Official Tank Thread

Sorinth

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You ignored the rest of my post to whine about one statement within it. I’m happy to drop the topic if I don’t see variations of “be patient and be quiet” constantly posted in response to genuine attempts to evaluate the tank and talk hockey.

Until that happens it seems inappropriate to have some fans constantly and non-stop posture like they’re superior to other fans. I’m not saying you can’t act superior, it’s a common enough tendency, I’m simply saying I’ll defend my opinion regardless.

Let’s stick to hockey. Boy that Newhook, what a great player he turned out to be.
We are the 2nd youngest team in the league, and we are likely to be even younger next year, so the difference is being patient is a genuine evaluation of what should be done in our rebuild and therefore is hockey talk.
 

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We are the 2nd youngest team in the league, and we are likely to be even younger next year, so the difference is being patient is a genuine evaluation of what should be done in our rebuild and therefore is hockey talk.
Age doesn't play hockey, hockey players play hockey. Potential doesn’t play hockey, hockey players play hockey.

Personally, I prefer good hockey players, as a set or group, over young hockey players.

Your regressive and reductive attitude would have you praising a team with hopeless 21 year old AHLers over a team with a higher average age and more skilled and productive players simply because the former group is younger and thus has more time to develop (and therefore needs more patience).

This is why the “hush, be patient” attitude is a dead end.

Waiting for a lumbering truck to cross a finish line at the Grand Prix won’t ever mean it has won the race. Do we have a car that can win the actual race? Do we have the right team, the right managers, the right components? Patience is not the main factor in these evaluations.

Even tanking can be evaluated and re-evaluated. We’ve already discussed Dach and Newhook plenty but the other issue is MSL and Hughes’ insistence upon giving him (an inexperienced coach) full reign.

There are loads of aspects to this hockey team to evaluate and discuss on a hockey forum.
 

Lafleurs Guy

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Age doesn't play hockey, hockey players play hockey. Potential doesn’t play hockey, hockey players play hockey.

Personally, I prefer good hockey players, as a set or group, over young hockey players.

Your regressive and reductive attitude would have you praising a team with hopeless 21 year old AHLers over a team with a higher average age and more skilled and productive players simply because the former group is younger and thus has more time to develop (and therefore needs more patience).

This is why the “hush, be patient” attitude is a dead end.

Waiting for a lumbering truck to cross a finish line at the Grand Prix won’t ever mean it has won the race. Do we have a car that can win the actual race? Do we have the right team, the right managers, the right components? Patience is not the main factor in these evaluations.

Even tanking can be evaluated and re-evaluated. We’ve already discussed Dach and Newhook plenty but the other issue is MSL and Hughes’ insistence upon giving him (an inexperienced coach) full reign.

There are loads of aspects to this hockey team to evaluate and discuss on a hockey forum.
Right.

Because the only thing that matters is THIS season.
 

River Meadow

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I love how after every meaningless win against another bottom feeder the tank is over and this thread shouldn't exist anymore... then they start losing again because guess what, they suck.

Feels like Groundhog Day.

See now THIS ^^ is the quality content I signed up for on this site.

May god bless you dude.
 

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I love how after every meaningless win against another bottom feeder the tank is over and this thread shouldn't exist anymore... then they start losing again because guess what, they suck.

Feels like Groundhog Day.
Kinda my thing. It’s irrational fandom and I love it.

Btw, after last nights win, it feels a lot like 93!
 

Sorinth

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I love how after every meaningless win against another bottom feeder the tank is over and this thread shouldn't exist anymore... then they start losing again because guess what, they suck.

Feels like Groundhog Day.
NYI are 2 points of a wild card spot, and would've been tied if they beat us, so they aren't exactly a bottom feeder. But anyways I kind of assumed all the posts about the tank is over because we won were jokes.
 

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NYI are 2 points of a wild card spot, and would've been tied if they beat us, so they aren't exactly a bottom feeder. But anyways I kind of assumed all the posts about the tank is over because we won were jokes.
Half the fun of having a tank thread is yelling at the Mods to Shut it down whenever we show signs of life.


Also my expectations for another high draft pick are tempered since the best prospect is another LD and Demidov is better than anyone else is this years draft
 

Jurivan Demidovsky

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Age doesn't play hockey, hockey players play hockey. Potential doesn’t play hockey, hockey players play hockey.

Personally, I prefer good hockey players, as a set or group, over young hockey players.

Your regressive and reductive attitude would have you praising a team with hopeless 21 year old AHLers over a team with a higher average age and more skilled and productive players simply because the former group is younger and thus has more time to develop (and therefore needs more patience).

This is why the “hush, be patient” attitude is a dead end.

Waiting for a lumbering truck to cross a finish line at the Grand Prix won’t ever mean it has won the race. Do we have a car that can win the actual race? Do we have the right team, the right managers, the right components? Patience is not the main factor in these evaluations.

Even tanking can be evaluated and re-evaluated. We’ve already discussed Dach and Newhook plenty but the other issue is MSL and Hughes’ insistence upon giving him (an inexperienced coach) full reign.

There are loads of aspects to this hockey team to evaluate and discuss on a hockey forum.
The tank is going perfectly, what's the problem? Those players have time to improve, there's no rush. MSL is the perfect tank commander right now, what's the issue? We can get a different coach in a few years. Wouldn't it be great to pick top 5 again next draft?
 

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The tank is going perfectly, what's the problem? Those players have time to improve, there's no rush. MSL is the perfect tank commander right now, what's the issue? We can get a different coach in a few years. Wouldn't it be great to pick top 5 again next draft?
The fact is we didn't plan to tank this season, but we saw the team and its players eat shit this year and quickly some have adjusted to say that the tank is going perfectly.

Are you sure nothing is going wrong?
 

Jurivan Demidovsky

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The fact is we didn't plan to tank this season, but we saw the team and its players eat shit this year and quickly some have adjusted to say that the tank is going perfectly.

Are you sure nothing is going wrong?
It's true we had some hope to make the playoffs this season, even though so many things had to go right for us. We thought we were further along. But we aren't and we were served a reality check. Sure things have gone wrong, but we're actually better off this way for this season, we need another top 5 pick. We were naive with our expectations for this season. Vegas knew, wasn't the over under for us 76 points?

There's a lot going wrong, but there's also a lot going right. The tank is imperfectly perfect no matter the outcome if we chose to look at the bright side and the positives coming from this season.
 

Sorinth

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The fact is we didn't plan to tank this season, but we saw the team and its players eat shit this year and quickly some have adjusted to say that the tank is going perfectly.

Are you sure nothing is going wrong?
They may not have planned to tank but they were certainly more then comfortable with it happening. Yeah the hope was to take another step forward but it was always just a hope that they knew might not come to pass and if it didn't we would have another tank year.

They knew they were worsening our D group by trading 2 of our more steady guys in Harris & Kovacevik because they wanted to make room for younger prospects like Hutson. That's frankly falls closer to being a being tank move then a non-tank move.

At the end of the day it's not a binary tanking vs trying to compete for the playoffs, it's a scale. If 1 is full on scorched earth tanking and 10 is going hard to compete/contend by trading prospects/picks for vets then we were probably a 4.5 out of 10, it was very clearly let's see what kind of organic growth we get from our players.
 
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Grate n Colorful Oz

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I think youre right. These next few games - at home - with Laine will likely firm up our trajectory for this season.
From December 28th to the end of January:

Florida
TB
Vegas
Chicago
Colorado
Vancouver
Washington
Dallas
Utah
Dallas
Toronto
NYR
TB
Detroit
NJ
Winnipeg
Minnesota

Those are 17 games where there's a high likelyhood we'll play under ,400 and be completely out of the playoff picture.
 
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nhlfan9191

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They may not have planned to tank but they were certainly more then comfortable with it happening. Yeah the hope was to take another step forward but it was always just a hope that they knew might not come to pass and if it didn't we would have another tank year.

They knew they were worsening our D group by trading 2 of our more steady guys in Harris & Kovacevik because they wanted to make room for younger prospects like Hutson. That's frankly falls closer to being a being tank move then a non-tank move.

At the end of the day it's not a binary tanking vs trying to compete for the playoffs, it's a scale. If 1 is full on scorched earth tanking and 10 is going hard to compete/contend by trading prospects/picks for vets then we were probably a 4.5 out of 10, it was very clearly let's see what kind of organic growth we get from our players.
I wouldn’t say Gorton and Hughes were comfortable tanking this season. I think they were expecting a lot more of an impact out of Slafkovsky and Dach. I don’t they expected Suzuki to be inconsistent or Matheson to fall back to earth. They acquired Laine and he was hurt almost immediately and gone for 2 months. Nobody on the blueline had really taken any big steps from the youth. The coaching wasn’t good either. I think it’s safe to say the first 25 or so games didn’t go as planned at all for them.
 
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