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IceNeophyte said:
The wife read somewhere that my favorite unemployed coach, Tortellini, is interviewing with the Flyers.
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Are they keeping Pacioretty? Because Torts benched Pacioretty for the World Cup.

The team needs a swift kick in the ass but with them getting Eichel acclimatized next year that sounds like a recipe for disaster.


And even though he's destined to be 1C, I've soured a bit on Kolesar. If he wants something like 900K-1M, he can hit the road after his little stunt of running away from guys like Zadorov when he threw a hit Calgary didn't like.
 
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And I guess the Pacific is still garbage again(?) so 1st in the division is still very attainable no matter what.
 

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Are they keeping Pacioretty? Because Torts benched Pacioretty for the World Cup.

The team needs a swift kick in the ass but with them getting Eichel acclimatized next year that sounds like a recipe for disaster.


And even though he's destined to be 1C, I've soured a bit on Kolesar. If he wants something like 900K-1M, he can hit the road after his little stunt of running away from guys like Zadorov when he threw a hit Calgary didn't like.
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If Koleslaw is going to be the 1C I'll be the King of England. And trading Pacioretty for whatever we can get for him solves a lot of problems if we don't have to retain salary.
 

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azvgk said:
If Koleslaw is going to be the 1C I'll be the King of England. And trading Pacioretty for whatever we can get for him solves a lot of problems if we don't have to retain salary.
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Why would we need to retain on Pacioretty? Rust just got 5.125 for six years. Pacioretty has one at 7.

Past 3 seasons:
Rust---------- 171 GP 73g 83a 156p +29
Pacioretty- 158 GP 75g 79a 154p +46

Playoff career:
Rust---------- 79 GP 21g 14a 35p +6
Pacioretty- 74 GP 25g 24a 49p +4

Generally, I think Pacioretty has better advanced stats than Rust. Pacioretty is bigger and a better physical presence. He's only three years older.

He was just injured for half this season. There is no way some GM wouldn't take him for free, especially if they can pay a third team a few 3rds to hold 2 million or more and get Pacioretty at 4-5 for one year with the possibility to re-sign at a similar rate if it works out well or walk away with little lost if it doesn't.

Thing is, it helps our cap problems but exacerbates our scoring problems so I'm sure they are very hesitant to do it.
 

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Vegan Knight said:
Why would we need to retain on Pacioretty? Rust just got 5.125 for six years. Pacioretty has one at 7.

Past 3 seasons:
Rust---------- 171 GP 73g 83a 156p +29
Pacioretty- 158 GP 75g 79a 154p +46

Playoff career:
Rust---------- 79 GP 21g 14a 35p +6
Pacioretty- 74 GP 25g 24a 49p +4

Generally, I think Pacioretty has better advanced stats than Rust. Pacioretty is bigger and a better physical presence. He's only three years older.

He was just injured for half this season. There is no way some GM wouldn't take him for free, especially if they can pay a third team a few 3rds to hold 2 million or more and get Pacioretty at 4-5 for one year with the possibility to re-sign at a similar rate if it works out well or walk away with little lost if it doesn't.

Thing is, it helps our cap problems but exacerbates our scoring problems so I'm sure they are very hesitant to do it.
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I think a large part of our scoring problems come down to the PDB style not fitting the type of players we have. I'm not saying Pacioretty is not better than Rust, he probably is, but given our cap issues we need players who bring to the tqable more than their salary, and Pacioretty to my mind is not worth anywhere near what he has brung. He's one-dimensional and keeping him may well cost us both Dadonov (which is OK) and Smith (which isn't). So my argument is basically he's a luxury we can't afford, with the right coach we have more than enough to pick up the scoring pace without him, and we need to start drafting prospects and bringing in players on ELC's so our cap situation isn't so dire.
 

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azvgk said:
Marchand out 6-8 months, Bergeron getting very long in the tooth, little in the prospect pool, Bruins need vets to take one last kick at the can.
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The East is such crap below #8 the Bruins don't need much to stay at least in the playoff hunt and can do an on-the-fly rebuild of their first line while staying relevant. Martinez though seems a very peculiar choice for them. Not that their D is great, but they are fully stocked so adding him means sitting a guy making 3m or more.

Patches makes a lot more sense and its a chance for him to play near "home" as he winds down his career. I know the B's don't really want to move DeBrusk but if the situation is such that he really demands out then Patches for DeBrusk as a starting point of a deal makes a lot of sense although that is a huge steal for VGK so they have to put a lot of assets back into it. VGK would be happy to include Martinez in on the deal, although don't see how that works for the Bruins cap wise without sending more cap back. One of the lower cost D-men for the Bruins would have to come back, probably Forbort as I doubt they want to give up Grzelcyk. Plus probably have to give up a prospect or draft capital too because getting a 25- year old version of Patches getting 4m for next two years is a huge win.

Such a deal doesn't make VGK a better team right now, but does get them younger, probably healthier, and buys some cap space.
 
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What's the deal with Lehner? Is he done?

If he's on LTIRetirement, and you need a starter, how about

to VGK: Bobrovsky (retained down to $7.25m)
to FLA: Dadonov

You guys get your starter and clear Dadonov to a team that he'd waive for. And at $7.25m, Bob really isn't even that overpaid. I'd say he's easily worth $6m - $7m based on his play this year.
 

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kerrabria said:
What's the deal with Lehner? Is he done?

If he's on LTIRetirement, and you need a starter, how about

to VGK: Bobrovsky (retained down to $7.25m)
to FLA: Dadonov

You guys get your starter and clear Dadonov to a team that he'd waive for. And at $7.25m, Bob really isn't even that overpaid. I'd say he's easily worth $6m - $7m based on his play this year.
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No thanks
 
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willy702 said:
The East is such crap below #8 the Bruins don't need much to stay at least in the playoff hunt and can do an on-the-fly rebuild of their first line while staying relevant. Martinez though seems a very peculiar choice for them. Not that their D is great, but they are fully stocked so adding him means sitting a guy making 3m or more.

Patches makes a lot more sense and its a chance for him to play near "home" as he winds down his career. I know the B's don't really want to move DeBrusk but if the situation is such that he really demands out then Patches for DeBrusk as a starting point of a deal makes a lot of sense although that is a huge steal for VGK so they have to put a lot of assets back into it. VGK would be happy to include Martinez in on the deal, although don't see how that works for the Bruins cap wise without sending more cap back. One of the lower cost D-men for the Bruins would have to come back, probably Forbort as I doubt they want to give up Grzelcyk. Plus probably have to give up a prospect or draft capital too because getting a 25- year old version of Patches getting 4m for next two years is a huge win.

Such a deal doesn't make VGK a better team right now, but does get them younger, probably healthier, and buys some cap space.
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By the way, Patches is from Hamden, Connecticut, which is mostly Bruin country, since the Whalers no longer are there.

Bruins still have plenty left to make the playoffs, but at best they're a notch below the tops in the East. And at some point sooner rather than later, they're going to need to rebuild. In many ways, they mirror VGK - their prospect pool is worse than ours, and they've traded many of their picks too. It's a big hockey area, and they spend to the cap, so they will always attract free agents like Taylor Hall, but they're really close to the end of their run.
 
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willy702 said:
The East is such crap below #8 the Bruins don't need much to stay at least in the playoff hunt and can do an on-the-fly rebuild of their first line while staying relevant. Martinez though seems a very peculiar choice for them. Not that their D is great, but they are fully stocked so adding him means sitting a guy making 3m or more.

Patches makes a lot more sense and its a chance for him to play near "home" as he winds down his career. I know the B's don't really want to move DeBrusk but if the situation is such that he really demands out then Patches for DeBrusk as a starting point of a deal makes a lot of sense although that is a huge steal for VGK so they have to put a lot of assets back into it. VGK would be happy to include Martinez in on the deal, although don't see how that works for the Bruins cap wise without sending more cap back. One of the lower cost D-men for the Bruins would have to come back, probably Forbort as I doubt they want to give up Grzelcyk. Plus probably have to give up a prospect or draft capital too because getting a 25- year old version of Patches getting 4m for next two years is a huge win.

Such a deal doesn't make VGK a better team right now, but does get them younger, probably healthier, and buys some cap space.
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Not completely improbable but they do already have Marchand and Hall on left wing. I would decline that trade as a one for one though. DeBrusk has been quiet away from Krejci and he doesn’t bring any more speed or explosiveness which is what we lack.

Pacioretty for Zacha would make sense imo. NJ is relatively close to Connecticut and they have a higher need for Patches. Zacha is more physical, more versatile, cheaper, and 6 months younger than DeBrusk.
 

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One current and a few former VGKers
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I wonder who is really in position to pay a lot of these guys? Would they chase the money to play for a non contender and which non contender wants to get talent and not just trade space for picks?
 

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Roy is a tricky one, he had 16 points (7 goals) in the final 27 games. He still only finished with 15 goals this season and his career total is 26. And last year scoring was up league wide. (The Roslovic comparison, Roslovic had 22 goals last season with less ice time and has 60 in his career.)

The last third of the season he stepped up offensively but it's still eight weeks of play that are boosting this season's numbers even to what they are.

33 of his 39 points were at even strength though, with only 5 on the powerplay and 1 shorthanded. Checking the other players involved in his goal scoring plays, there's some Marchessault representation but it's not like he was carried to points playing with Eichel, Stone, Pacioretty or Marchessault.

If Roy were put on Eichel's right wing for 80 games and together on a powerplay not hampered by Spott could he get 20 goals, 50 points? I think so but he hasn't shown enough to pay for that yet.

Stephenson got 2.75x4 on pretty much the same cap ceiling. I can't see Roy getting a higher number no matter if it's 2-4 years.
 
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I like Roy and Hague but the cap is what it is, these deals don't work. The hole in the Knights startegy going forward is no one on a real entry level deal and too many high priced veterans going forward. Roy and Hague only worked as long as they were on rookie deals. Trade Hague and roll with Miromanov. Not saying he's better but that kind of trade off is just reality under a cap.
 
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I think 2.5 is fair value because it’s important to not overlook previous seasons. If he wants more I trade him because he’s either a 4C on our depth chart or another slow winger. Roy is better suited at C imo so he may have more value to other teams than us.
 
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Not liking all the Martinez rumors. Only way I'd trade him is as a last ditch effort to get under the cap after every other possibility has been exhausted. Losing him really throws the defense pairs for a loop. A guy like Hague can play 20 minutes a night paired with Petro but I'd much prefer him on the third pair with Whitecloud. The top 6/7 D as it stands now is very, very solid.
 
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