Speculation: Official Offseason Thread

[azvgk]

Brossoit won't be hard to move at all. He's cheap enough and only has 1 year left. Chicago, Buffalo, and Arizona will all be prime candidates to take him. Buried in the AHL would only save 1m.

The only reason I'd think of moving Lehner is the same as Pacioretty, injuries. If he had proven he could stay healthy it wouldn't even be a consideration for me, but we're going to have enough to worry about on the injury front with Stone going forward that we can't use valuable cap on guys that can't at least be counted on to be healthy.

For my money, I'd like to move on from both Lehner and Pacioretty. Being as cap-strapped as we are, we need value for our high dollar players, and neither is worth what they're getting. I understand Patches has only one year left, but that year could cost us more valuable players. As to Lehner, I know it's controversial but I've never thought of him as a top-5 goalie. It's of course risky to just hand the keys to the kingdom to Thompson, but I have a sneaking suspicion Thompson is going to be very, very good.

 

[LadyStanley]

Lehner and PDB did not mix well last season. Who knows how the new coach and goalies will interact.

 

[RapidKnight]

Forgive the intrusion, but the latest offer-sheet compensation tiers were just unveiled, and it got me thinking about Arizona and Vegas. Specifically about Nic Hague.

Minnesota was recently left with no choice but to deal big Jack McBain, as we was set to use his incoming College FA status to walk. They ended up dealing him to Arizona for a mid-2nd round pick. He's an older prospect that stepped right into the NHL.

Nathan Smith put Winnipeg in a similar spot. Arizona swooped in and took him off their hands, along with a Bryan Little dump. Again, the value works out to about a 2nd rounder, or so. Again, Smith is a bigger, older prospect, who was NHL ready right-away.

Both were situations where Arizona took advantage of unique contract situations to obtain big, young players, and gave up around a 2nd in value for them.

Enter Nic Hague and the new offer-sheet compensation tiers. 2.2aav to 4.2 aav is a 2nd. Arizona's 2023 2nd is very likely to be 33rd to 38th overall. Jakob Chychrun has requested a trade, and Arizona's defensive prospect pool is very, very thin. They're likely to deal Chychrun for "futures", and I believe the could really use Nic Hague, and would be very happy to add him for an early 2nd.

Say Arizona offered-sheeted him at 3yrs, 10mil, 3.33aav - do you think Vegas would match? Or just happily take the 2nd and move-on?

Again, sorry to bother. Just thought it was an interesting idea, and wanted to get the home-town take.

If it reached that point I would unhappily take the 2nd. It seems unlikely though.

 

[LadyStanley]

Offer sheets that never get signed aren't made public.

It takes a team willing to make an offer sheet worth signing, AND a player willing to risk playing for offering team and taking the heat from the current fan base.

 

[CupInSIX]

Hague can be offer sheeted this summer?

 

[theslatcher]

Hague can be offer sheeted this summer?

Yeah.

 

[theslatcher]

Remember when this management let Perron go in FA?

 

[rt]

Offer sheets that never get signed aren't made public.

It takes a team willing to make an offer sheet worth signing, AND a player willing to risk playing for offering team and taking the heat from the current fan base.

I was suggesting 3yrs, 10mil, 3.33avg and perhaps more importantly, as many minutes as he could possibly handle.

 

[CupInSIX]

I was suggesting 3yrs, 10mil, 3.33avg and perhaps more importantly, as many minutes as he could possibly handle.

I wouldn't walk away from Hague over that contract. Not sure how they would fit him in at 4m though.

 

[LadyStanley]

Paywall. Part the first

 

[Gurglesons]

What is Vegas fans opinion of a Pierre Oliver Joseph for Hague deal?

 

[LadyStanley]

What is Vegas fans opinion of a Pierre Oliver Joseph for Hague deal?

Nope.

Hague is an established NHLer (140+ games), 23 years old; you know what you're getting.

Joseph is a year younger, has a handful of NHL games.

 

[Gurglesons]

Nope.

Hague is an established NHLer (140+ games), 23 years old; you know what you're getting.

Joseph is a year younger, has a handful of NHL games.

How do they resign him?

 

[LadyStanley]

How do they resign him?

I don't know/haven't looked into it, but they could get a better del than what was offered

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't know/haven't looked into it, but they could get a better del than what was offered

He seems like an easy offer sheet at 4 mil.

 

[The Duck Knight]

He seems like an easy offer sheet at 4 mil.

He's not worth that at all. If someone wants to overpay that much Vegas will take the 2nd. Smart money says he'll get signed to a bridge deal between 1.5-2m.

 

[Gurglesons]

He's not worth that at all. If someone wants to overpay that much Vegas will take the 2nd. Smart money says he'll get signed to a bridge deal between 1.5-2m.

So you would prefer a 2nd over a prospect like POJ?

 

[The Duck Knight]

So you would prefer a 2nd over a prospect like POJ?

I'd prefer we just get him signed. I'll take the risk that he won't sign an offer sheet.

 

[VEGASKING]

What is with these Hague valuations this week? 3.33 and 4m? Any team that wants to offer him that can gladly have him.

 

[CupInSIX]

If they actually had the cap, anything under 3.5M might be a steal in 2-3 years.

 

[RapidKnight]

I like Hague but I’d happily take a second for any offer over 3 million. He’s not a top 4 defenseman on our team. Even Hutton put up better results than Hague when playing with Pietrangelo, both large samples. If we trade Hague I wouldn’t want another d-man back. Our defense would be sound (and full) without Hague. A young energetic forward would be ideal.
I’m also not sold on Hague’s potential. Imo he projects stylistically to Hamilton with less offensive upside.

 

[CupInSIX]

I like Hague but I’d happily take a second for any offer over 3 million. He’s not a top 4 defenseman on our team. Even Hutton put up better results than Hague when playing with Pietrangelo, both large samples. If we trade Hague I wouldn’t want another d-man back. Our defense would be sound (and full) without Hague. A young energetic forward would be ideal.
I’m also not sold on Hague’s potential. Imo he projects stylistically to Hamilton with less offensive upside.

A Hamilton with less offense is still a top 4 dman. Plus he's 10x tougher than Dougie.

If Hague's development comes to a standstill and he's nothing more than a 3rd pairing offensive Dman, 3m isn't a huge overpayment for a 6'6 dman that provides offense & physicality.

I'm on the fence with Hague. He continued to improve his skating last year, and Pietrangelo seems great for his development.

 

[RapidKnight]

A Hamilton with less offense is still a top 4 dman. Plus he's 10x tougher than Dougie.

If Hague's development comes to a standstill and he's nothing more than a 3rd pairing offensive Dman, 3m isn't a huge overpayment for a 6'6 dman that provides offense & physicality.

I'm on the fence with Hague. He continued to improve his skating last year, and Pietrangelo seems great for his development.

I agree with everything you said. For me once the salary goes up between 3.5 and 4.2 I’m definitely not going to take the risk when Hutton is making 850k.

 

[LadyStanley]

Paywall. Part the second

 

[IceNeophyte]

The wife read somewhere that my favorite unemployed coach, Tortellini, is interviewing with the Flyers.