Speculation: OFFICIAL JASON ROBERTSON CONTRACT PREDICTION THREAD

[redbeardtx]

I wonder if they're thinking of doing a 1 year deal to get through the cap crunch, and then massive extension afterwards. It'd potentially be risky as hell, but it might be the only way to keep Robo and get through Seguin's huge deal without trading any huge pieces. Obviously there would have to be a handshake deal in place, and I'm still hoping we keep him, but if we do trade him the return better be f***ing massive.

 

[Dallasman]

OTTER...ISN'T...BEING..TRADED.

 

[eartotheground]

OTTER...ISN'T...BEING..TRADED.

idk why teams insist that goalies aren't voodoo. there's a few that aren't, but otter ain't one of em

 

[Kipper 17]

I wonder if they're thinking of doing a 1 year deal to get through the cap crunch, and then massive extension afterwards. It'd potentially be risky as hell, but it might be the only way to keep Robo and get through Seguin's huge deal without trading any huge pieces. Obviously there would have to be a handshake deal in place, and I'm still hoping we keep him, but if we do trade him the return better be f***ing massive.

I don't mind the idea in theory but damn that is risky. I'd be nervous up until the moment they signed him to the multiyear deal.

It does feel stupid to trade him just to get through one year of cap crunch, unless the package is just what we need. Yes, I am aware I just posted that I want him to be traded purely for entertainment value. I will probably change my mind again tomorrow.

 

[M88K]

idk why teams insist that goalies aren't voodoo. there's a few that aren't, but otter ain't one of em

the sub .900% 8.25m goalie signed for the next 100 years is probably unmovable anyway

 

[Dallasman]

the sub .900% 8.25m goalie signed for the next 100 years is probably unmovable anyway

.910 save percentage in his career
Igor is a .917
Same with Andrei Vasilevsky

Otter had an off year for his save %. If he falters again then you can talk about moving him. He's a top NHL goalie.

Recency bias isn't how you run a team.

 

[M88K]

.910 save percentage in his career
Igor is a .917
Same with Andrei Vasilevsky

Otter had an off year for his save %. If he falters again then you can talk about moving him. He's a top NHL goalie.

Recency bias isn't how you run a team.

Wait until his NMC kicks in and he gets to control his destination? Nah.
The guy has 1 top 10 finish in S% his career (reg season) and that was 4yrs ago.
His PO career outside of the Calgary series where the myth of him as an elite goalie was built is a lot of Meh.
At his absolute best, sure he's a top NHL goalie, but that is so few and far between, he's firmly in Average to maybe Above average.

The thing that makes "top" goalies, top goalies, is consistency, and he doesn't have it, and it's not like he's in his 2nd year in the league and still finding his game he's 27, been in the league for 6yrs he is what he is. Maybe at 5m a year you take a chance it's a fluke and not a continuing trend but he's paid like he's elite, and he's not and never has been and now we're looking down the barrel of a NMC for a guy who's play looked like dogshit 90% of the year, and play seems to be getting worse.

Everyone is worried about the potential Robo contract being the new Seguin/Benn handicap, but it's Oettinger. the one coach we had who called him out for it was promptly fired to, because poor little Jake got his feelings hurt.

 

[LT]

The idea of moving Harley is just as asinine as the idea of moving Oettinger.

Why on earth do some of you want to trade core pieces?

 

[M88K]

The idea of moving Harley is just as asinine as the idea of moving Oettinger.

Why on earth do some of you want to trade core pieces?

Don't view the Achilles heel in net as a core piece personally, view him as the hole in the bottom of the boat that is causing it to sink.

Put another way, I don't think we win a cup with Oettinger in net.
Guy can't outperform Skinner and made the Wild look like a competent team.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Move Bush, Faksa, Myers and Steel and then reisgn Robo and Bourque and lets go baby!

 

[Sports2]

The idea of moving Harley is just as asinine as the idea of moving Oettinger.

Why on earth do some of you want to trade core pieces?

Because I’m bored? Because this is all made up? I don’t know.

What makes a core piece a core piece? It’s just a word. Moving Robertson seems like a forgone conclusion despite proving himself the most capable of playoff success among the three, which admittedly is a low bar- not to mention regular season performance. Am I allowed to want to keep Robertson at the expense of lesser performing players with large contracts?

When can we anticipate the “didn’t move our core pieces (ignore robertson)” banner ceremony?

 

[M88K]

Because I’m bored? Because this is all made up? I don’t know.

What makes a core piece a core piece? It’s just a word. Moving Robertson seems like a forgone conclusion despite proving himself the most capable of playoff success among the three, which admittedly is a low bar- not to mention regular season performance. Am I allowed to want to keep Robertson at the expense of lesser performing players with large contracts?

When can we anticipate the “didn’t move our core pieces (ignore robertson)” banner ceremony?

What are we Nashville now?

 

[Dallasman]

Don't view the Achilles heel in net as a core piece personally, view him as the hole in the bottom of the boat that is causing it to sink.

Put another way, I don't think we win a cup with Oettinger in net.
Guy can't outperform Skinner and made the Wild look like a competent team.

Skinner did that to everyone the last few playoff runs for the Oilers.

And we couldn't score. Not all on Otter.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Majority of time, your goalie is only as good as his team in front of him. We sucked at even strength against the wild, and we got outplayed both times against Edmonton.

I missed some of the Wild series, but I always felt the Wild played like they wanted to win and we were just happy to be there. Don't think it mattered who we had in net that series with the way we played 5 vs 5.

Otter is a top 10 goalie imo

 

[redbeardtx]

I don't mind the idea in theory but damn that is risky. I'd be nervous up until the moment they signed him to the multiyear deal.

It does feel stupid to trade him just to get through one year of cap crunch, unless the package is just what we need. Yes, I am aware I just posted that I want him to be traded purely for entertainment value. I will probably change my mind again tomorrow.

Oh it's definitely risky as f***. But if it works out... Could be a game changer.

I doubt they do that, but I don't think anyone has really considered it yet (probably because it's crazy lol), but it is absolutely a nuclear all-in-yolo option

 

[Sports2]

If Harley signed for a friendlier contract he would have a longer leash. If Oettinger played better before his NMC kicked in he would be less risky to commit to. Simple as. Go look at the contracts the guys in Florida have been signing. If they want to stay and win a cup, they can sign friendlier deals. If not, they can make their money elsewhere.

 

[dalness]

Skinner did that to everyone the last few playoff runs for the Oilers.

And we couldn't score. Not all on Otter.

Otter was the second worst goalie in the playoffs. He makes more than like 95% of them. Thats just bad. Trading him and getting a nice return/cap space/better pieces and putting in an average goalie would prolly help the team way more.

Unfortunately Jim Nill ain’t got the cojones to do it. I mean honestly who would TRULY rather have Otter over Robo if push came to shove? Thats what we’re talking about here.

I don’t get what is with these kid gloves when it comes to Otter. Can’t criticize his play, can’t pull him, can’t talk about trading him. He’s paid like a top 5 goalie and his stats say he’s average. Play like a top 5 goalie or get the f*** out.

 

[M88K]

Majority of time, your goalie is only as good as his team in front of him. We sucked at even strength against the wild, and we got outplayed both times against Edmonton.

I missed some of the Wild series, but I always felt the Wild played like they wanted to win and we were just happy to be there. Don't think it mattered who we had in net that series with the way we played 5 vs 5.

Otter is a top 10 goalie imo

Literally 1 time in his entire career.

He's about 15-20 statistically, and he's always had a good team in front of him. Him in say Chicago, bottom 10 goalie

 

[M88K]

Otter was the second worst goalie in the playoffs. He makes more than like 95% of them. Thats just bad. Trading him and getting a nice return/cap space/better pieces and putting in an average goalie would prolly help the team way more.

Unfortunately Jim Nill ain’t got the cojones to do it. I mean honestly who would TRULY rather have Otter over Robo if push came to shove? Thats what we’re talking about here.

I don’t get what is with these kid gloves when it comes to Otter. Can’t criticize his play, can’t pull him, can’t talk about trading him. He’s paid like a top 5 goalie and his stats say he’s average. Play like a top 5 goalie or get the f*** out.

 

[Troy McClure]

Literally 1 time in his entire career.

He's about 15-20 statistically, and he's always had a good team in front of him. Him in say Chicago, bottom 10 goalie

This is taking it way too far. He's has three good playoff runs and two bad ones.

He plays a heavy workload and usually delivers above average (but not special) results. Yes, he's overpaid, but he's not bad. He's also not the guy Stars media tries to sell, and I think that creates frustration leading to people going too far the other way complaining about him.*

I'll cut and paste what I looked up after the Stars got eliminated. (I haven't gone to adjust his ranking for the full playoffs)

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Here's where Oettinger has ranked in playoff performances.

25-26 20th with a -3.1 goals saved above expected - Bad
24-25 5th with a 4.7 goals saved above expected - good
23-24 3rd with a 7.3 goals saved above expected - really good
22-23 28th with a -8.9 goals saved above expected - really bad
21-22 3rd with a 10.1 goals saved above expected - awesome

The 21-22 season was the series against the Flames where he put up some insane numbers.


* I know this because I recognize I'm very guilty of it when griping about how the Stars talk up Miro.

 

[dalness]

The funniest part about the Calgary series is how much it gets put in the Otter is good conversation like we won the series after his crazy performance. He couldn’t even win us the series .

 

[M88K]

The funniest part about the Calgary series is how much it gets put in the Otter is good conversation like we won the series after his crazy performance. He couldn’t even win us the series .

Well Hintz being out for game 7 (typical) probably didn't help either

 

[Magic Mittens]

Literally 1 time in his entire career.

He's about 15-20 statistically, and he's always had a good team in front of him. Him in say Chicago, bottom 10 goalie

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but I believe we were one of the worst teams with giving up high danger shots last season.

Regardless, I have no problem with him. My biggest areas of concern for this team is better depth and more physicality, not goaltending

 

[M88K]

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but I believe we were one of the worst teams with giving up high danger shots last season.

Regardless, I have no problem with him. My biggest areas of concern for this team is better depth and more physicality, not goaltending

You'd be wrong in that belief, we were 5th best at all strengths. 5th best at Even strength,

Oetter sucked. Plain and simple. There's no reason to sugarcoat it.

 

[Magic Mittens]

You'd be wrong in that belief, we were 5th best at all strengths. 5th best at Even strength,
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Oetter sucked. Plain and simple. There's no reason to sugarcoat it.

Crazy, I swear I heard it the other way.

I still have no issues with Otter. Improve the teams overall depth, physicality and 5 vs 5 play and his number will look better. We relied too much on our PP last year and got out played 5 vs 5