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Sorinth said:
I didn't actually, I said it was closer to being a tank move then a non-tank move and in that context a non-tank move would be a move made where we are going for it.

Trading serviceable NHL players for picks and playing rookies knowing it weakens us in the shorterm in the hopes of longer term payoff is a rebuilding move. Now it's true a part of the long term payoff is expected to come from increased ice time to our young D.

We were sellers this offseason not buyers.
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Rebuilding and tanking are two different things with different definitions. Every team, rebuilding, building, tanking, or otherwise, would and does churn through lower depth chart players. Your premise and conclusion are both wrong and have been called out enough.
 
ReHabs said:
Rebuilding and tanking are two different things with different definitions. Every team, rebuilding, building, tanking, or otherwise, would and does churn through lower depth chart players. Your premise and conclusion are both wrong and have been called out enough.
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So to be clear your position is that Hughes was uncomfortable with another tank year but then did nothing to actually help the team improve and instead traded NHL players for picks and an oft injured cap dump?

If Hughes was actually uncomfortable with another tank year he would've done what Chicago did and actually added vets to the team.
 
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Sorinth said:
So to be clear your position is that Hughes was uncomfortable with another tank year but then did nothing to actually help the team improve and instead traded NHL players for picks and an oft injured cap dump?

If Hughes was actually uncomfortable with another tank year he would've done what Chicago did and actually added vets to the team.
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He definitely didn’t plan to weaken the team or else he would’ve actually weakened the team and he wouldn’t have said he expects to be in the mix again.

We had too many defenders and he traded two of the lower ceiling ones away. You call that a tank move? Just those two moves alone (+ their prescribed replacements: Mailloux, Reinbacher, Engstrom and/or Hutson) raised the skill level of the roster.

Dach’s return, the growth of Slafkovsky Y-on-Y, the growth of Guhle, fully fit Caufield, expected growth of Barron, Newhook, Struble etc. all were meant to improve the performance of the team that lost many one goal games.

There is zero evidence the Habs planned to tank. Not sure why you insist to bicker about this.
 
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ReHabs said:
He definitely didn’t plan to weaken the team or else he would’ve actually weakened the team and he wouldn’t have said he expects to be in the mix again.

We had too many defenders and he traded two of the lower ceiling ones away. You call that a tank move? Just those two moves alone (+ their prescribed replacements: Mailloux, Reinbacher, Engstrom and/or Hutson) raised the skill level of the roster.

Dach’s return, the growth of Slafkovsky Y-on-Y, the growth of Guhle, fully fit Caufield, expected growth of Barron, Newhook, Struble etc. all were meant to improve the performance of the team that lost many one goal games.

There is zero evidence the Habs planned to tank. Not sure why you insist to bicker about this.
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We bicker about it because you consistently and purposefully misrepresent what I said. I never said they were tank moves. I said they were rebuilding moves that would hurt us short term and but would hopefully pay dividends long term. I also never said we planned to tank, I said they were comfortable with another tank year.
 
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Sorinth said:
We bicker about it because you consistently and purposefully misrepresent what I said. I never said they were tank moves. I said they were rebuilding moves that would hurt us short term and but would hopefully pay dividends long term. I also never said we planned to tank, I said they were comfortable with another tank year.
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Your premise was wrong and everywhere thereafter too.

You said cutting Kovacevic loose and trading Harris away (to make space for the glut of prospects) was “closer to a tank move”. You only mentioned rebuilding after getting called out.
 
Sorinth said:
You do understand what the word closer means right? Or are you trying to preposterously argue that a rebuilding move is closer to a contending move than a tank one?
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If churning through bottom-of-the-roster players is a tank move then every team in the league is tanking according to your definition. Your definition is wrong.
 
I wish people on this site knew the meaning of tanking, but I'll help you all;

Tanking in sports refers to the practice of intentionally fielding non-competitive teams to take advantage of league rules that benefit losing teams.[1] This is a much more common practice in American sports that utilize closed leagues than in open sports leagues in other nations, which typically penalize poor performers using a promotion and relegation system, in which the worst teams after each season are sent to a lower-tiered league and replaced with that league's best teams. Relegation costs teams revenue and makes it more difficult for them to attract top talent, making tanking unfeasible. Tanking teams are usually seeking top picks in the next draft, since league rules generally give the highest draft picks to the previous season's worst teams. Teams that decide to start tanking often do so by trading away star players in order to reduce payroll and bring in younger prospects.[2] While the terms tanking and rebuilding are sometimes used interchangeably, there are differences between the two concepts.
 
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Sorinth said:
So it's the word closer that you don't understand, got it.
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I think the Habs didn’t plan to tank (lose excessively) this year and I think trading away Kovacevic and Harris was part of their rebuilding plan which meant to be “in the mix” of teams above the tanking teams and below the playoff teams.

I think they didn’t plan to tank and didn’t plan on not having a second line because Dach and Newhook forgot to play hockey. They didn’t plan on Barron and Struble stagnating. They didn’t plan on the goalies cratering.

These things happen to a rebuilding team but the organization did not plan to tank.
 
ReHabs said:
I think the Habs didn’t plan to tank (lose excessively) this year and I think trading away Kovacevic and Harris was part of their rebuilding plan which meant to be “in the mix” of teams above the tanking teams and below the playoff teams.

I think they didn’t plan to tank and didn’t plan on not having a second line because Dach and Newhook forgot to play hockey. They didn’t plan on Barron and Struble stagnating. They didn’t plan on the goalies cratering.

These things happen to a rebuilding team but the organization did not plan to tank.
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If only more of our players could be "cratering" their way towards being team Canada roster selections!
 
Montrealcowboys said:
Knowing this organization, they will get a bunch of wins and end up missing the playoffs and a top 5 pick. Unless Demidov becomes an elite scorer along with Slafkovsky, it will be tough. Suzuki at 25 isn't getting any younger.
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Suzuki at 25 isn't getting any younger.

You're right when it comes to all those Cup-winning teams that boast lineups that carry 21 and 22 year-olds exclusively.

The reality is that Montreal won't become a contender until Suzuki's a veteran to lead the younger talent that follows.

Montreal'sroster willingly start rounding itself out by the time Suzuki is 28, with current young veterans like Suzuki having become veterans, current youngsters becoming young veterans and prospects currently in the system being youngsters on the team. Add to that the selections at the 2025 draft just joining the roster for a first foray playing at the NHL's tempo.

Two more years should give us a blend of veterans, young veterans and youngsters that can look forward to a longer playoff push and, ideally, even contend for a Cup when Suzuki is 30!

That will be the last year of Suzuki's current contract and Montreal management will need to determine whether it can and should extend Suzuki beyond that as 30+ extensions are dangerous signings, especially long term ones.
 
Montrealcowboys said:
Knowing this organization, they will get a bunch of wins and end up missing the playoffs and a top 5 pick. Unless Demidov becomes an elite scorer along with Slafkovsky, it will be tough. Suzuki at 25 isn't getting any younger.
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Should we tell Laine to stop scoring? Demidov will be elite.
 
Grate n Colorful Oz said:
We won against weak teams without Laine. Thinking his addition has suddenly created a turnaround is a pure fallacy, for now. Let's see how they do in January before jumping to conclusions.
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I think we're a bit better then our early record suggests. Laine seems to be inspiring the guys around him. They were clearly pumped to start the year with him on the team, and when he was injured it felt like all the air was let out of the tires. At least the team is fun to watch again.
 
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Jurivan Demidovsky said:
I think we're a bit better then our early record suggests. Laine seems to be inspiring the guys around him. They were clearly pumped to start the year with him on the team, and when he was injured it felt like all the air was let out of the tires. At least the team is fun to watch again.
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Laine injury also exposed our lack of deep. We have multiple young player talking a step back (Roy, Dach and Newhook). I just hope, we get lucky and draft in the top 4 this year. We really need help at top 6 forward and top 4 Defense.
 
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rahad said:
Laine injury also exposed our lack of deep. We have multiple young player talking a step back (Roy, Dach and Newhook). I just hope, we get lucky and draft in the top 4 this year. We really need help at top 6 forward and top 4 Defense.
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Habs 3rd line has been dominating their opposition thus far … with Laine in the lineup they can actually matchup accordingly and get huge advantage
 
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