the "First-Half Averaged Amount";

(D) Calculate the Averaged Amount of the SPC in a manner consistent with Section 50.5(d)(ii);

(E) If the First-Half Averaged Amount is greater than the Averaged Amount for the entire term of the SPC, such SPC is a "Front-Loaded SPC" and must comply with Section 50.7(a). Any SPC other than a Front-Loaded SPC must comply with Section 50.7(b) rather than Section 50.7(a).

(b) "The 100 Percent Rule" for Multi-Year SPCs. For any SPC that is not a FrontLoaded SPC, the difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League Years of an SPC cannot exceed the amount of the lower of the two League Years. Thereafter, in all subsequent League Years of the SPC, (i) any increase in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed the amount of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, that same amount); and (ii) any decrease in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed fifty (50) percent of the Player Salary and Bonuses of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, 50 percent of that same amount).

Maybe I should open the Excel, for sheet and giggles. (Probably I won't.)

The cap ceiling being $81.5M, the maximum Salary + Bonuses for one year is $16.3M (so 20 percent of the Upper Limit). I understand at least the League minimum of $700k needs to be paid as Salary. So the max Signing Bonus could be $15.6M.

35 percent of $16.3M is $5.705M (the allowed max difference between any adjacent years in a front-loaded contract).

Also if the first year paid the max $16.3M, any other year on that front-loaded SPC couldn't pay less in Salary + Bonuses than $8.15M (50 percent of the highest).

In that max-min scenario, the second year would have to be at least $10.595M (because of the 35 percent rule). This all together would make a $51.345M five year contract, with AAV $10.269M.

That ~$10.6M season would be 2020-21, which may be a lockout season. A player with leverage would want most of it as Signing Bonus.

 

[Vagrant]

i think there's an almost collusionesque feel to teams allowing all these guys to hit restricted free agency. the ask has to almost invariably go down once it becomes acknowledged that there are precious few teams willing to offer the assets or the contract required to really break the system. once it really sets in that you're only negotiating with your current team, you either deal with the ugly holdout situation or you take the team's best offer. it certainly favors the owners more than the benefit of one good player to maintain the illusion of team control past the rookie contract, which is why i don't think we'll see anyone get creative unless it's another gm negotiating on behalf of a friend. this particular battle means a lot for the future of the league and i think the general managers and owners will be very even handed about approaching with offer sheets.

 

[Roboturner913]

They actually think Dundon is "broke" and can't afford to pay Aho's next contract. I'm not sure if it's willful ignorance or just plain stupidity

 

[Lempo]

To call back that funny pun a year or so back,

Good that Dundo has his Whalers fixation. He can't let Seabass become a Hab and deal with all the ****ing with him that would ensue.

I say 'would', because that would be the push I need to get myself a twitter account and launch a blitz of morbid dicking about.

 

[Svechhammer]

I hope someone offer sheets Aho just so we can match and move on. The CBA doesn't allow the shenanigans that has Nashville in trouble with Weber anymore so any contract is going to be reasonable, and if it isn't we will have enough picks coming back our way to make make up for it in trades later.

But after what happened with Nylander last year, I highly doubt we will be seeing any for a long time to come.

 

[MinJaBen]

On the main board already, but thought I'd bring this over here for everyone to talk about...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think there’s a general sense because I can’t remember a time when so many top tier RFAs have been unsigned at this point in time. Maybe I just don’t recall it happening before.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

we should offer sheet everyone elses RFA just to show them how alpha we are

 

[SlavinAway]

I think there’s a general sense because I can’t remember a time when so many top tier RFAs have been unsigned at this point in time. Maybe I just don’t recall it happening before.

I don't think it has happened to this extent before but it makes sense from the perspective that they are all just waiting for the market to develop. I think once the first big RFA is signed the rest get done in quick succession.

Can't remember where I read it but saw an interesting comment that was saying they were doubting an offer sheet actually gets signed and once all of the RFAs realize there isn't other opportunities they all come down and meet their teams in the middle.

One way or another we will find out soon.

 

[DougieSmash]

oh not this again

 

[Lempo]

I don't think it has happened to this extent before but it makes sense from the perspective that they are all just waiting for the market to develop. I think once the first big RFA is signed the rest get done in quick succession.

Can't remember where I read it but saw an interesting comment that was saying they were doubting an offer sheet actually gets signed and once all of the RFAs realize there isn't other opportunities they all come down and meet their teams in the middle.

One way or another we will find out soon.

The offre hostile doesn't need to be done today. If they drag signing to late August someone with space might get tempted. Today is really the first day they technically can be offred a SPC.

 

[Roboturner913]

"a general sense" = I'm talking out of my ass with no concrete evidence of anything

 

[Joe McGrath]

I think the GMs might not want to offer sheet Aho because I really don’t think Tom Dundon is the guy you want to f*** with. He seems like the type to hold a lengthy grudge.

 

[Lempo]

There is no sense whatsoever.

 

[Canes]

I hope someone offer sheets Aho just so we can match and move on. The CBA doesn't allow the shenanigans that has Nashville in trouble with Weber anymore so any contract is going to be reasonable, and if it isn't we will have enough picks coming back our way to make make up for it in trades later.

But after what happened with Nylander last year, I highly doubt we will be seeing any for a long time to come.

I don't want an offer sheet. There's a chance a team could front load the contract to the extent we're not willing to match it. Then when we don't match, we'll have to listen to how we're suddenly the Patriots of the NHL after one good season, and how four 1sts are so0o0o much more valuable than Aho, or something like that.

But I think Dundo comes to his senses and realizes he needs to get this done. That's the hope anyway.