GDT: Official Trade Deadline Thread Part XXX2

[apoptygma]

From today until the draft Gorts main mission is to get a gauge on what Kreider is looking for in his next contract. If they are to far apart Gorton should start the owrk of moving him for macimum assets ASAP. He should be at his most valuable at this years draft.
We need a top 10 pick or a A+ prospect for him.

 

[Tawnos]

If someone challenges Smith for a spot... he goes back to Hartford.

Done and done.

No buy outs! We don’t need them and they hurt us when we will need the space. Makes no sense

Have him go back to Hartford to take time from a developing young D there? No thanks. That’s almost worse than keeping him with the Rangers.

The buy out is like $1m for two extra years, both of which come after Staal and Shattenkirk are gone. In the two years between now and then, it’s about $2m in net savings ($3m savings from the buyout, $1m for his replacement). We aren’t going to be in a position where $1m in dead cap is going to negatively impact us in 3 years.

 

[Tawnos]

I agree to an extent, however with Smith taking on the new Strudwick role and actually not looking horrible at wing, I'd be okay keeping him around as a depth guy. His teammates seem to love him and he provides depth at both forward and defense if needed. I'd be more inclined to approach Staal for a trade at half his cap hit and same with Shattenkirk and then just hold on to Smith

Players love Staal too, and he comes with being the example of professionalism we want our young players to strive for.

 

[Kovalev27]

Look next year you’ve got

Staal DeAngelo
Skjei Pionk (yuck)
Smith Shattenkirk
Then probably Claesson as your 7th

No rookies have earned any shot at the big club. Hajek Lindgren both could use another year. The wildcard will be Rykov. Does he push. He may make the team just so he doesn’t leave for Russia and maybe you see Freddie gone at that point or not brought back because of it but there’s absolutely no reason to buy out Smith who is a serviceable stop gap guy that can play both sides.

 

[ThirdEye]

Problem is the teams picking in the top 10 are also at some stage of rebuilding and probably won't be dangling a top 10 pick.

If someone offers substantial assets I think you have to do it though. I love Kreider, but even at his best he's a 2nd line forward, all things considered. I can't see him improving more than he already has at this point

 

[ThirdEye]

Look next year you’ve got

Staal DeAngelo
Skjei Pionk (yuck)
Smith Shattenkirk
Then probably Claesson as your 7th

No rookies have earned any shot at the big club. Hajek Lindgren both could use another year. The wildcard will be Rykov. Does he push. He may make the team just so he doesn’t leave for Russia and maybe you see Freddie gone at that point or not brought back because of it but there’s absolutely no reason to buy out Smith who is a serviceable stop gap guy that can play both sides.

I think Lindgren makes the team out of camp .... He's been one of the only few bright spots on that Pack team

 

[LORDE]

Have him go back to Hartford to take time from a developing young D there? No thanks. That’s almost worse than keeping him with the Rangers.

The buy out is like $1m for two extra years, both of which come after Staal and Shattenkirk are gone. In the two years between now and then, it’s about $2m in net savings ($3m savings from the buyout, $1m for his replacement). We aren’t going to be in a position where $1m in dead cap is going to negatively impact us in 3 years.

Are there like 2 kids in Hartford who have any shot of being on the NYR?

I just don’t see the need when we aren’t competing until his, and Staals and Kirks and even Hanks contracts are gone.

We don’t need the $

 

[Tawnos]

Are there like 2 kids in Hartford who have any shot of being on the NYR?

I just don’t see the need when we aren’t competing until his, and Staals and Kirks and even Hanks contracts are gone.

We don’t need the $

Hopefully, there are going to be at least 3 LD on ELCs in the organization next season who have a good chance... possibly 4 and that doesn't even include outside possibilities like Day and Crawley.

 

[NYR Viper]

Players love Staal too, and he comes with being the example of professionalism we want our young players to strive for.

I just don't see Smith having value at half his cap hit

 

[Tawnos]

I just don't see Smith having value at half his cap hit

Which is why I'm saying him buy him out.

 

[SA16]

I think Smith has value at his full cap hit. His reputation is wrong. Not a lot of value. But value. Erik Grudbrandson, a significantly worse player with a 4M/year deal for 3 more years just got dealt for a decent forward in Pearson. I cannot buy the fact that Gudbrandson's value is till as a "former num 3 overall pick" 9 years later after someone like Yakupov's value tanked real fast and the same is seemingly happening to Puljujarvi. Gudbrandson is a disaster.

Buying out Smith is an incredibly bad idea unless the team is going after multiple FA like Karlsson/Panarin and needs the cap space now. Even if you think Smith is a bad player (which I don't) it's still a bad idea and they'd be better off just healthy scratching him every game than buying him out.

 

[Ori]

Look next year you’ve got

Staal DeAngelo
Skjei Pionk (yuck)
Smith Shattenkirk
Then probably Claesson as your 7th

No rookies have earned any shot at the big club. Hajek Lindgren both could use another year. The wildcard will be Rykov. Does he push. He may make the team just so he doesn’t leave for Russia and maybe you see Freddie gone at that point or not brought back because of it but there’s absolutely no reason to buy out Smith who is a serviceable stop gap guy that can play both sides.

I dislike our blueline - it must be one of the worst in NHL out of 30 teams, Pionk need to go somewhere for his 21 pts. he must be worth something.
Kevin can be moved, Staal is Staal cant do much unless he want to sign elsewhere.

We need more size on that blueline which is why I understand Larry Brooks who was concerned after that loss vs. Capitals - we get crushed near the boards! And brief we need a Hedman type of player on our blueline with size, and it helps if he is good defensive with a great shot!

 

[LORDE]

Hopefully, there are going to be at least 3 LD on ELCs in the organization next season who have a good chance... possibly 4 and that doesn't even include outside possibilities like Day and Crawley.

I don’t see Day having done anything to believe he’ll be there... Crawley know very little about.

Still don’t see the need to put more empty dollars in NY because of it

 

[Ola]

I saw Dale Tallon being interviewed by Mike Goldstein on the Panthers broadcast last night. 1st intermission. Florida is going to be very aggressive this summer.



Package deal for Panarin and Bob.

Reminds me of the Dallas situation when they went after Suter and Parise, even had an ex-GM go on a radio show telling that he just spoke with GM/owner and they are going to offer the max deal or whatever for these guys, circumventing the tampering rules (I do think that kind of came close, Bettman looked into it).

You got to imagine that Columbus also will be throwing money around this summer, to keep their guys and replace who they can. Colorado?

What is interesting is what Florida will do if they -- do not -- get Panarin and Bobo? They must dip into trying to trade for someone. I wouldn't mind being opposite them in that negotiation given the mindset they have.

 

[JHS]

I mean as opposed to what? Do you think this team ever had a prayer of winning a stanley cup? Because I sure as hell am not deluded like that. This team lost its window and a full rebuild is at hand. I would say they haven't even gone far enough because as long as Henrik is here we won't be able to properly tank. That being said if you are content with just making the playoffs then you have a point. But I'm not. I want to win a Stanley Cup and we were never gonna do it with that group.

My point has been so many things now have to go right for us to win a cup that I just don't believe it will. Even if Miller develops into something great, will he be better than McD who was chosen Ranger captain??? Even if Kravstov develops into a top line forward, will he be that much better than Rick Nash who scored 42 goals in the cup finals season? If Howden develops into an amazing 2 way center, will he really be better than Stepan who had 55 points that season? Will Chytil develop into something better than Zucc was that year? Will Lias develop into something better than Hagelin who was an incredible two way player? Maybe all of these players do develop into something and maybe Mica and Krieder are amazing for years to comer-- but we can't kid ourselves and believe all these things are a guarantee. I really feel like people are just assuming rebuilds lead to stanley cup runs. That's just not true!

For every Toronto and Winnipeg, there is a Buffalo and Ottawa. For every Pittsburgh there is an Edmonton( both had high picks for many years--one drafted and developed well the other has not.) If anyone thinks and continues to like people's posts that just spew this rebuild as a guaranteed path to the Stanley Cup, please deal in reality!

 

[Tawnos]

I don’t see Day having done anything to believe he’ll be there... Crawley know very little about.

Still don’t see the need to put more empty dollars in NY because of it

Like I said, those are the outside possibilities. Hajek and Lindgren are already in Hartford. Rykov will be here next year. Reunanen might be here next year. All 4 of those guys have better shots at the NHL than Crawley and Day. The Rangers could also sign a UDFA that has potential.

I don't care even one bit about the money. The cap isn't the concern right now. This is all about roster construction and creating a situation where the oxygen is available for the best rookie to breathe.

 

[LORDE]

Like I said, those are the outside possibilities. Hajek and Lindgren are already in Hartford. Rykov will be here next year. Reunanen might be here next year. All 4 of those guys have better shots at the NHL than Crawley and Day. The Rangers could also sign a UDFA that has potential.

I don't care even one bit about the money. The cap isn't the concern right now. This is all about roster construction and creating a situation where the oxygen is available for the best rookie to breathe.

It should also be about the cap in 3 years. Gorton doesn’t seem the type to not be thinking 6-12 moves down the line.

We will see. I am all for giving the kids whatever they need to develop I just don’t see Smith stopping that right now. If that changes I’ll gladly adjust my stance

 

[charliemurphy]

Soooo... with the cap space, what FAs do folks think they'll go after?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Soooo... with the cap space, what FAs do folks think they'll go after?

Short-term deals on players that can moved at the deadline next year.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Soooo... with the cap space, what FAs do folks think they'll go after?

Hopefully no high-end ones. Next year we really need to bottom out. We can start looking at the FA pools after that IMO.

Preserve the cap space. Maybe take on a contract or two in a trade for assets at the draft.

 

[Trxjw]

Short-term deals on players that can moved at the deadline next year.

Hopefully this. A Bickell-esque trade would be a nice use of cap as well.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Very happy with the deadline from the Islanders. That team is pretty old. They signed a lot of those assets to sell them, but now they basically can't because they're in a 'competing' position. I still think this year is an anomaly and I think with Lou not buying, it speaks to his lack of conviction in this squad.

The great part about it is, because they didn't suck this year, they couldn't sell any of their UFA's. They have a lot of expiring contracts next year that they could have flooded the market with but chose not to.

So basically, they're going to be one year older next year, with a lot more cap space dedicated to the same players as this year, or losing some of them for free.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

My point has been so many things now have to go right for us to win a cup that I just don't believe it will. Even if Miller develops into something great, will he be better than McD who was chosen Ranger captain??? Even if Kravstov develops into a top line forward, will he be that much better than Rick Nash who scored 42 goals in the cup finals season? If Howden develops into an amazing 2 way center, will he really be better than Stepan who had 55 points that season? Will Chytil develop into something better than Zucc was that year? Will Lias develop into something better than Hagelin who was an incredible two way player? Maybe all of these players do develop into something and maybe Mica and Krieder are amazing for years to comer-- but we can't kid ourselves and believe all these things are a guarantee. I really feel like people are just assuming rebuilds lead to stanley cup runs. That's just not true!

For every Toronto and Winnipeg, there is a Buffalo and Ottawa. For every Pittsburgh there is an Edmonton( both had high picks for many years--one drafted and developed well the other has not.) If anyone thinks and continues to like people's posts that just spew this rebuild as a guaranteed path to the Stanley Cup, please deal in reality!

Yeah, what’s your plan, champ? Sign Panarin?

 

[NYR Viper]

Soooo... with the cap space, what FAs do folks think they'll go after?

If I were Gorton and I could trade Shattenkirk:
Stralman - 2 years @ $3.5m per season

I'd look to overpay Boyle on a 1 year deal:
Boyle - 1 year @ $3.5m

I'd look to trade Fast:
Hagelin - 1 year @ $2m

Colin Wilson is a guy I could see them taking a flyer on. Former BU guy so I would imagine he knows Quinn. 18 points in 46 games this year. He's a big body.
1 year @ $2.5m

Those are the types of guys I'd go after

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I'm pretty sure their counting on these Bergman and/or Raddysh kids to be in the NHL at some point.