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[My Special Purpose]

I have very little interest in Laine.....he doesn't play the same style we do. He plays literally NO defense as well. Skating around with your stick in the air waiting for someone to pass you one on a silver platter after they did all the work is not the RBA recipe for success.

Maybe so, but he has a skill we need. Badly. Imagine how many more of those high-danger chances we're so good at creating but not converting, become goals with a guy who can shoot it like Laine?

And I think Kapanen would be amazing here on the forecheck, PK and PP. Thats some speed that RBA can use.

We've got a lot of guys like this already.

I'm not saying we *should* go get Laine. I'm just saying, we can't have a team of 12 effort forwards. At some point, a guy with some shooting skill would be nice, especially on the power play.

 

[HisIceness]

Laine likes Fortnite. You know where Epic Games (Fortnites creator) is located? About 5 miles from PNC Arena.

It is his destiny.

 

[Lempo]

My favorite offer sheet was the Flames offer sheeting ROR. Had the Avs not matched, ROR would have had to clear waivers to go to Calgary but Calgary would have still been on the hook for the compensation picks if another team made a claim. What a legendary **** up that could have been.

What, why?

edit: ah, so. He was returning from KHL, and there was a technicality.

 

[GoldiFox]

And I think Kapanen would be amazing here on the forecheck, PK and PP. Thats some speed that RBA can use.

Kapanen has never been a PP contributor. From my view he generates all his offense in transition.

Andreas Johnsson is much more of a heady PP forward. Unfortunately he's left handed.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kapanen has never been a PP contributor. From my view he generates all his offense in transition.

Andreas Johnsson is much more of a heady PP forward. Unfortunately he's left handed.

Not going to get much PP time on that roster

 

[cptjeff]

WTF is this thread? We will not sign anyone to an offer sheet. It never happens for about ten thousand different reasons. If there was any target worth going after, we would have to give up 4 years of first round picks in order to sign them to the massive overpayment required to force their team to not match. It's a nuclear option for both the player and the offering team, and the only context where a player ever signs a contract is when a team is offering well below market value, and yet even Nylander, where a nuclear bomb in the process would have been warranted, didn't resort to signing an offer sheet.

If there's an RFA you want, you trade for them and negotiate the new contract yourself as part of the process. It costs a lot less than 4 1st round picks and works out better for both teams. The system is set up to make offersheets near impossible.

Yes, Kapanen is great. Are you willing to trade Svechnikov, Necas, Bean, and Hanifin for him? Get f***ing real.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Laine likes Fortnite. You know where Epic Games (Fortnites creator) is located? About 5 miles from PNC Arena.

It is his destiny.

They're going to have to make trios permanent then, since Seabass and Turbo are already locked in for duos.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

WTF is this thread? We will not sign anyone to an offer sheet. It never happens for about ten thousand different reasons. If there was any target worth going after, we would have to give up 4 years of first round picks in order to sign them to the massive overpayment required to force their team to not match. It's a nuclear option for both the player and the offering team, and the only context where a player ever signs a contract is when a team is offering well below market value, and yet even Nylander, where a nuclear bomb in the process would have been warranted, didn't resort to signing an offer sheet.

If there's an RFA you want, you trade for them and negotiate the new contract yourself as part of the process. It costs a lot less than 4 1st round picks and works out better for both teams. The system is set up to make offersheets near impossible.

Yes, Kapanen is great. Are you willing to trade Svechnikov, Necas, Bean, and Hanifin for him? Get ****ing real.

Offer sheet picks are aligned with AAV of the proposed deal.

A five million dollar AAV deal would cost a first and a third, not four firsts.

Awfully strident in tone for not having any idea how offer sheets actually work.

 

[Lempo]

Offer sheet picks are aligned with AAV of the proposed deal.

A five million dollar AAV deal would cost a first and a third, not four firsts.

Awfully strident in tone for not having any idea how offer sheets actually work.

... unless it's 7 years x 5M, in which case the value of 35M gets divided by 5 and it's 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Because for the compensation purposes, the full value of the contract gets divided by lesser of the years in the contract or 5.


All this is NHL's devious plan to keep fools busy so the fools won't bother their running a business.

 

[MinJaBen]

Yes, Kapanen is great. Are you willing to trade Svechnikov, Necas, Bean, and Hanifin for him? Get ****ing real.

What are you talking about? Your points make some sense for guys like Laine and Marner who are going to command elite salaries, but not for Kapanen. He’d be an ideal target for three reasons: he is worth about $4M, an offer sheet for that is only a second, and the Leafs may not be able to pay him what he’s worth due to their cap space and other needs. No way he is going to require losing guys like you listed.

 

[Lempo]

 

[Lempo]

What are you talking about? Your points make some sense for guys like Laine and Marner who are going to command elite salaries, but not for Kapanen. He’d be an ideal target for three reasons: he is worth about $4M, an offer sheet for that is only a second, and the Leafs may not be able to pay him what he’s worth due to their cap space and other needs. No way he is going to require losing guys like you listed.

Counterpoint: we draft kind of good on the 2nd round.

 

[MinJaBen]

Counterpoint: we draft kind of good on the 2nd round.

Counter-counter point: we still likely have the Rangers 2nd to work our magic, and it is likely earlier than ours next year.

 

[Lempo]

Counter-counter point: we still likely have the Rangers 2nd to work our magic, and it is likely earlier than ours next year.

Counter-counter-counter point: Have we not suffered enough damage for counting on Adam Fox!?

 

[MinJaBen]

Counter-counter-counter point: Have we not suffered enough damage for counting on Adam Fox!?

I’m 99.9% certain it will be a second round pick.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I'm bullish on AJ and Kap. AJ had a fluke year to end all fluke years, and 8 months ago Kapanen was trending toward an AHL tweener. He scored a bunch of his points in the first dozen or so games when Matthews started the year at 2ppg pace, and he kinda is a one trick pony in the Eeik Cole/Nichushkin mold.

 

[DaveG]

My favorite offer sheet was the Flames offer sheeting ROR. Had the Avs not matched, ROR would have had to clear waivers to go to Calgary but Calgary would have still been on the hook for the compensation picks if another team made a claim. What a legendary **** up that could have been.

To make things better I'm pretty sure Colorado was last in the league at that time too. So they could have gotten the picks AND kept ROR by claim piority when her would have had to hit waivers to come over.

I'm bullish on AJ and Kap. AJ had a fluke year to end all fluke years, and 8 months ago Kapanen was trending toward an AHL tweener. He scored a bunch of his points in the first dozen or so games when Matthews started the year at 2ppg pace, and he kinda is a one trick pony in the Eeik Cole/Nichushkin mold.

Don't you mean bearish? Bullish would imply you think they're going to not just match last years totals but exceed them by about 10+ points each next year.

 

[My Special Purpose]

What are you talking about? Your points make some sense for guys like Laine and Marner who are going to command elite salaries, but not for Kapanen. He’d be an ideal target for three reasons: he is worth about $4M, an offer sheet for that is only a second, and the Leafs may not be able to pay him what he’s worth due to their cap space and other needs. No way he is going to require losing guys like you listed.

Solution: Offer Kapanen $10,568,590.

 

[MinJaBen]

Solution: Offer Kapanen $10,568,590.

Over how many years?

 

[raynman]

Over how many years?

FOR-EV-ER

 

[My Special Purpose]

I'm bullish on AJ and Kap. AJ had a fluke year to end all fluke years, and 8 months ago Kapanen was trending toward an AHL tweener. He scored a bunch of his points in the first dozen or so games when Matthews started the year at 2ppg pace, and he kinda is a one trick pony in the Eeik Cole/Nichushkin mold.

I don't like devaluing players on other teams. These are two good players, who can both help us. I mean, when the Blues were in last place and reports came out that some of their players could be available, we started trashing Vladimir Tarasenko. There are fantastic players around the league, and if we want to trade for them, we're going to have to give up value. Running down potential trade targets helps nobody.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Over how many years?

 

[MinJaBen]

FOR-EV-ER

Seems like a bit of an overpayment...

 

[Lempo]

Solution: Offer Kapanen $10,568,590.

You'd have to be on solution alright to offer $10,568,590 to Kapanen.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Kapanen has never been a PP contributor. From my view he generates all his offense in transition.

Andreas Johnsson is much more of a heady PP forward. Unfortunately he's left handed.

The question isn't what are these guys doing now. The question is what will they develop into. Is Kapanen a young Phil Kessel? Or a young Pavel Brendl? And secondly, is this what we need for our team? IMO, we have guys like Kapanen and Johnsson. If I were GM, I'd be leveraging the Leafs situation to get Kadri, who is a player I feel would immediately make us a threat. I can see many paths to prying Johnsson and/or Kapanen out of Toronto, but how much do either of those guys move the needle for us?

Also, we're totally fixated on Toronto, when other teams have similar issues with even *better* players. I really like the idea of going after Laine after a down/injury season and Winnipeg is in a very similar situation.