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ToneDog said:
Coach called them soft last year, now this. Guess the posters who call this team soft were right.
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Mind posting the quote where he called them soft? Also always funny to see people going from "Keefe doesn't know what he is doing" to "Keefe knows what he is talking about"
 
DarkKnight said:
Boosh was so awful, we sat out Holl and Lil instead of him against the defending champs everyone loves to say we out played. Dubas would have loved him back, as he said, he simply played too well for us to afford him. Handled the puck like a grenade and wasn’t 1st line material every shift, but man that guy won 90 percent of the board battles and cleared that net routinely. Every team needs a Boosh, to continually slag him, I see it as confirmation people are clueless understanding the game. It takes all kinds and unlike the keyboard warriors, the former players who covered the Leafs were universal in appreciating his game, warts and all.

Back to you….
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the Sabres agree.
 
zeke said:
the Sabres agree.
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You’re funny, the GM and coach you love both saw value in the guy, so much so he actually played every game against a team you routinely say we should have beat. Bite your tail, you hated him before he took a shift. Anyways, I’ll trust the guys who played, not some guy on excel who can’t skate. Cheers.
 
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And here’s how you know you’re not in a rational debate. The people who “liked” Boosh routinely acknowledged his flaws, nobody was pegging him as Norris calibre. Now look at his detractors, never acknowledged anything, even a playoff game where he had 10 hits and TB forwards were literally avoiding going into a corner with him. How is that worth a discussion?

Anyways, kind of boring to be so black and white.
 
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DarkKnight said:
You’re funny, the GM and coach you love both saw value in the guy, so much so he actually played every game against a team you routinely say we should have beat. Bite your tail, you hated him before he took a shift. Anyways, I’ll trust the guys who played, not some guy on excel who can’t skate. Cheers.
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And I criticized them for their stupidity every step of the way.
 
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This is the ice time Boosh had in the 7 playoff games. And the 3 games where he played the most minutes, the Leafs lost 2 of them.

Boosh obviously was an indispensable part of the team playing those sheltered #6 minutes.
 
DarkKnight said:
And here’s how you know you’re not in a rational debate. The people who “liked” Boosh routinely acknowledged his flaws, nobody was pegging him as Norris calibre. Now look at his detractors, never acknowledged anything, even a playoff game where he had 10 hits and TB forwards were literally avoiding going into a corner with him. How is that worth a discussion?

Anyways, kind of boring to be so black and white.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Your point earlier about him being in the lineup over Holl and Liljegren at separate points of the series against Tampa also says a lot.

Then we get outed in the playoffs by teams with big physical D like Montreal and Columbus (who are significantly less talented than us).

Yes, moving the puck and exiting the zone are key parts of playing defense too. However - to completely deny the aspects that guys like Boosh bring is completely ignorant. Gotta wonder why Tampa and Colorado happily brought in guys like Bogosian and Manson.
 
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Not something you typically see from the Leafs coach.
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Oh I've read about it from Leafs' coaches many times. Sometimes in the best of times (Imlach), sometimes in the worst of times (Horachek).
 
IPS said:
And game 3 he had a great assist and a huge hit that led to the puck going the other way and the Leafs scoring.

Include all of it.

Gotta wonder why he was in over Holl and Liljegren.
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I did include all of it.

He played #6 minutes because he could not be trusted. The ice time and deployment say so.
 
Boosh was like a label. Keefe's placement of him on the depth chart was like a sign saying "We've got to be way more physical ... You've got to be f***ing physical". I don't think Keefe cares whether he actually liked Boosh or not. It's pretty much all he had outside of Muzzin for what he wanted on his backend / around the net.
 
kb said:
I did include all of it.

He played #6 minutes because he could not be trusted. The ice time and deployment say so.
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So just because he played #6 minutes that immediately means he "can't be trusted"?

Someone has to play the #6 minutes. And even despite "not being trusted" he was still played over both Lilijegren and Holl? I don't think coaching shared your opinion.
 
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IPS said:
And game 3 he had a great assist and a huge hit that led to the puck going the other way and the Leafs scoring.

Include all of it.
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IPS said:
So just because he played #6 minutes that immediately means he "can't be trusted"?

Someone has to play the #6 minutes. And even despite "not being trusted" he was still played over both Lilijegren and Holl? I don't think coaching shared your opinion.
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His minutes were limited because Keefe would sit him a shift or two with Reilly, because he clearly wasn’t a top pairing D man. They knew his limitations, but obviously appreciated his skill set, that’s why he never sat. Its weird too, these guys will be the first to praise a 8 minute fourth line forward, but a 6 D is beyond useless to a team. Doesn’t even make any sense, but why start now I suppose.
 
I'm biased towards Boosh because I went to the Panthers game where he dominated them on the boards to the point they hesitated when the puck was on his side of the ice. Not even exaggerating using the word dominated.
 
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IPS said:
So just because he played #6 minutes that immediately means he "can't be trusted"?

Someone has to play the #6 minutes. And even despite "not being trusted" he was still played over both Lilijegren and Holl? I don't think coaching shared your opinion.
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His partner was Rielly. Who is not the #5 D-man.

If he was trusted, he would have played nearly as much as Rielly. Or Muzzin. Or Brodie. Or Holl. Or Giordano.

This isn't rocket science, yet................
 
ACC1224 said:
Lybushkin was a beauty that will obviously be missed but I don’t believe he will be attending this camp.
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When Daddy Keefe starts dropping F bombs in practice about physicality can't help but pay tribute to our short lived crease clearer.
 
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Lybushkin, Polak, Yuskevich. These hard-nosed guys who punish and take punishment seem to be chronically underappreciated. I love these guys. Burns' teams at its pinnacle had 3 of these guys on defense: Macoun, Lefebvre and Rouse.
 
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DarkKnight said:
His minutes were limited because Keefe would sit him a shift or two with Reilly, because he clearly wasn’t a top pairing D man. They knew his limitations, but obviously appreciated his skill set, that’s why he never sat. Its weird too, these guys will be the first to praise a 8 minute fourth line forward, but a 6 D is beyond useless to a team. Doesn’t even make any sense, but why start now I suppose.
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Another one of those easily replaceable players like Hyman, Mik, Brown, Kappy, Soup, AJ etc.
 
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kb said:
His partner was Rielly. Who is not the #5 D-man.

If he was trusted, he would have played nearly as much as Rielly. Or Muzzin. Or Brodie. Or Holl. Or Giordano.

This isn't rocket science, yet................
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Then how come Holl didn't come in and take that spot beside Rielly to start the playoffs if he's so much more trusted?
 
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justashadowof said:
Lybushkin, Polak, Yuskevich. These hard-nosed guys who punish and take punishment seem to be chronically underappreciated. I love these guys. Burns' teams at its pinnacle had 3 of these guys on defense: Macoun, Lefebvre and Rouse.
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There’s a reason Polak played 806 games and Lou was able to get a second round pick two times for him. Flawed but not without value.

To be fair Yuskevich might be a tier above, what an absolute stud defensive d man, still sticks out. Literally never failed.
 
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IPS said:
Then how come Holl didn't come in and take that spot beside Rielly to start the playoffs if he's so much more trusted?
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He was so untrusted, the coach puts him on the top pair and sits two other guys ahead of him, both of which have been with the organization forever. Yep, untrusted.
 
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