hangman005
It's my first day.
It's been two weeks since the season ended, and no one has gotten fired. I'm going to lose my booking on the parade route to airport if this doesn't change soon.
Speculation: Official Offseason Thread
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CupInSIX
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What could they have done, other than hired a new PP coach or put Craig in charge of it? All they had to work with were Theodore, Pietrangelo, Marchessault etc.
Plus both goalies got injured and they had to call up Thompson & get the most reliable goaltending they had all year.
I can't stand Debore but I remember reading some Isles fan say he ran into a former player that told him 'don't be shocked if Trotz gets fired' so I think he'd be even worse for this team.
With Foley basically admitting he's been meddling in GM decisions all along, I don't have much confidence in GMKM to be able to do his job this summer. He's probably waiting it out until Cheveldayoff gets fired from the Jets, and he'll win a Cup with them.
hangman005
It's my first day.
I'm not even fussed on Trotz to be honest, but we improve by the subtracting the current coaching staff.What could they have done, other than hired a new PP coach or put Craig in charge of it? All they had to work with were Theodore, Pietrangelo, Marchessault etc.
Plus both goalies got injured and they had to call up Thompson & get the most reliable goaltending they had all year.
I can't stand Debore but I remember reading some Isles fan say he ran into a former player that told him 'don't be shocked if Trotz gets fired' so I think he'd be even worse for this team.
With Foley basically admitting he's been meddling in GM decisions all along, I don't have much confidence in GMKM to be able to do his job this summer. He's probably waiting it out until Cheveldayoff gets fired from the Jets, and he'll win a Cup with them.
RapidKnight
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Powerplay stats (3 seasons):
I think our problem on the PP is finishing not generating shots. Even during 5v5 Marchessault and Pacioretty aren’t efficient shooters and the powerplay further exploits players with subpar one-timers.
The powerplay coach might deserve to go but I wouldn’t except much better results with a different coach.
| shots/60 | SH% | |
| Pacioretty | 21.83 | 11.92 |
| Marchessault | 20.12 | 9.33 |
| Stamkos | 19.59 | 17.82 |
| Matthews | 19.36 | 18.91 |
| Ehlers | 19.33 | 13.00 |
| Ovechkin | 19.23 | 13.43 |
| Hoffman | 18.84 | 13.17 |
| Zibanejad | 18.84 | 19.61 |
| MacKinnon | 18.83 | 12.00 |
| Perron | 18.07 | 15.85 |
| Pastrnak | 18.07 | 19.81 |
| Fiala | 17.96 | 12.66 |
| Tarasenko | 17.47 | 10.84 |
| Seguin | 17.35 | 5.41 |
| Draisaitl | 17.23 | 23.50 |
| Median | 10.56 | 13.00 |
The powerplay coach might deserve to go but I wouldn’t except much better results with a different coach.
CupInSIX
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Ovie's shooting percentage is shocking. The greatest goal scorer of all time is only at 13.43% because Laviolette's PP sucks. There's no excuse for them, either. They have even better personnel for a good PP: net front presence, sniper, offensive dmen.
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CupInSIX
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CupInSIX
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To be fair though, the Capitals PP was much better in the postseason.
Vegas' PP has been pretty consistently shit after PDB & Spott took over, but it's been even worse in the postseason.
Vegas' PP has been pretty consistently shit after PDB & Spott took over, but it's been even worse in the postseason.
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I wouldn’t count out age as a factor. His shooting percentage has declined gradually for many years. Ovechkin has taken 6061 shots in his career, second in league history, and 2,323 more than any other active player. And one-timers take a larger toll on the body. Ovechkin’s absurd amount of powerplay minutes disguise his decline on the surface. His instincts are still as good as ever though.
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RapidKnight
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As for our powerplay we can’t deploy Pacioretty in the shooter role. It’s not necessarily his shot isn’t powerful enough, his accuracy when elevating the puck is just not good. Dadonov would be better in that role instead he was assigned to tap in rebounds.
PDB fired ya'll got your wish.
Have to think that means they have Trotz or Q lined up.
Have to think that means they have Trotz or Q lined up.
theslatcher
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Sure, he also has Carlson to work with. Neither of them are close to being at the level of Bäckström on the PP as playmakers.
Caps' PP production with Ovi on the ice when he's not with Bäckström goes down by a ton as opposed to when Bäckström on the ice. In the last 3 seasons Ovi on the PP has spent 376:43 without Bäckström, and 506:22 with him, for reference.
CupInSIX
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Q would be amazing. If any team would bring him back so soon it'd be Vegas.
Trotz would be a big improvement for a lot of clubs, but I don't know if VGK is one of them.
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Quenneville has to be reinstated by commissioner before he can be hired.
Manny Viveros might be an internal candidate, and would be familiar with a lot of the "kids" he's been working with in Henderson.
Manny Viveros might be an internal candidate, and would be familiar with a lot of the "kids" he's been working with in Henderson.
He would sort of fit the mold with management, no?
hangman005
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He would definately help in our plan to feed off the hate
Pirate Deadpool
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He would definately help in our plan to feed off the hate
My girlfriend looked over my shoulders as I started to reply to this thread and said Tortolloni. Other than Gallant and DeBoer, Torts is the only NHL coach she almost knows by name and it's because he's the only coach that she has seen embarrass himself often enough on that late night recap show on NHL network and has asked me several times why isn't he fired and I have to ask what did he do or say as I'm not as dedicated to follow the rest of the league daily like she has.
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Pirate Deadpool
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I think that the golden knights power play has always stunk because they have never had one or two guys that can consistently score those ugly greasy goals at point blank range off of tips and rebounds. The sharks had a few of those guys under DeBoer.
And with the exception of Pie signing with Vegas last season, they have never had a good pp QB. I think Pie has good vision and has a decent and accurate shot, but he played with a lot of physical forwards that loved to bang down low and whacked at the puck with ferocity and Petro also had elite snipers Oshie and Tarasanko on his pp unit.
Vegas had a bunch of guys given the opportunity to be the pp qb and what they got was a whole bunch of guys failing to do what was needed and that is to lay down accurate heavy bombs from the point reaching the goalie causing juicy rebounds leading to greasy goals as well as getting it accurately to the tape of the stick of a guy like Pavelski, Hertl, and Meier. Burns was that guy for the sharks who could tee it up and get it through almost all the time and was one of the best at it for many years.
Theodore and his weak azz wristers would be swallowed up by opposing pk units not having any fear getting out in front of them. Miller and Hague have hard shots, but their bazookas lacked a scope. Miller would miss wide by 5 feet and the only damage he did was to the boards who got dented more than opposing pk units.
Vegas has had misleading high shot count numbers, but many of those were too weak and from too far away that ended up in the goalies glove hand.
The Backs2Ovie connection has seen some of the most beautiful sick saucer passes landing on Ovie's tape and exactly where Ovie wants it and Backs could thread these insane saucers through the smallest of openings of bodies and sticks. Adding Oshie who lurks in the high slot was an added dimension to that pp unit and we saw it in the finals. Vegas had no answer for that unit.
And with the exception of Pie signing with Vegas last season, they have never had a good pp QB. I think Pie has good vision and has a decent and accurate shot, but he played with a lot of physical forwards that loved to bang down low and whacked at the puck with ferocity and Petro also had elite snipers Oshie and Tarasanko on his pp unit.
Vegas had a bunch of guys given the opportunity to be the pp qb and what they got was a whole bunch of guys failing to do what was needed and that is to lay down accurate heavy bombs from the point reaching the goalie causing juicy rebounds leading to greasy goals as well as getting it accurately to the tape of the stick of a guy like Pavelski, Hertl, and Meier. Burns was that guy for the sharks who could tee it up and get it through almost all the time and was one of the best at it for many years.
Theodore and his weak azz wristers would be swallowed up by opposing pk units not having any fear getting out in front of them. Miller and Hague have hard shots, but their bazookas lacked a scope. Miller would miss wide by 5 feet and the only damage he did was to the boards who got dented more than opposing pk units.
Vegas has had misleading high shot count numbers, but many of those were too weak and from too far away that ended up in the goalies glove hand.
The Backs2Ovie connection has seen some of the most beautiful sick saucer passes landing on Ovie's tape and exactly where Ovie wants it and Backs could thread these insane saucers through the smallest of openings of bodies and sticks. Adding Oshie who lurks in the high slot was an added dimension to that pp unit and we saw it in the finals. Vegas had no answer for that unit.
Pirate Deadpool
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I wanted to state my dark horse coaching pick and it's Jim Montgomery. Blues assistant and former NCAA championship coach (Denver College)
You heard it here first. The next head coach of the golden knights although I'm sure it'll be another highly paid retread like Babcock.
If I'm Foley I fire McPhee and KM. Overrated and with the exception of the inaugural draft, lots of misses. Expensive misses
You heard it here first. The next head coach of the golden knights although I'm sure it'll be another highly paid retread like Babcock.
If I'm Foley I fire McPhee and KM. Overrated and with the exception of the inaugural draft, lots of misses. Expensive misses
CupInSIX
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You bet your arse it will be.
I'd be all for cleaning couse after the Dadonov nonsense, but the next guy that comes in would be taken to the cleaners trying to clear cap for next season. Their jobs should be on the line starting in October.
I'd bring in Marc Bergevin.
CupInSIX
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on-ice personnel predictions:
-Martinez, Lehner & Brossoit gone
-Smith re-signed
-Deslauriers & Campbell signed
-Dadonov bought out
-Martinez, Lehner & Brossoit gone
-Smith re-signed
-Deslauriers & Campbell signed
-Dadonov bought out
Lehner seems less likely to me now that Deboer is gone. Lehner/Thompson at 5.767 total seems like an almost perfect goalie situation. But it's still possible as he has positive value and there are some cheaper 1B options available.
Martinez seems like a big locker room loss when they've had locker room losses for like three seasons in a row.
Brossoit and Dadonov seem for sure gone, whether trade or buyout. Coghlan and a pick (hopefully a third) probably sent with one as a sweetener.
I think Patrick leaves also or is on LTIR or waived.
And as counterproductive to scoring more goals as it sounds, Pacioretty. Last year, won't require anything added, injured often and older.
Smith and the RFAs return and Kuzmenko brought in if they give him enough bonuses, and some physical fourth line forward.
Fill any other needs with our own youth.
Brisson, Morozov, Cormier, Chayka, Dugan, Patera are possible to see NHL debuts during the season.
Any of Leschyshyn, Rondbjerg, Dorofeyev, Miromanov, Korczak can possibly get a handful of games.
They need to have an eye to the season after next as well and start learning how to integrate our own drafted talent to the big team to relieve the cap strain or we will go through it year after year. Not to mention getting younger as a team.
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