OFFICIALLY ROBBED. Literally and figuratively. OMG?

[CharasLazyWrister]

It's kind of condescending telling other fans to get over it. How about you get over others experiencing this loss in their own way. You can easily just not read this thread.

So what you’re saying is you “get over” losses by distracting yourself with the notion that refereeing is actually what lost your team the series.

You couldn’t come up with a bigger loser’s mentality if you tried.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You don't think the League would carry a suspension over to next season? They have in the past.

They wouldn't carry it over to the next playoff, no.

 

[pcruz]

If you feel that way, why bother watching?


How about your star players score more than 3 goals in a series. As much flack as the Oilers get here at least Draisaitl and McDavid carried that team. Same can't be said for Matthews and company

They were also responsible for tens of goals against.

All in all, at best they were a wash.

 

[BraveCanadian]

The big problem with this whole reasoning is that this team should never have been in position that a single call would wipe out their season. That is on them.

 

[GreytWun]

It's no wonder everyone makes fun of Leaf fans. This happened days ago, stop making excuses we lost.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The big problem with this whole reasoning is that this team should never have been in position that a single call would wipe out their season. That is on them.

Pretty much. Score two goals every game and you're losing at least 99 out of 100 series.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Yea, sure, keep believing there is some league wide conspiracy to make you cope better with the loss. Every fanbase thinks there is a conspiracy against them. How many Florida Panthers fans think reffing is biased in favour of Toronto and Boston (original 6 franchises)? You can make up any conspiracy for or against any team in this league.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy though? Half of NHL officials likely grew up Leafs fans and don't want to appear biased (that goes for the war room too BTW being based in Toronto) and the other half likely grew up hating the Leafs. What other reason can you provide showing why these season breaking calls go against the Leafs over and over going back 30 years?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

No one is arguing puck was in net .. da issue was simple .. da ref said he blew his whistle and stopped play before puck crossed line .. it was not even a situation room call .. I am still not sure how they can make da determination but they did

Problem is, you can watch it over and over and NOT see or hear the ref blow the whistle and for a guy that apparently deemed the play dead, he seems awfully interested in skating to the net, putting both hands on it and looking down watching it go in. Their reasoning makes no sense. They were scared to call it a goal plain and simple.

They weren't robbed, don't allow yourself to go down 3-0 in a series.

Simple as that.

This is true too.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's not like the Leafs didn't have any PP against Florida. They have 11 PP to Florida's 8. They only scored 3 goals. Not good enough.

a) Why are you here? Enjoying this?
b) Boston had 23 powerplays against Florida (who was the most penalized team in the league in the regular season).

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's no wonder everyone makes fun of Leaf fans. This happened days ago, stop making excuses we lost.

I wasn't angry at first and blamed only the team. Now that I've had a few days to digest it and watch the many replays, I'm f***ing furious. It shouldn't have ended like that. The called back goal, Staal's uncalled elbow, Gudas holding the stick followed up with the most classless thing I've ever watched in the NHL (Gudas sticking it in Woll's face after his cheating winner), are just too much, sorry.

 

[saffronleaf]

This happened days ago. Let it go, it’s over.

i need a week at least. still coping and seething.

 

[The Apologist]

Yea, sure, keep believing there is some league wide conspiracy to make you cope better with the loss. Every fanbase thinks there is a conspiracy against them. How many Florida Panthers fans think reffing is biased in favour of Toronto and Boston (original 6 franchises)? You can make up any conspiracy for or against any team in this league.

2023 Regular Season - Florida Panthers 2nd most pims in league.

1st round 121PIMS in 7 games or 17+ PIMs per game

2nd round 46PIMs in 5 games or 9 PIMs per game. And 22 of those PIMs were at the end of game four. That means other than that, they averages 4.5 PIMs per game.

Crazy how much more disciplined they were eh?

As for people bitching about our PP. It was 3 for 8 or 38%. That would be 4th best in the playoffs. Their PP was fine. If anything, going 5 for 24 in round one was much worse.

How anyone can pretend that the reffing was not an issue in that series is beyond comprehension.

 

[WillyC]

I wasn't angry at first and blamed only the team. Now that I've had a few days to digest it and watch the many replays, I'm f***ing furious. It shouldn't have ended like that. The called back goal, Staal's uncalled elbow, Gudas holding the stick followed up with the most classless thing I've ever watched in the NHL (Gudas sticking it in Woll's face after his cheating winner), are just too much, sorry.

I’m with you on this… I hope Florida and the referees cheat Carolina and the the SC final too.

Expose this… Gudas and Bennet are not the pillars of Champions, winning the way they beat us.

The more you watch that overtime goal… it’s just like, how does it get to this?

 

[The Apologist]

I wasn't angry at first and blamed only the team. Now that I've had a few days to digest it and watch the many replays, I'm f***ing furious. It shouldn't have ended like that. The called back goal, Staal's uncalled elbow, Gudas holding the stick followed up with the most classless thing I've ever watched in the NHL (Gudas sticking it in Woll's face after his cheating winner), are just too much, sorry.

Don't forget Knies, the cross-check on Bunting, The cheap shot on Kampf.
The series was an absolute shit show. One of the worst displays of officiating I've ever seen.

 

[BLONG7]

The big problem with this whole reasoning is that this team should never have been in position that a single call would wipe out their season. That is on them.

No need for any common sense.................
Games 1-2-3 is when the series was lost.

 

[robertmac43]

The non-call is not the reason we lose this series, I don't want to make excuses for the team. They went down 3-0 and didn't capitalize on their opportunities.

That being said, Järnkrok blocks that shot if he can use his stick properly. Sucks.

 

[bodechek]

We can b!tch about the officiating all we want.The rules magically change when it goes against the Leafs. One of the major problems was there was no push back from the team. Nobody played with any firey intensity to match the Panther players and until that happens, expect another disappointing season. This core needs to be changed, some real leadership and intensity has to be brought in to inspire the rest of the team

 

[authentic]

One thing I haven't seen other people mention is not only did Gudas hold Jamkrok's stick, he then pushed him back with it preventing him from being able to block the shot.

Should've been 4 minutes

 

[Squiffy]

For gods sake let it die, the thread that is, the OP just had a legit share to share, enough piling on. Yes, it’s not why they lost, legit too.

 

[authentic]

Well said. Stop putting yourself in a position where a bad/missed call kills you.
This call didn’t put us down 3-1 in a series, this call call didn’t score 1 goal in 5 games (33 million in salary), this call didn’t lose the game. We still tied it and lost in OT.

I agree, but lost in OT on a goal that also shouldn't have happened

But what can you do but prepare for and play better next year

 

[Mr_Fun]

Except Rielly’s goal was not in. How many times it has been said that they can’t assume it’s in, they need 100% conclusive evidence. I haven’t seen 100% conclusive evidence that it was fully over the line. It probably was, but they can’t just say that. It wasn’t that controversial

The puck being across the line is kind of a nonsequitor. The referee intended to blow the play dead. I don't agree with that decision, but that was his intent.

As far as the puck being over the line? I'm about 50/50 on that one. The replay just isn't 100% certain, much like that high stick I'm the EDM/LA series.

 

[authentic]

1993, not one Canadian team has won...Bettman became President, Vegas can get close to win, Seattle maybe. Chicago tanks and wins draft. American money at its best.
This is not a prediction, this is history.

Edmonton won the draft more than any team in recent memory.

 

[Budz]

I would like to congratulate Jerry Buttman and the NHL for reaching it’s desired wet dream final 4.

Florida
Carolina
Dallas
Vegas

Not single f***ing winter coat owned in any of these cities.

Surely, just weird coincidence. Arizona, your turn is coming soon. Bank on it.

 

[Jocko Gummo]

I do think there is something going on here. It's not the just the Leafs either — it's all Canadian teams. Between 1994 and 2023, there have been 90 Canadian teams in the playoffs. Their winning percentage in the first round is 44.4%, second round is 35%, third round is 35.7%, and finals is 0%.

The first round is well below the 50% average, but not so low to be too suspicious. It's those 2nd, 3rd, and finals stats that jump out to me.

Between 1994 and 2023 there have been 59 series where a Canadian team has played in the 2nd or 3rd round or in the finals. In those series the winning percentage for the Canadian team was 32.2%.

Let that sink in. If you're a fan of a Canadian team that has made it to the 2nd round or later at any point in the last 30 years, the odds of your team winning that series are less than 1 in 3. Those 59 series are a big enough sample size that the results can't be this skewed by chance. Go flip a coin 59 times and see how long it takes you before you get 19 on one side and 40 on the other.

I'm sure that many of the losses over those 59 series resulted in fan bases complaining about reffing, disallowed goals, questionable plays, suspensions that did or didn't happen, and 50/50 calls that didn't go their way. And I bet that each time a bunch of other people told them to stop whining and get over it.

If you're a fan of a Canadian team, go ahead and complain loudly when your team loses in the playoffs. There are 30 years of receipts to show that the league prefers it when the Canadian team loses.

Of course none of these stats excuse the performances of either the Leafs or Oilers in the 2nd round this year. Did both of those teams play bad enough to lose their respective series fair and square? Definitely. But has the ice been tilted against Canadian teams in the playoffs during the Bettman era? Almost certainly.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Yes so if he deemed the play "over" than why were they reviewing the play, and why yesterday did the league feel it was necessary to state that the up official had blown the play dead, and offer no explanation of what he saw that prompted him to do so.

Essentially the league laid 4 different stories atop one another in order to create no plausible explanations in hopes it causes to much thinking, and the one things fans don't want to do is think.

Exactly! EVERY other time something similar happens, it's a short discussion and the puck is dropped. What was all this delay for? It shouldn't take 7 minutes to conclude that a ref intended on blowing the whistle. FTR, I don't think the league is rigged (simply because too many people would be in on it, different discussion, though), but that entire episode made zero sense, or so it seems.