Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[Canadian Canuck]

What part was false exactly? It’s been very well established Washington paid to get rid of panik. Also true that Mantha had much more term.

The only false thing here is Nucks fans thinking they’re going to get three 1st round picks +

Nobody said 3 1sr round picks plus.
1st+Top prospect+Roster player is the price

 

[nbwingsfan]

Players of Miller's caliber with a tiny cap hit and 1.5 years left usually don't get traded, full stop. Demanding a list of identical past trades in order to be able to assess value shows a lack of critical thinking skills on your end.

Worse players than him with worse contracts have comfortably gotten 1st round pick + top prospect in recent memory. Doesn't take much to extrapolate from there.

Duchene is probably the closest direct comparable. ~1.5 years of Duchene got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Girard, Kamenev, Bowers, Hammond.

This thread is going to be hilarious to bring up again when he’s traded. And no it was a three way trade so that’s not really what he went for.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

What part was false exactly? It’s been very well established Washington paid to get rid of panik. Also true that Mantha had much more term.

The only false thing here is Nucks fans thinking they’re going to get three 1st round picks +

Where’s the report on this? Panik’s contract was not worthy of paying to get rid of at that price. Also Mantha having more term doesn’t make him more valuable lol

 

[nbwingsfan]

Nobody said 3 1sr round picks plus.
1st+Top prospect+Roster player is the price

Multiple posts have said they expect three 1sts or equivalent if not more.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Where’s the report on this? Panik’s contract was not worthy of paying to get rid of at that price. Also Mantha having more term doesn’t make him more valuable lol

Yes it was an often healthy scratch playing 4th line minutes with term on a team right against the cap? Go back in that thread and see how many people talked about, or ask any single Caps fan

 

[CloutierForVezina]

This thread is going to be hilarious to bring up again when he’s traded. And no it was a three way trade so that’s not really what he went for.

Shifting the goalposts is pathetic. You got the exact comparable you asked for. Star player on a reasonable deal with 1.5 years left.

You don't like it as a comparable because the return was even better than 3 1st round picks.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Multiple posts have said they expect three 1sts or equivalent if not more.

Equivalent forsure. Literally look at what Coleman and Foligno got…not hard to comprehend.

 

[TeddyBare]

They mentioned on the sportsnet broadcast that it was a pretty full "attendance" of scouts for the game from all over the league
and just said way more than normal. How ever many that is.

I mean Vancouver is exactly at the halfway point of the season

 

[Canadian Canuck]

This thread is going to be hilarious to bring up again when he’s traded. And no it was a three way trade so that’s not really what he went for.

That’s exactly what he went for way to deflect though

 

[TheHelmet]

Multiple posts have said they expect three 1sts or equivalent if not more.

where?

 

[heisenbergsitti]

Equivalent forsure. Literally look at what Coleman and Foligno got…not hard to comprehend.

Just because other teams overpay and were dumb mean the stupidity continues. Bill Guerin wanted nick foligno bad but pulled out after price went to 2nd round pick. To think teams like Minnesota will give up 1 of matt boldy or Rossi and multiple 1st round picks is a fantasy and Canucks fans, the ones asking monster package are in for a bad awakening

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Just because other teams overpay and were dumb mean the stupidity continues. Bill Guerin wanted nick foligno bad but pulled out after price went to 2nd round pick. To think teams like Minnesota will give up 1 of matt boldy or Rossi and multiple 1st round picks is a fantasy and Canucks fans, the ones asking monster package are in for a bad awakening

The “stupidity” happens every damn year. Gms pay the price to win a cup when it’s their window and rightfully so.

 

[heisenbergsitti]

The “stupidity” happens every damn year. Gms pay the price to win a cup when it’s their window and rightfully so.

& like how Toronto basically bid against themselves right? Stop saying teans overpayment, or teams paying for players lead to championships because it's absolutely not true! Unless you have what Tampa bay does, it doesn't happen. Hall of fame players @ G, Stamkos, and Kuch, etc..

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

All I want is a big, mobile d.

Wait…what thread is this again?

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

I’ve been on hf a long time and if there is two things I’ve observed over the years it’s this

1.) Prospects become heavily overrated or underrated based off a short 5 game sample like WJC. Every teams fans are guilty of this.

2.). Fans view every late 1st as the next David Pasternak. In reality that picks most likely outcome is Jason Dickinson but nobody wants to admit it because it’s depressing thought.

The biggest mistake Mike Gillis made As a Canuck gm was holding on to Hodgson/Schroeder/draft picks when he could’ve used them to reinforce a president trophy winner. Cough Jeff carter cough

The Canucks are most likely going to lose this trade simply because top prospects and late 1sts bust quite often. We will be down one hell of a player in JTM and be hoping on some magic beans to salvage the trade.

 

[AZ Caps Fan]

Where's the bathroom?

 

[nbwingsfan]

where?

Do you not know what equivalent means?
this is on page 34:

….Nobody said a blue chip prospect had to be involved? Based on the deadline deals, I have (repeatedly) stated that Miller's value is a package worth 3 1st round picks. You don't have to include Schneider... but please don't expect any serious responses if it's "1st + Chytil" or "1st + B tier prospect/player"…..

 

[nbwingsfan]

That’s exactly what he went for way to deflect though

Nopeeee three way trades exist big fella.

I can’t wait for this trade to finally go through and watch Nucks fans riot in the street if they’re expecting an Eichel type return

 

[Canadian Canuck]

& like how Toronto basically bid against themselves right? Stop saying teans overpayment, or teams paying for players lead to championships because it's absolutely not true! Unless you have what Tampa bay does, it doesn't happen. Hall of fame players @ G, Stamkos, and Kuch, etc..

It happens every damn year man stop denying it

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Nopeeee three way trades exist big fella.

I can’t wait for this trade to finally go through and watch Nucks fans riot in the street if they’re expecting an Eichel type return

Lol that’s cute

 

[zcaptain]

Posted 4 hours ago
Here are all the ranked Right Hand Dman + Our Own Jack Rathbone for context

The Hockey Writers Jan. 11, 2022 Mid season Top 100 players not in the NHL (Drafted)

Helge Grans............................90 RHD 19 years old 6'3" 206 2020 2nd round 35OA LA Kings
Justin Barrons.........................81 RHD 20 years old 6'2" 195 2020 1st round 25OA Colorado
Victor Soderstrom...................71 RHD 20 years old 6'0" 182 2019 1st round 11 OA Arizona
Jacob Docker-Bernard............66 RHD 21 years old 6'0" 187 2018 1st round 26 OA Ottawa
Jack Rathbone................60 LHD 22 years old 5'11" 190 2017 4th round 95 OA Vancouver
Calen Addison.........................45 RHD 21 years old 5'10" 178 2018 2nd round 53 OA Minnesota
Braden Schneider....................41 RHD 19 years old 6'2" 202 2020 1st round 19 OA NYRangers
Brandt Clarke...........................13 RHD 18 years old 6'2" 185 2021 1st round 8 OA LA Kings

Here is Drive4Five October, 2021 Preseason Rankings Top 100 players not in the NHL (Drafted)

Brock Faber..............................89 RHD 19 years old 6'0" 190 2020 2nd round 45 LA Kings
Josh Brook...............................81 RHD 22 years old 6'2" 185 2017 2nd round 56 Montreal
Justin Barrons..........................75
Braden Schneider.....................69
Jacob Docker-Bernard............. 66
Jack Rathbone........................64
Nill Lundkvist............................62 RHD 21 years old 5'11" 187 2018 1st round 28 NY Rangers
Caden Addison.........................52
Victor Soderstrom.....................48
Brandt Clarke............................42
Jamie Drysdale.........................12 RHD 19 years old 5'11'' 175 2020 1st round 6 Anaheim
Moritz Seider ..............................5 RHD 20 years old 6'3" 208 2019 1st round 6 Detroit

 

[heisenbergsitti]

It happens every damn year man stop denying it

No it doesn't. Blatantly lie! Teams don't trade for rentals then win championships.

 

[DeltaSwede]

No it doesn't. Blatantly lie! Teams don't trade for rentals then win championships.

Teams trade for rentals every single year. You will feel very lonely making statements like that.

 

[heisenbergsitti]

Teams trade for rentals every single year. You will feel very lonely making statements like that.

He said teams that do win championships which is flat out false

 

[jackjohnson]

Just because other teams overpay and were dumb mean the stupidity continues. Bill Guerin wanted nick foligno bad but pulled out after price went to 2nd round pick. To think teams like Minnesota will give up 1 of matt boldy or Rossi and multiple 1st round picks is a fantasy and Canucks fans, the ones asking monster package are in for a bad awakening

The market is hot for Miller so I dont see any disappointments, sorry to burst your bubble if you think Miller is only worth a 3rd round pick. Canucks arent in the charity business